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11-05-2009, 06:18 PM
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AKA the Stortini Poker?
I'm sure O'Brien could have used that against New York the other night.

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11-05-2009, 07:10 PM
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I'm sure O'Brien could have used that against New York the other night.
The Avery Poker has a much longer shaft - more reach for nailing a player on the opposing bench.

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11-06-2009, 11:32 AM
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According to Jason Botchford on Canucks Chat this morning:

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Nov. 20 is the target for Daniel sedin right now

That would be a Friday game against the Av's at GM Place. The Canucks have a six day break before that game - they play their previous against the Av's in Denver on 14 November. Weird schedule.

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11-06-2009, 11:45 AM
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According to Jason Botchford on Canucks Chat this morning:

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Nov. 20 is the target for Daniel sedin right now

That would be a Friday game against the Av's at GM Place. The Canucks have a six day break before that game - they play their previous against the Av's in Denver on 14 November. Weird schedule.
no wonder your post count is climbing so fast, you post the same information twice (that i know of). So really you only have 7,000 "unique" posts - just kidding, thanks for the update.

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11-08-2009, 02:26 PM
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Looks like we'll be icing an actual NHL lineup soon enough. Sedin, Bernier, and Hansen were all practicing with the team. Sedin will probably in the lineup on Tuesday and Hansen and Bernier could be available.

Luongo, who was also suppose to return on Tuesday did not practice due what could be the flu.

http://communities.canada.com/thepro...-with-flu.aspx


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11-16-2009, 12:42 AM
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Any word on Demitra? It says early February on the chart, although I was under the impression that he was not going to play at all this season.

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11-16-2009, 01:03 AM
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Any word on Demitra? It says early February on the chart, although I was under the impression that he was not going to play at all this season.
Gillis has stated that he fully expects Demitra to return this season....when exactly he will return is still too early to tell (January/February is a rough estimate at this point).

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11-16-2009, 02:08 PM
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Daniel, Salo and Rypien not on the ice today at practise.
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/A...128/story.html

The good news is that the next game is not until Friday against the Avs.

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11-16-2009, 07:00 PM
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Daniel, Salo and Rypien not on the ice today at practise.
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/A...128/story.html

The good news is that the next game is not until Friday against the Avs.
Just to clarify, Kristin Reid reported that Salo was given the day off to deal with a personal issue and Rypien was the the one with the maintenance day.

Whenever the soreness of Daniel's foot goes away and he can get in some team practice is when he can get back in the lineup - Friday is still a possible return date.

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11-18-2009, 04:23 PM
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Dan Murphy on Demitra:
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No info on Demitra, gillis and coach wouldnt comment 2 days ago. I did see him at the rink yesterday in workout gear.
http://twitter.com/sportsnetmurph/status/5834762997

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11-19-2009, 05:22 PM
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Anyone have the latest on Grabner's progress?

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11-19-2009, 05:35 PM
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so if Demitra comes back, is his cap hit still 4 mill or is it pro-rated in the same way picking up guys at the deadline is

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11-19-2009, 10:45 PM
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so if Demitra comes back, is his cap hit still 4 mill or is it pro-rated in the same way picking up guys at the deadline is
There are no cap savings for injuries.

The Canucks are paying Demitra's salary and it is charged against the cap. Same as the salary of any player or players who replace him subject to the overage allowed by the LTIR rule.

If paying a replacement would put the Canucks over the cap then they can exceed the cap by the amount of Demitra's salary.
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Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary (even if such salary would result in the club's team salary exceeding the upper limit). The "replacement salary" will not count against the club's upper limit but will count against the League-wide players' share. Upon return of the injured player, the team must come into immediate compliance with the requirements of the payroll range.
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11-20-2009, 12:26 AM
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There are no cap savings for injuries.

The Canucks are paying Demitra's salary and it is charged against the cap. Same as the salary of any player or players who replace him subject to the overage allowed by the LTIR rule.

If paying a replacement would put the Canucks over the cap then they can exceed the cap by the amount of Demitra's salary.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26366
I hate when people bring this up. I mean yeah sure, your accountant is going to have to know that. But for all intents and purposes for fans we 'save salary cap space'.

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11-20-2009, 02:27 AM
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I hate when people bring this up. I mean yeah sure, your accountant is going to have to know that. But for all intents and purposes for fans we 'save salary cap space'.
No you never save cap space.

