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09-12-2009, 05:37 PM
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agreed, id take fisher over lapierre in a 3rd line center spot, i LOVE laps but i think fisher is SICK, but a good plakenec is better offensivly and better suited for the 2nd line center spot

ottawas 2nd line center is a 3rd line center, and thats not gonna be good enough

where as we, have people battling for our 3rd and 4th center spots (yeah yeah i know laps has the 3rd spot sealed) but its nice to know chip and metro are there battling for the 4th spot, hell chipchura was touted as our future third line center not to long ago, so like i said, its nice to have SOME kind of depth at center no matter how small it may be over having a 3rd line center as your 2nd
even discussing Fisher, seriously destroys your credability as a hockey analyst.

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Spezza is very happy about the trade...

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09-12-2009, 06:00 PM
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Alfie-Spezza-Kovalev??? on the same line?

Unless the NHL will start to allow two pucks on the ice simultaneously, it`s not going to work. Both Spezza & Kovalev are way too puck dominant to play together. I think you`re more likely to see

Michalek-Spezza-Alfredsson
Cheechoo-Fisher-Kovalev

As for Kovalev potting 30 goals? Not sure about that, i don`t really think he`s as good of a goal scorer than most think. I think Habs fans especially are going to realize that Kovalev is a 2nd line player, not a 1st line one.

As for this trade...decent deal for Ottawa, this is a team that lacks serious depth all over their lineup, however, I think Murray wasted too much time making this deal. They should of dealt Heatley at the draft, I know it`s easy for me to say that from here, nevertheless, I think Murray should of done a better job in handling this situation.

I think the sens make out decent in this deal, they`ll have a much more balanced offense...but I don`t think it`s a great deal
lol man, did that ever make me laugh out loud

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09-12-2009, 06:17 PM
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Of course now that Heatley has been traded he's a bum and Cheechoo is going to rebound.

Sorry Sens fans, this is a terrible trade anyway you look at it.

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even discussing Fisher, seriously destroys your credability as a hockey analyst.
even mispelling credibility, seriously destroys your ability to type anything worth a damn

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09-12-2009, 06:19 PM
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One can put whatever spin they so desire in relation to this trade, but no way is Ottawa getting fair value for Heatley. If I were a Sens fan, I would be calling for Murrays head. Mr. Murray must have went to Rejean Houle for advice on this one.
Sens should of moved Heatley at the draft...the closer it got to training camp, the more value Heatley lost. But considering the circumstances, I think he did alright but definately not an ideal move.Murray`s really dismantled that team since staging his coup d`état on John Muckler a few years ago

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09-12-2009, 07:01 PM
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man ive been freakin out about this for a while, i had no idea about the bruins were messing up so bad with one of their better players LOL, and from what i keep hearing theyve pretty much lost him as a player lol, the other thing im hearing im not glad about is that he might go to toronto, but im PRETTY sure shirelli or whatever wont let him go so easily to a same division team, all we gotta worry about is that offer sheet, BUT, another thing we got going for us is that its burke himself who crapped all over lowe for doing the same lol, does he risk making himself look like an utter hypocrite? especialy in front of alot of media

i think it looks good that kessel will probably not be anywhere close to our division, how about that? ottawa loses a DEADLY player and now boston is messing up with another decent player, and the habs are lookin goooood, i like it boys, i like it
I'm really hoping a team like Nashville gets Kessel, send him far away. Nashville actually has assets to trade unlike the leafs.

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09-12-2009, 07:53 PM
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boy, some of those Sens fans really take it personaly when you politely question things but you're from Montréal...

Anyway, I think under the circumstances, it was a pretty good trade with an interesting upside.
the up side being that we wont have to face kovalev and heatly 6 times this season.

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09-12-2009, 08:12 PM
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Plek+Dags to Otawa for Cheechoo


lol good one.

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They really did get screwed.

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09-12-2009, 08:41 PM
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wow. ottawa just got destoyed on that deal.

who got smoked ?

SJ gets a preck , an ******* who quit on his team on a 7 mil cap hit , a loser
who done zilch when it counts.

Ottawa got a good deal , they had no depth up front , no leverage , and you say they got smoked ?

Michalek will score 30 goals , Cheecho should get 20 , plus you added Kovy in the summer . Those 3 are clealry better then the ******** they got rid of .


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09-12-2009, 08:44 PM
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Even in a salary cap world , you have got to get better value for a legitimate 40-50 goal scorer that is Dany Heatley. At least hold out for some 1s't rounders to take the sting out of the bite . As a Habs fan, however, thank you Mr. Murray
7 mil cap players arent easy to move , you need a team to work with you

Ottawa did fine

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who got smoked ?

SJ gets a preck , an ******* who quit on his team on a 7 mil cap hit , a loser
who done zilch when it counts.

