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09-09-2009, 09:30 PM
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This is all a bunch of hooey

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When was the last time in the NHL there was a 3 way trade? Just wondering


the last time the sens had to ship out a high profile player, it was also a 3-way trade with the sharks. Hopefully this one turns out better for the sens.

also, that's way too many emoticons for one post. WAY too many.

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Honestly, I wouldn't give up Josefson for Marleau, even if he wasn't an UFA next year. Call me crazy but I like Josefson better...

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by next week, every team in the league will be the third team.

Sens, Sharks, and Omsk.... possible trade?

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Honestly, I wouldn't give up Josefson for Marleau, even if he wasn't an UFA next year. Call me crazy but I like Josefson better...
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Honestly, I wouldn't give up Josefson for Marleau, even if he wasn't an UFA next year. Call me crazy but I like Josefson better...
dude I wouldn't give up Clarkson for Marleau lol

I've never liked Marleau and I hope he isn't coming are way, he's still a good player though

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Right now I suppose it looks crazy, but in four years when he is playing - and tearing the league up - with Mattias Tedenby, it won't be crazy at all.

Marleau helps our needs immediately, but at the same time he hasn't helped San Jose win a cup. He won't help us. So why hinder one of our bright glimmers of hope for something that is likely a temporary (season) fix?

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09-10-2009, 12:38 AM
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Right now I suppose it looks crazy, but in four years when he is playing - and tearing the league up - with Mattias Tedenby, it won't be crazy at all.

Marleau helps our needs immediately, but at the same time he hasn't helped San Jose win a cup. He won't help us. So why hinder one of our bright glimmers of hope for something that is likely a temporary (season) fix?
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Would you give up Josefson for a clone of Patrik Elias? That's pretty much what you'd be doing by acquiring Marleau.

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It doesn't matter, no one on the East Coast, or really outside of Silicon Valley, pays attention to the Sharks. Marleau is a premier 2 way forward, and we will keep him.

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It doesn't matter, no one on the East Coast, or really outside of Silicon Valley, pays attention to the Sharks. Marleau is a premier 2 way forward, and we will keep him.
Well, and it isn't like they just invite anyone to the Team Canada Olympic camp ... just sayin'.

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people who value josefson over Marleau sound out of touch with the realities of reality.

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09-10-2009, 02:20 AM
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Such a bad idea.

Trading Marleau would be the dumbest thing this team has done so far, especially for Heatley. What a gigantic step in the wrong direction.
Coming from a San Jose fan

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Marleau has played behind Thornton for a few years, which hasn't got you anywhere in the playoffs. If Marleau came here the centre depth would be nowhere near as good.

Not to mention San Jose's superior defensive depth (were also losing Colin White in this craptastic scenario) over the last few years. Marleau does not make NJ a contender, so I see no need to give up the organisations top prospect for one year of Patrick Marleau.

Who by the way couldn't hold Patrik Elias' jockstrap, for whoever came up with that comparison.

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people who value josefson over Marleau sound out of touch with the realities of reality.
People who don't understand why we value Josefson so highly are being, as Michael Jackson would say, ignorant.

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09-10-2009, 04:17 AM
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Elias
2009- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2008- 55 points in 74 games (61 point pace)
2007- 69 points in 75 games (75 point pace)
2006- 45 points in 38 games (97 point pace)
2004- 81 points in 82 games (81 point pace)
Note: also had a 96 point year 10 years ago

33 years old; 295 Goals, 411 assists 706 points in 822 games.

Three spectacular playoffs (23 points, 20 points, and 16 points in 9 games) and three solid ones (6 points in 5 games, 10 points in 10 games, 13 points in 24 games). Dude performs in the playoffs.

Marleau
2009- 71 points in 75 games (76 point pace)
2008- 48 points in 78 games (50 point pace)
2007- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2006- 86 points in 82 games (86 point pace)
2004- 57 points in 80 games (58 point pace)

3 good playoffs (11 points in 12 games, 12 points in 17 games, 14 in 11 games) and a couple okay ones. He failed to hit .5ppg, but has met that mark every year since he was 23. His point totals haven't been great, but his playoff goal totals are among the tops in the league since the year before the lockout.