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11-20-2009, 02:37 AM
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No you never save cap space.
Oh good god. You know exactly what he means. How many times has this been hashed over?

Essentially, as long as he's out, we can use (up to) his $4 Million on replacement(s). As soon as he's back, we can no longer exceed the cap, and will need to be compliant.

If I understand the question above, there is no pro-rated saving, because (as Wetcoaster is overwhelmingly fond of pointing out) there is no saving, technically we just get a sort of cushion, in a use it or lose it kind of way.

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11-20-2009, 02:42 AM
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Oh good god. You know exactly what he means. How many times has this been hashed over?

Essentially, as long as he's out, we can use (up to) his $4 Million on replacement(s). As soon as he's back, we can no longer exceed the cap, and will need to be compliant.

If I understand the question above, there is no pro-rated saving, because (as Wetcoaster is overwhelmingly fond of pointing out) there is no saving, technically we just get a sort of cushion, in a use it or lose it kind of way.
Many times and many still do not understand.

As soon as you start talking about "saving cap space" you fall into a numerous errors in how the cap works.

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11-20-2009, 02:45 AM
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Here is a report on man games lost to injury - the Canucks lead the way:
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The Canucks have spent the first quarter of the season playing with one arm in a sling, and a foot in a walking cast.

They have already lost 109 man games to injury. That's more than half of what they lost all of last year (202) and more than double the NHL average (47).

Compare it to the New York Rangers who have lost 21, or the Calgary Flames, who have lost 15, or the Tampa Bay Lightning who've lost just eight.

Even teams which have been hit hard by injuries don't come close. The Detroit Red Wings have lost 52 man games to injuries, the Carolina Hurricanes 58 and the Pittsburgh Penguins 73.

The only team approaching Vancouver's games-missed woes is the Oilers at 105.

They needed to get hit by a pandemic flu virus to get numbers that high.
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Ca...357/story.html

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11-20-2009, 01:37 PM
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Anyone have the latest on Grabner's progress?
I just asked Botchford on Twitter. His response:

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BotchonCanucks @timothyrobin There's a while to go for Grabner. He's probably 3 weeks away

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11-22-2009, 03:16 AM
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Just thought I'd post this on here but here's what I've got in terms of man games missed so far this season (correct me if I'm wrong):

After 22 games I've got the Canucks at 113 man games lost due to injury.

Here's the list:

Demitra - 22 games
Hansen - 19 games
D.Sedin - 18 games
M.Schneider - 10 games
Bolduc - 9 games
Grabner - 8 games
Salo - 7 games
Luongo - 6 games
Rypien - 4 games
Johnson - 4 games
Wellwood - 4 games
Bernier - 2 games

Total = 113 games

Out of those 113 man games missed due to injury only 17 games (Grabner and Bolduc) were from players that wouldn't be in the lineup if everyone was healthy.

A lot of times it's not just about how many man games you've lost but the impact of the players that you have lost. The key losses for the Canucks have been Demitra (2nd line player), D.Sedin (top line player) and Luongo (top goalie).

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11-22-2009, 01:16 PM
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With Daniel back tonight (aside from Demitra and Grabner who weren't here opening night anyway) we're actually...Healthy?

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11-22-2009, 02:05 PM
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With Daniel back tonight (aside from Demitra and Grabner who weren't here opening night anyway) we're actually...Healthy?
Yep. I'd count a Demitra-less line-up as a healthy line-up still.

Grabner and Bolduc are Moose injuries.

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11-22-2009, 02:13 PM
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Yep. I'd count a Demitra-less line-up as a healthy line-up still.

Grabner and Bolduc are Moose injuries.
According to capgeek.com the salaries for Grabner and Bolduc continue to run against the Canucks Upper Limit.

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11-22-2009, 02:31 PM
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I think it's fair to say Grabner is a Canucks injury, especially with Demo out for so long. I hope he goes right back with Kesler and Raymond when he gets back.

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11-22-2009, 03:12 PM
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I think it's fair to say Grabner is a Canucks injury, especially with Demo out for so long. I hope he goes right back with Kesler and Raymond when he gets back.
Nope. The Canucks would have to clear roster room to fit him in - and he was only brought up to replace D Sedin (after they tried Desbiens for one game).

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