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09-09-2009, 09:00 PM
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Im going to have a heart attack.

I pray to god this is true.

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09-09-2009, 09:02 PM
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OMG, OMG! I would trade any asset on the Toronto Maple Leafs, besides Luke Schenn obviously, for Phill Kessel! Wow! Praying that this is true!
Don't get you're hopes up,You're only setting yourself up for a major disappointment.

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09-09-2009, 09:07 PM
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OMG, OMG! I would trade any asset on the Toronto Maple Leafs, besides Luke Schenn obviously, for Phill Kessel! Wow! Praying that this is true!
I doubt Schenn moves, but I wouldn't be surprised to see names like Tlusty, Kadri, Stalberg and/or Bozak move.

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09-09-2009, 09:12 PM
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I'm not sure you'd see Hanson or Bozak moving, wouldn't send much of a message to future free agent hopefuls.

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09-09-2009, 09:13 PM
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I'm not sure you'd see Hanson or Bozak moving, wouldn't send much of a message to future free agent hopefuls.
Agreed. I do think that Tlusty would be gone though, and that hurts a bit.

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09-09-2009, 09:15 PM
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Agreed. I do think that Tlusty would be gone though, and that hurts a bit.
If it is, I just hope its Tlusty or the 1st rounder, not both.

For me, the ones that would sting would be

Stalberg
Kadri
Blacker

I could live with any other players moving quite well.

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09-09-2009, 09:18 PM
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Thats what I am hoping as well. Something like Tlusty, second, MVR/White wouldn't bother me too much.

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09-09-2009, 09:25 PM
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if the offer sheet would be 1st 2nd 3rd

I would imagine the deal would be

1st White 3rd

or 1st 2nd Stajan

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09-09-2009, 09:25 PM
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Please keep Kadri

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09-09-2009, 09:32 PM
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Tlustly, White and 2nd seems fair to me

Just keep Kadri, Stalberg, Kulemin and Bozak.

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09-09-2009, 09:34 PM
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Tlustly, White and 2nd seems fair to me

Just keep Kadri, Stalberg, Kulemin and Bozak.
wouldn't they rather have a 1st instead of Tlusty?

I think it's more fair adding the 1st

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09-09-2009, 09:35 PM
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Like I posted on the trade rumour thread I think Boston might be more interested in:

White, Stefanovich, 1st.

White fits under their cap, and Stefanovich is a recently drafted talent that us Leafs fans have been pretty excited about.

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09-09-2009, 09:40 PM
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personally i would rather give up a first rounder rather than tlusty...he needs to show his play in the nhl after the great season in the ahl...last time the leafs gave up a first round pick player who couldnt score, was brad boyes and we know how he turned out

as a rebuilding team, it would be more beneficial to keep the player who you have developed for the past 4 years (drafted in 2006, same as kessel), rather than drafting a player, likely middle of the pack first rounder, who will probably be 2-3 years away


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09-09-2009, 09:41 PM
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yup. i'd rather give up our 1st than give up tlusty.

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09-09-2009, 09:43 PM
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This.

I think anything within a 3-4 year deal at 4-5M per season, Boston will definitely make serious attempts at matching.

To me this will unravel in one of three ways, should the Leafs do acquire him.

Scenerio #1:

Burke throws down a 3 year deal worth somewhere in the area of 5.5-6M per year, likely out of Boston's range and still keeps him a RFA when the contract expires.

Scenerio #2:

Burke throws a career-spanning contract at Kessel. Doubt this, he's not Mike Richards, or Sidney Crosby, seems slightly delicate. Probably not the kind of guy you want locked up forever (think DiPietro, just in case)

Scenerio #3:

A trade is made, but Toronto pays a relatively steep price. Think 1st, 2nd + one of your better prospects. Burke & Chiarelli can be swapping wifes for all we know, thats how close they could be.. Fact remains, Toronto & Boston are inter-division rivals and Kessel could turn out to be a 40 goal scorer, there is no way Chiarelli let's Burke have him without getting a decent return. It makes much more sense for him to trade him out of division and preferably out of conference.
scenerio 2 wouldnt work unless toronto wants to give up a few 1st rounders. In figuring compensation of offer sheets the maximim amount of years that can be considered is 5. so if the gave him a 8 yr contract at 4 per the compensation woud be 32 mill / 5 years or ~6.5 million dollars which equates to a few 1st rounders.. I'd go for that from bostons perspective.