He is also about 3.5 years younger than Elias.

So I will give you Elias has had better point totals in the playoffs, but Marleau is pretty close in the regular season. However, Marleau is a more complete player, as evidenced by him being 10th in Selke voting (right behind two Devils but Elias was well below at 40th).

Your belief that Marleau couldn't hold Elias' jock is not only hyperbole but blatant ignorance. Marleau would give New Jersey a top 5 forward core, and he an Elias would be a perfect fit (don't know about Rolston though).

What a joke of a post Brit.

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Patrik Elias is a complete winger. He is a far, far superior player to Patrick Marleau.

Call me all the names under the sun, I don't really care. My point is that Marleau does not give NJ a "top 5 offence", neither does he make NJ a cup contender (especially at the expense of a solid top 4 defenceman, defence being our real weakness).

The true need for my favourite franchise is a 1st pairing defenceman. Another offensive piece would be a luxury, not a necessity.

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Patrick Marleau is nowhere near Patrik Elias' level. Elias is the playoff scoring leader in the NHL since 2000, he's just a clutch player. A winner. He's also scored the most OT goals in regular season history.

And no, I wouldn't give up Josefson for Marleau and neither would Lou, I'm positive of tat. Josefson is 18 years old and is already becoming one of the best players in the SEL. In a couple of years he'll probably become a dominating force in the NHL.

Marleau would probably only be on a one-year top in New Jersey before bolting as a UFA. He wouldn't be worth the price.

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Elias
2009- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2008- 55 points in 74 games (61 point pace)
2007- 69 points in 75 games (75 point pace)
2006- 45 points in 38 games (97 point pace)
2004- 81 points in 82 games (81 point pace)
Note: also had a 96 point year 10 years ago

33 years old; 295 Goals, 411 assists 706 points in 822 games.

Three spectacular playoffs (23 points, 20 points, and 16 points in 9 games) and three solid ones (6 points in 5 games, 10 points in 10 games, 13 points in 24 games). Dude performs in the playoffs.

Marleau
2009- 71 points in 75 games (76 point pace)
2008- 48 points in 78 games (50 point pace)
2007- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2006- 86 points in 82 games (86 point pace)
2004- 57 points in 80 games (58 point pace)

3 good playoffs (11 points in 12 games, 12 points in 17 games, 14 in 11 games) and a couple okay ones. He failed to hit .5ppg, but has met that mark every year since he was 23. His point totals haven't been great, but his playoff goal totals are among the tops in the league since the year before the lockout.

He is also about 3.5 years younger than Elias.

So I will give you Elias has had better point totals in the playoffs, but Marleau is pretty close in the regular season. However, Marleau is a more complete player, as evidenced by him being 10th in Selke voting (right behind two Devils but Elias was well below at 40th).

Your belief that Marleau couldn't hold Elias' jock is not only hyperbole but blatant ignorance. Marleau would give New Jersey a top 5 forward core, and he an Elias would be a perfect fit (don't know about Rolston though).

What a joke of a post Brit.
So you would trade Logan Couture and a 1st round pick for one year of Patrik Elias?

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Elias
2009- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2008- 55 points in 74 games (61 point pace)
2007- 69 points in 75 games (75 point pace)
2006- 45 points in 38 games (97 point pace)
2004- 81 points in 82 games (81 point pace)
Note: also had a 96 point year 10 years ago

33 years old; 295 Goals, 411 assists 706 points in 822 games.

Three spectacular playoffs (23 points, 20 points, and 16 points in 9 games) and three solid ones (6 points in 5 games, 10 points in 10 games, 13 points in 24 games). Dude performs in the playoffs.

