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09-10-2009, 08:49 PM
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thanks for that...
im no sure if its accurate but i read a post in the last 15 mins sayin that this would give ottawa like 3.5 in cap room. Also from my understanding you can be slightly over it when the season starts, and then waive a few trade Smith (which they are trying to do)I might be wrong about all of this i dont actually know how much room they have
That's funny, considering he's retired.

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devils should send the offer out.
Would be a alright fit for Kessel there

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That's funny, considering he's retired.
My bad I read it in the hockey news that they were trying to trade him...must have missed the memo

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I'm almost certain Jason Smith retired last week.
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Waiting for the offer sheet is Kessel's best move if he wants top dollar. The compensation the Bruins would receive (1st, 2nd, and 3rd) is under his value as a player, so the Bruins would be tempted to match at a high price just to "preserve the asset". Thus, any team that wants to put a successful offer sheet on him is going to have to bid very high to avoid Boston matching. Probably over 4.5 million/year.

Boston is presently trying to trade Kessel for a better package of picks, players, and prospects. The upside to the team getting him in trade would be that they could sign him at a lower price, since, in a sign and trade, there would be no threat of Boston matching. This works out well for Boston and the other team, but it comes at Phil's expense. So if Kessel's agent is really shrewd, he will reject any sign and trade offer and hold out for the offer sheet.

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Kessel would probably get around $5.2-6.5


RFA COMPENSATION
$863,156 or less - None

$863,156 - $1,307,812 - 3rd round pick

$1,307,812 - $2,615,625 - 2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,437 - 1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,437 - $5,231,249 - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,249 - $6,539,062 - Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,062 or more - Four 1st round picks

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I didn't read the entire thread, has anyone mentioned that Kessel's agent has been quoted as saying this is not true?

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Kessel would probably get around $5.2-6.5


RFA COMPENSATION
$863,156 or less - None

$863,156 - $1,307,812 - 3rd round pick

$1,307,812 - $2,615,625 - 2nd round pick

$2,615,623 - $3,923,437 - 1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,437 - $5,231,249 - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,249 - $6,539,062 - Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,062 or more - Four 1st round picks
Those aren't even the right numbers and there is no way Kessel gets $6M.


$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.

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Is Kessel just as effective at center as wing? Curious if he would be a 40 goal threat from both positions.
It's been a long time since we've seen him play centre. I don't think he would be nearly as effective as a centre, he doesn't make those around him better and I'm not sure he can handle the defensive responsibilities of playing centre.

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That's just wrong, but kinda funny.

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Those aren't even the right numbers and there is no way Kessel gets $6M.
People keep posting last years numbers. It's getting frustrating. But yeah, there's no chance Kessel gets over 6M, I think over 5 would be enough to force the Bruins hand.

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Pens should trade Dupuis and Kunitz for draft picks and then offer sheet kessel. The Penguins picks will most likely be very low if not the lowest.

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Burke needs to get this guy.

I see Kessel signing for around 4.75 - 5 m deal.

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Nashville won't offer sheet Phil Kessel in a hundred years. You don't think they could have addressed their top 6 issues sooner if they wanted to? They're a hockey team in a piss poor market - they get their "stars" from the draft, and then let them walk if they won't sign reasonable deals. The last thing they're going to do is sign a 21 year old that is a NO NAME in Nashville, and lose a boatload of draft picks in the process.

Nashville operates by adding big pieces at the deadline if they think they have a competitive team that can make a lot of post-season noise. They can't afford to gamble away picks on a player that might not even make a sizeable impact on attendance or post-season success. Ditto for Atlanta.
While I agree that the idea of Nashville offer-sheeting Kessel is almost certainly never going to happen (trade is another story, given the KPD rumors in the boston globe that had NYR and Nashville as the teams in addition to Toronto that had made offers), I have to take exception with your assertion that Nashville drafts its stars, then lets them "walk." With the exception of the summer of 07, when we were in between owners and Leipold had ordered the payroll down to the minimum, we've never let a significant, homegrown player "walk." Vokoun was re-signed to a huge extension...then we had to let him go thanks to Leipold. Hartnell and Timonen were expected to be re-signed, even Kariya was in the plans...but all were let go...thanks to Leipold. In the years prior to that, we had done a good job in keeping the players we considered to be our core. In the years SINCE that, we've done even better, locking up Legwand, Erat, Suter, Weber...and soon to be Rinne and Hamhuis to long term deals. We re-signed Dumont to a lengthy extension. It's true that Nashville doesn't have a lot of money to throw at free agents...but it's because they've chosen to use it to keep and grow their core.

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Burke needs to get this guy.

I see Kessel signing for around 4.75 - 5 m deal.