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09-09-2009, 09:48 PM
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According to a member who frequents the Bruins board, his sources have told him that Toronto and Boston have completed a deal for Kessel, and that the deal is pending on whether or not Burke can get Kessel signed. When I read his post I didn't believe it, but the members over there seem to believe him and consider him very credible.

Take it for what it's worth, but that's certainly interesting.
same guy also said justin pogge could be a piece going back to the bruins...yes, the same justin pogge that was traded to the ducks weeks ago.


i wont hold my breath.

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09-09-2009, 09:50 PM
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same guy also said justin pogge could be a piece going back to the bruins...yes, the same justin pogge that was traded to the ducks weeks ago.


i wont hold my breath.
I didn't know you needed knowledge on the premium on other teams prospects to work in the industry. The more you know.

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09-09-2009, 09:52 PM
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same guy also said justin pogge could be a piece going back to the bruins...yes, the same justin pogge that was traded to the ducks weeks ago.


i wont hold my breath.
u should read thru the posts first...he was asked what the compensation would be and he said he doesnt know...it was pure speculation on his part, also i'm not saying whether hes right or not on the deal being done

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09-09-2009, 09:53 PM
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Wow good find if true, nothing out there on the news wires.

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09-09-2009, 09:57 PM
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personally i would rather give up a first rounder rather than tlusty...he needs to show his play in the nhl after the great season in the ahl...last time the leafs gave up a first round pick player who couldnt score, was brad boyes and we know how he turned out

as a rebuilding team, it would be more beneficial to keep the player who you have developed for the past 4 years (drafted in 2006, same as kessel), rather than drafting a player, likely middle of the pack first rounder, who will probably be 2-3 years away
I'm torn on whether I'd rather give up Tlusty or our first. I could see Tlusty turning into a very good NHLer and I could see him flopping. His NHL numbers are very good, but his playoff performances scare me a little. Seems to have fallen off in his AHL playoffs from the games I've seen.

As for Boyes, not sure how he ties in at all. He didn't have trouble scoring, neither had Tlusty. Not sure where you were going with that point.

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09-09-2009, 10:04 PM
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I honestly don't want Kulemin/Tlusty AND a first gone for Kessel, as good as he may be.

[I thought of Brad Boyes too; It's probably going to come back and bite us in the butt like Boyes, with our luck. Except Kessel isn't 35 or something like Nolan. ]

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09-09-2009, 10:07 PM
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I didn't know you needed knowledge on the premium on other teams prospects to work in the industry. The more you know.

how about this, if it turns out that this dude on hfboards is the one to break a kessel to toronto trade, ill buy you a steak.

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I'm torn on whether I'd rather give up Tlusty or our first. I could see Tlusty turning into a very good NHLer and I could see him flopping. His NHL numbers are very good, but his playoff performances scare me a little. Seems to have fallen off in his AHL playoffs from the games I've seen.

As for Boyes, not sure how he ties in at all. He didn't have trouble scoring, neither had Tlusty. Not sure where you were going with that point.
it was more in terms of giving tlusty a long run in the nhl post his ahl play, rather than trade him, like boyes, who ended up succeeding somewhere else

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A first round pick takes time to develop.

Tlusty has had time to develop, so it comes down to seeing what he's capable of now.

Trade him instead of a first round pick and we defer the value the franchise has by the years it took for him to develop.

Also, no chance I'm paying any attention to this Bruins Forum member information. As far as I'm concerned nothing's going until I see a reputable source.

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09-09-2009, 10:11 PM
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it was more in terms of giving tlusty a long run in the nhl post his ahl play, rather than trade him, like boyes, who ended up succeeding somewhere else
It was the "Couldn't score" comment that really threw me off.

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