Ottawa got a good deal , they had no depth up front , no leverage , and you say they got smoked ?

Michalek will score 30 goals , Cheecho should get 20 , plus you added Kovy in the summer . Those 3 are clealry better then the ******** they got rid of .
ohh yeah, the senators lost nothing. Heatley is just a 50 goal guy, 100pt per season player. he sucks


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09-12-2009, 08:45 PM
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Id rather be a Sharks fan.

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Note to the bashers : If Ottawa had a better offer, they would have taken it, stop acting like you could have pulled off a better deal.

Teams have had a long time to present a better offer, nobody wants his contract.

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09-12-2009, 08:51 PM
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who got smoked ?

SJ gets a preck , an ******* who quit on his team on a 7 mil cap hit , a loser
who done zilch when it counts.
Though Heatley did falter during the Finals, he still has 35 points in 34 playoff games. So to say he does "zilch" is wrong.

He might have demanded a trade which makes him look bad, but I'd take a 50 goal 100 point player any day of the week.


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09-12-2009, 09:32 PM
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7 mil cap players arent easy to move , you need a team to work with you

Ottawa did fine
Scott Gomez says hi.

We gave up almost as much for Gomez as SJ did for Heatley.

Ottawa loses this deal big time.

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Scott Gomez says hi.

We gave up almost as much for Gomez as SJ did for Heatley.

Ottawa loses this deal big time.
Just because Gomez got traded doesn't mean it's easy to trade away 7 mill players...

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09-12-2009, 10:03 PM
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Michalek was made to play in the East, especially in the Northeast Division.

Cheechoo could be a steal if he can be healthy and find his scoring touch again...that may happen with family only in Sudbury a 4 hour road trip away to support him.

Heatley I hope is a major bust in San Jose, alongside Big Joe who can't do anything after the regular 82 game season.

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09-12-2009, 10:06 PM
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Just because Gomez got traded doesn't mean it's easy to trade away 7 mill players...
It's not, but you find a GM/Team desperate enough and in need of a player of that calibre and you can move them.

Hell, Brian Campbell could get moved. The worst contract that would probably be impossible to move would be Redden's and then maybe Huet depending on how he plays.

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Scott Gomez says hi.

We gave up almost as much for Gomez as SJ did for Heatley.

Ottawa loses this deal big time.
Gomez never asked or demanded a trade.

Higgins is no way in the same class as Milan Michalek or even Jonathan Cheechoo.

McDonagh is the piece we miss more, and he hasn't even played a game in the NHL so who knows if he turns out to be the pro we expect him to be.

In my opinion we gave up less, and I still think Ottawa received more than people think...especially if Cheechoo turns it around.

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I never believed Murray would blackball him.

Thank god a game breaker out of the division! Heatley+Kovy was kinda scary...

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at least the second pick should have been a 1st
My immediate thoughts were this as well.

Michalek and Cheechoo? really? but ONLY a 2nd....

To be honest I said ALL along Ottawa would get fleeced in any deal inclusive of 3 way deals, and people (Ottawa fans mainly) in the trade forums acted like I was crazy. I find this very funny, they got fleeced just like any sane hockey person easily predicted.

Who knows though, maybe Cheechoo and Michaelek wind up putting up Heatley numbers combined? I'm sure sens fans are praying to god they are good.

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Let me present the opposite view. Ottawa's top 6 is now Kovalev, Alfredsson, Spezza, Michalek, Cheechoo and Fisher. That is much more balanced and dangerous than having Heatley and adding say, Foligno.

From the Sharks perspective, they now have Nabokov, Thornton, Marleau, Boyle and Heatley eating how much of their cap?

You can say that the Sharks got the best player in this trade, but if Ottawa can maneuver their way to picking up a top 3rd or 4th defenceman, they'll be very dangerous.

I wouldn't necessarily say the Sharks win this trade if you look deeper into the positions the clubs are now in even though Heatley was a 50 goal scorer.

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Let me present the opposite view. Ottawa's top 6 is now Kovalev, Alfredsson, Spezza, Michalek, Cheechoo and Fisher. That is much more balanced and dangerous than having Heatley and adding say, Foligno.

From the Sharks perspective, they now have Nabokov, Thornton, Marleau, Boyle and Heatley eating how much of their cap?

You can say that the Sharks got the best player in this trade, but if Ottawa can maneuver their way to picking up a top 3rd or 4th defenceman, they'll be very dangerous.

I wouldn't necessarily say the Sharks win this trade if you look deeper into the positions the clubs are now in even though Heatley was a 50 goal scorer.
You will be in for a surprise. I don't think they will be bad, but Alfie is older, Michalek has never hit 30 goals and he played with Thornton, Kovalev is Kovalev, Cheechoo has been on the decline for quite some time and Foligno is still young. The defence is below average and the goaltending is questionable.

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