Needs too? Its a tough decision but at the end of the day I still see him signing with the Bruins somehow.

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While I agree that the idea of Nashville offer-sheeting Kessel is almost certainly never going to happen (trade is another story, given the KPD rumors in the boston globe that had NYR and Nashville as the teams in addition to Toronto that had made offers), I have to take exception with your assertion that Nashville drafts its stars, then lets them "walk." With the exception of the summer of 07, when we were in between owners and Leipold had ordered the payroll down to the minimum, we've never let a significant, homegrown player "walk." Vokoun was re-signed to a huge extension...then we had to let him go thanks to Leipold. Hartnell and Timonen were expected to be re-signed, even Kariya was in the plans...but all were let go...thanks to Leipold. In the years prior to that, we had done a good job in keeping the players we considered to be our core. In the years SINCE that, we've done even better, locking up Legwand, Erat, Suter, Weber...and soon to be Rinne and Hamhuis to long term deals. We re-signed Dumont to a lengthy extension. It's true that Nashville doesn't have a lot of money to throw at free agents...but it's because they've chosen to use it to keep and grow their core.
Also, to the point that Kessel wouldn't make a difference in attendance or post-season success....

Nashville finished 4 points out of sixth last season, and were literally in it until the last game of the season. This is with only a half season of Sullivan, Arnott, Erat and Legwand out for most of the stretch, and down years from Dumont and Erat.

You think a 38 goal scorer, a legitimate top line forward to round out our top six "wouldn't make a difference?"

Adding Kessel singlehandedly turns the Predators from the 4th or 5th team in the central to challenging for first.

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Teams that still have their first three draft picks for 2010 are:

Blackhawks
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Blues
Bruins
Capitals
Devils
Hurricanes
Islanders
Kings
Maple Leafs
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Teams that are either going through changes or have the space allotted for Kessel are the teams that could be interested in Kessel. I wouldn't be surprised if one these teams overpayed


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Also, to the point that Kessel wouldn't make a difference in attendance or post-season success....

Nashville finished 4 points out of sixth last season, and were literally in it until the last game of the season. This is with only a half season of Sullivan, Arnott, Erat and Legwand out for most of the stretch, and down years from Dumont and Erat.

You think a 38 goal scorer, a legitimate top line forward to round out our top six "wouldn't make a difference?"

Adding Kessel singlehandedly turns the Predators from the 4th or 5th team in the central to challenging for first.
Truthfully, Nashville doesn't get any respect around these parts but year in and year out they manage to sneak in the playoffs. Adding Phil Kessel could make you a contender

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Those aren't even the right numbers and there is no way Kessel gets $6M.


$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 2010 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2010 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 2010 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - 2010 1st round pick, 2011 1st round pick, 2010 2nd round pick, 2010 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 1st round picks.
Although I'd sincerely hope a GM isn't stupid enough to get caught by this, just remember for deals longer than 5 years it's the total contract money divided by 5 (NOT the cap hit)--so he would end up with a cap hit less than the compensation bracket. Although for that to really matter, Kessel would be getting one long-ass deal.

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So if he signs and boston matches then I guess that sucks for him.

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Teams that are either going through changes or have the space allotted for Kessel are the teams that could be interested in Kessel. I wouldn't be surprised if one these teams overpayed
Are there any sites that would know who has their 1-3 picks for next year?

Ed. - Nevermind, fully read the post this time.

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I guess the Bruins need to ask themselves...

1st, 2nd, 3rd, and Ryder

or

Kessel

With looming contract extensions for Savard, Lucic, and Wheeler.

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Those aren't even the right numbers and there is no way Kessel gets $6M.
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But yeah, there's no chance Kessel gets over 6M, I think over 5 would be enough to force the Bruins hand.
I don't know if you mean "no chance" as in 'not in this situation' or you mean that he's not worth that cash, but if someone thinks he's got 40-goal potential, I don't see how $6mil is that outrageous. It's kind of a unique situation for the RFAs vs UFAs because they aren't yet proven and it's a bigger role of the dice based on potential.

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So if he signs and boston matches then I guess that sucks for him.
Or it's a pretty kickass way to force their hand in the negotiation process.

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Truthfully, Nashville doesn't get any respect around these parts but year in and year out they manage to sneak in the playoffs. Adding Phil Kessel could make you a contender
While at least part of this is true, the Predators would not be able to take on Kessel at his salary demands unless the ownership group was willing to take a fiscal loss on the year to try to make a push for the second round of the playoffs. Craig Leipold did that in 2006-07, and we know how that turned out.

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Florida should make an offer. They could use a goal scorer such as Kessel.

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