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09-10-2009, 12:34 PM
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I have never posted on this section of HFBoards before, but this peaked my interest. I posted this on the Leaf board, but no one believed me. Anyhow, my roomate who works in Waterloo, where the Senators rookies are staying, overheard Brian Murray tell on the phone that Heatley had been dealt, and later took the elevator with him, and asked him pointblank. Murray stated that Heatley had in fact been dealt, and there would be a media storm tomorrow. It is more than likely Murray was simply pulling my roomate's leg, but hey, thought I would share.

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09-10-2009, 12:35 PM
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Patrick Marleau is nowhere near Patrik Elias' level. Elias is the playoff scoring leader in the NHL since 2000, he's just a clutch player. A winner. He's also scored the most OT goals in regular season history.
Patrick Marleau is second in the league in playoff goals since 2002, behind only Henrik Zetterberg, and just ahead of Jarome Iginla. Just sayin'.

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Patrik Elias is a complete winger. He is a far, far superior player to Patrick Marleau.
Patrick Marleau isn't a complete player? EL OH EL

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The true need for my favourite franchise is a 1st pairing defenceman. Another offensive piece would be a luxury, not a necessity.
That actually makes sense, and is a perfectly valid reason for not wanting to acquire Marleau. I'll most certainly give you that.

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This is a really curious part. It seems you have never actually watched Elias play, nor have the Selke voters.

Turnover differential:

Elias -1
Marleau -15

Blocked shots:

Marleau 23
Elias 17

Plus/minus:

Elias +18
Marleau +16

SH TOI/G

Marleau 2:33
Elias 1:52


So, Marleau blocked a few more shots, which is expected given as he's on the #1 PK unit. But even so, he was terrible when it came to turnovers. Elias on the other hand, was pretty neutral in terms of tunrovers, despite playing nearly 2 minutes of PK a game.

It should also be noted that Elias put up more points despite playing 200 minutes less than Marleau.
Lots of numbers. Absolutely nothing said.

Simply put, there's far too many variables and outside factors to ever be able to put those statistics in the correct context and make a deduction.

Be honest here: How much have you seen Patrick Marleau play? You like to question others, but really, it's fairly obvious you're not following your own advice.

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So you would trade Logan Couture and a 1st round pick for one year of Patrik Elias?
Hell yes. I'm not irrationally in love with my team's prospects and I actually realize the value of other team's top players. I also don't have some inexplicable hard-on for winning 10 years from now over winning now.

But that's just me. Feel free to continue overvaluing your prospects and own players. Here's to a Devil's Cup in 2023!!!

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Are you even capable of posting anything other than the word 'Crazy' in response to another poster's message? That's all you ever seem to do in the recent posts of yours I've seen. You don't put in any thought, you contribute nothing to the discussion. Its fine to disagree with someone, but at least back up why you disagree.

Crazy.

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09-10-2009, 12:47 PM
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Are you even capable of posting anything other than the word 'Crazy' in response to another poster's message? That's all you ever seem to do in the recent posts of yours I've seen. You don't put in any thought, you contribute nothing to the discussion. Its fine to disagree with someone, but at least back up why you disagree.

Crazy.
Crazy

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09-10-2009, 12:48 PM
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Are you even capable of posting anything other than the word 'Crazy' in response to another poster's message? That's all you ever seem to do in the recent posts of yours I've seen. You don't put in any thought, you contribute nothing to the discussion. Its fine to disagree with someone, but at least back up why you disagree.

Crazy.
Do you even read HF boards?

He says "Sweet!" all the time.

sheesh

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Crazy
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15 points in 50 games is becoming one of the SEL's best players?

Lets get one thing clear, Marleau would solidify NJ's forward core. I do believe that with Marleau the Devils could potentially go deeper in the playoffs than they have since before the lockout. NJ's center depth is pitiful. After Travis Zajac our next best natural center is Rod Pelley! Marleau's combination of speed and goal scoring ability would be a joy to watch combined with Elias.

I love Elias, and Jacobson, but we can stop exaggerating the worth of our players in order to belittle the value of other teams' best players. If DW signed Marleau to a contract extention and then offered him to the Devils in exchange for Jacobson, I would do that in a heartbeat. As of right now though, the Devils can not afford to give up Jacobson with the risk of Marleau leaving in a year, I'm sure DW would understand that.
His name is Josefson. Which clearly shows you know nothing or probably next to nothing about Jacob.

It's one year of Marleau and trading for him does not make us a contender. We need a 1st pairing defenceman.

Lou is not going to give up the organisations top prospect, in an area you so rightfully show we are thin at.

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09-10-2009, 01:27 PM
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Do you even read HF boards?

He says "Sweet!" all the time.

sheesh
Yes, I do read HF boards. Daily.

He says "Sweet!" all the time? Well, THAT changes everything! Now saying 'Crazy' and nothing else with no backup as to his opinion is not ignorant, its BRILLIANT! Him saying 'Sweet' sometimes and 'Crazy' other times proves to me that he is nothing short of a genius.

Sheesh.

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09-10-2009, 01:39 PM
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Yes, I do read HF boards. Daily.

He says "Sweet!" all the time? Well, THAT changes everything! Now saying 'Crazy' and nothing else with no backup as to his opinion is not ignorant, its BRILLIANT! Him saying 'Sweet' sometimes and 'Crazy' other times proves to me that he is nothing short of a genius.