Marleau
2009- 71 points in 75 games (76 point pace)
2008- 48 points in 78 games (50 point pace)
2007- 78 points in 77 games (83 point pace)
2006- 86 points in 82 games (86 point pace)
2004- 57 points in 80 games (58 point pace)

3 good playoffs (11 points in 12 games, 12 points in 17 games, 14 in 11 games) and a couple okay ones. He failed to hit .5ppg, but has met that mark every year since he was 23. His point totals haven't been great, but his playoff goal totals are among the tops in the league since the year before the lockout.

He is also about 3.5 years younger than Elias.

So I will give you Elias has had better point totals in the playoffs, but Marleau is pretty close in the regular season. However, Marleau is a more complete player, as evidenced by him being 10th in Selke voting (right behind two Devils but Elias was well below at 40th).

Your belief that Marleau couldn't hold Elias' jock is not only hyperbole but blatant ignorance. Marleau would give New Jersey a top 5 forward core, and he an Elias would be a perfect fit (don't know about Rolston though).

What a joke of a post Brit.
This is a really curious part. It seems you have never actually watched Elias play, nor have the Selke voters.

Turnover differential:

Elias -1
Marleau -15

Blocked shots:

Marleau 23
Elias 17

Plus/minus:

Elias +18
Marleau +16

SH TOI/G

Marleau 2:33
Elias 1:52


So, Marleau blocked a few more shots, which is expected given as he's on the #1 PK unit. But even so, he was terrible when it came to turnovers. Elias on the other hand, was pretty neutral in terms of tunrovers, despite playing nearly 2 minutes of PK a game.

It should also be noted that Elias put up more points despite playing 200 minutes less than Marleau.


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I would love to see Patrik Elias next to Patrick Marleau. I believe this would be an absolute perfect fit, however, I do not see it happening.

AS for the discussion Elias vs. Marleau. I would, for no money in the world trade Elias for Marleau. I just think Elias is far better.

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Now Marleau can't hold Elias' jock? Wow. Marleau and Elias are a lot closer to even than either having a distinct advantage over the other. Now value-wise, I can see Elias having the advantage with a contract that goes beyond this year so in that regard, fine. However, as players on the ice, these two are as even as it gets and anyone saying otherwise just doesn't watch both teams enough.

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Marleau has played behind Thornton for a few years, which hasn't got you anywhere in the playoffs. If Marleau came here the centre depth would be nowhere near as good.

Not to mention San Jose's superior defensive depth (were also losing Colin White in this craptastic scenario) over the last few years. Marleau does not make NJ a contender, so I see no need to give up the organisations top prospect for one year of Patrick Marleau.

Who by the way couldn't hold Patrik Elias' jockstrap, for whoever came up with that comparison.
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Are you even capable of posting anything other than the word 'Crazy' in response to another poster's message? That's all you ever seem to do in the recent posts of yours I've seen. You don't put in any thought, you contribute nothing to the discussion. Its fine to disagree with someone, but at least back up why you disagree.

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Patrick Marleau is nowhere near Patrik Elias' level. Elias is the playoff scoring leader in the NHL since 2000, he's just a clutch player. A winner. He's also scored the most OT goals in regular season history.

And no, I wouldn't give up Josefson for Marleau and neither would Lou, I'm positive of tat. Josefson is 18 years old and is already becoming one of the best players in the SEL. In a couple of years he'll probably become a dominating force in the NHL.

Marleau would probably only be on a one-year top in New Jersey before bolting as a UFA. He wouldn't be worth the price.
15 points in 50 games is becoming one of the SEL's best players?

Lets get one thing clear, Marleau would solidify NJ's forward core. I do believe that with Marleau the Devils could potentially go deeper in the playoffs than they have since before the lockout. NJ's center depth is pitiful. After Travis Zajac our next best natural center is Rod Pelley! Marleau's combination of speed and goal scoring ability would be a joy to watch combined with Elias.

I love Elias, and Jacobson, but we can stop exaggerating the worth of our players in order to belittle the value of other teams' best players. If DW signed Marleau to a contract extention and then offered him to the Devils in exchange for Jacobson, I would do that in a heartbeat. As of right now though, the Devils can not afford to give up Jacobson with the risk of Marleau leaving in a year, I'm sure DW would understand that.

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