Sheesh.
You're taking things way to seriously

Crazy

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09-10-2009, 01:42 PM
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I'm just checking in to see whether this trade proposal has already moved beyond the merits of the trade into the name calling and accusations of homerism and of ignorance phase.

I see that it has.

Carry on!

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09-10-2009, 01:54 PM
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I'm just checking in to see whether this trade proposal has already moved beyond the merits of the trade into the name calling and accusations of homerism and of ignorance phase.

I see that it has.

Carry on!
Of course a n00b Sens fan would say that

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09-10-2009, 02:36 PM
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You're taking things way to seriously

Crazy
Au contraire, I don't care to extend this line of 'conversation' any further.

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Of course a n00b Sens fan would say that
How the hell does that particular post indicate :

1 - "n00bness"
2 - Team of allegiance

??

I'm going to be the adult here and move on from this ridiculous dialogue. You should really try that sometime.

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Au contraire, I don't care to extend this line of 'conversation' any further.



How the hell does that particular post indicate :

1 - "n00bness"
2 - Team of allegiance

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I'm going to be the adult here and move on from this ridiculous dialogue. You should really try that sometime.
A well-adjusted adult can detect humor...even without a sarcasm emote.

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Au contraire, I don't care to extend this line of 'conversation' any further.



How the hell does that particular post indicate :

1 - "n00bness"
2 - Team of allegiance

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I'm going to be the adult here and move on from this ridiculous dialogue. You should really try that sometime.
rofl.

You sir need to stay off internet message boards, you have no sarcasm detector.

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I'm going to be the adult here and move on from this ridiculous dialogue. You should really try that sometime.


Marleau is a very under-rated player by pretty much every fanbase on these boards. Oh well.

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Jacobson.

AHAHAHAHAHAH.

Damn that made me laugh.

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Come on guys. Patrick Elias > Marleau but couldnt hold his jock strap? I think its safe to say they are pretty close but once again slight edge to Patty...Elias. As for the trade of course we would give up Jacobson() for Marleau. Only not for one year of him and a high cap hit. I love marleau but we cant get him unless its for more than one year of him and for cheaper.

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Of course a n00b Sens fan would say that
You seem to have intermittent problems with your "o" key.

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Au contraire, I don't care to extend this line of 'conversation' any further.



How the hell does that particular post indicate :

1 - "n00bness"
2 - Team of allegiance

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I'm going to be the adult here and move on from this ridiculous dialogue. You should really try that sometime.
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Yes, I do read HF boards. Daily.

He says "Sweet!" all the time? Well, THAT changes everything! Now saying 'Crazy' and nothing else with no backup as to his opinion is not ignorant, its BRILLIANT! Him saying 'Sweet' sometimes and 'Crazy' other times proves to me that he is nothing short of a genius.

Sheesh.
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Are you even capable of posting anything other than the word 'Crazy' in response to another poster's message? That's all you ever seem to do in the recent posts of yours I've seen. You don't put in any thought, you contribute nothing to the discussion. Its fine to disagree with someone, but at least back up why you disagree.

Crazy.
This is some genius posting. Thank you for your contribution! Please enjoy your stay and don't step on the momewraths.

NJ fan would be saying the same thing if Marleau were in Red and Elias in Teal, just for Patty M instead of Patty E.I don't really see much of a trade to be made right now between these three teams, for all the reasons discussed ad nauseam.

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You seem to have intermittent problems with your "o" key.
I'm working on it, hopefully one day it'll go away.

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A well-adjusted adult can detect humor...even without a sarcasm emote.
I included the just in case. I guess it didn't matter.

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Come on guys. Patrick Elias > Marleau but couldnt hold his jock strap? I think its safe to say they are pretty close but once again slight edge to Patty...Elias. As for the trade of course we would give up Jacobson() for Marleau. Only not for one year of him and a high cap hit. I love marleau but we cant get him unless its for more than one year of him and for cheaper.
Hyperboles have ruined 95% of threads here.

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I'd do Josefson for Marleau in a heartbeat if Marleau's re-signing. if not, then I don't know. As noted, we have little center depth, and giving up a good center prospect, right after we traded up and drafted him, for a guy who will be our 2nd line center for a year, is hard to swallow. Marleau signs a 3-5 year extension? Then let's draft another center and hope Josefson was a bust.

Elias-Marleau-Rolston. Meeeeeeeeeeeee-ow.

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marleau wouldn't be worth the picks and prospects we would have to give. i'm not saying he isn't good but the devils need to keep all our prospects and it would take a good one (Josefson, Tedenby) to get him. no thanks.

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It's a tough call.

We tend to always side with the prospect with unlimited potential and unlimited tenure with the team, over the known veteran with a known (re: short) tenure with the team.

But how many prospects can you integrate into a team in any given year?

There's a limit to how young your team can be if you want to contend, which is where the Devils remain with Brodeur in net.

Oh well, I guess the Devils are contenders of sorts without Marleau, and by holding on to their depth, they can hopefully maintain the window as long as possible.

Still, I'd think it's tempting. Marleau would be perfect on a team that has the "team-concept" down, with no major superstars (aside from Brodeur) and everyone buying in.

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So you would trade Logan Couture and a 1st round pick for one year of Patrik Elias?
In a heartbeat- except for the cap problems it would cause. However, I would say that Elias has more value because of contract, and Couture isn't as good as Josefsson. I also agree Elias has a slight edge and the playoff points are certainly impressive, so that also gives him more value. But I mean come on, Marleau is pretty close.

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