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09-13-2009, 06:06 PM
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this is a pretty funny situation

at 3.25 mil, zherdev would be good value for his skill

if anything, burke should try and sign zherdev for 3 mil and keep the leafs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, but of course that wont happen because zherdev is not north american

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this is a pretty funny situation

at 3.25 mil, zherdev would be good value for his skill

if anything, burke should try and sign zherdev for 3 mil and keep the leafs 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks, but of course that wont happen because zherdev is not north american

Really? So is Jonas Gustavsson North American?

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Haha what an unclassy money hungry fool. New York would be stupid to have taken him back after he pretty much spat on the contract he is now trying to accept. Too late buddy, that ship has sailed and most likely towed another 26 ships with it. I doubt any team is interested anymore, but I will give him a bit of respect cause it seems he does really want to play in the best league in the world and hasn't run off to play in Russia yet.
Unclassy? He basically begged for his old team to take him back - how is that unclassy? If anything it's a very humble gesture.

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Really? So is Jonas Gustavsson North American?
the euro bit was a joke. dont get your panties in a bunch

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Honestly the Rangers have no room for him as it is, but if he offered to play on the cheap for a year, the Rangers would be foolish not to take him. Honestly he's better than Prospal, Kotalik, Lisin, Callahan, Dubinsky, whoever -- and the Rangers aren't exactly an offensive dynamo.

I think if Zherdev signed you're looking at a fairly stacked group of forwards.

Zherdev-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kotalik-Drury-Callahan
Prospal-Anisimov-Higgins
Avery-Boyle-Brashear
Lisin, Byers, Grachev, Voros, Rismiller, etc

Uhh yeah... that's a lot of forwards to roll

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i sure this more than seals his fate back to the KHL

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i sure this more than seals his fate back to the KHL

I wouldn't say that.

But if he still thinks he's going to get $3m+ this season, he's dreaming.

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Zherdev would be a nice fit in ATL what happened with that

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Honestly the Rangers have no room for him as it is, but if he offered to play on the cheap for a year, the Rangers would be foolish not to take him. Honestly he's better than Prospal, Kotalik, Lisin, Callahan, Dubinsky, whoever -- and the Rangers aren't exactly an offensive dynamo.

I think if Zherdev signed you're looking at a fairly stacked group of forwards.

Zherdev-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kotalik-Drury-Callahan
Prospal-Anisimov-Higgins
Avery-Boyle-Brashear
Lisin, Byers, Grachev, Voros, Rismiller, etc

Uhh yeah... that's a lot of forwards to roll
I disagree that Zherdev is better than ANY player you mentioned. Z is one of the sulkiest, finicky non-finishers around. Give me Callahan, Dubinsky, even Prospal over this guy! I watched every Ranger game last year, and only in a handful did he compete all contest. I watched him make some of the most mindnumbingly lazy, and idiotic plays in NHL history. Skate around the top of the zone, dipsy doo-oops! there went the puck...OK, this time I got it!Rinse, repeat... 60+ points , but a girlish, puffy floater with a deceptively poor shot. Oh...HaHaHaHa !! Z , You are pathetic.

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Zherdev would be a nice fit in ATL what happened with that
Atlanta doesn't have $3m+ to give him.

They'd probably sign him for about $1.5m.

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Unclassy? He basically begged for his old team to take him back - how is that unclassy? If anything it's a very humble gesture.
Wanting to come back is not unclassy, but if you really want to be part of a team you don't let your head get in the way and take them to court for more money than you're worth. You show some class and accept less to play for the team you love.

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I disagree that Zherdev is better than ANY player you mentioned. Z is one of the sulkiest, finicky non-finishers around. Give me Callahan, Dubinsky, even Prospal over this guy! I watched every Ranger game last year, and only in a handful did he compete all contest. I watched him make some of the most mindnumbingly lazy, and idiotic plays in NHL history. Skate around the top of the zone, dipsy doo-oops! there went the puck...OK, this time I got it!Rinse, repeat... 60+ points , but a girlish, puffy floater with a deceptively poor shot. Oh...HaHaHaHa !! Z , You are pathetic.
Offensively he is better. If you don't think so I don't know what to say. In all around game, he is certainly lacking.

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Offensively he is better. If you don't think so I don't know what to say. In all around game, he is certainly lacking.
Offensively he may have more skill than many, but his heart and hustle are nonexistent. But , yeah i agree with you. I am just saying that I would rather have any of the guys mentioned on the team over Z...

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You don't win cups with players like Zherdev.

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Unclassy? He basically begged for his old team to take him back - how is that unclassy? If anything it's a very humble gesture.
What's unclassy was the way Zherdev handled everything.

At seasons end he was quoted "I love playing in NY and intend to resign here"

A month or so later he was quoted with these two doozies...

"Sure i'll play for NY...When they pay me what I want and not a penny less"
"If I don't get what I want I sign with a division rival that plays the Rangers alot"

He handled it the wrong way.

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I think if Zherdev signed you're looking at a fairly stacked group of forwards.

Zherdev-Dubinsky-Gaborik
Kotalik-Drury-Callahan
Prospal-Anisimov-Higgins
Avery-Boyle-Brashear
Lisin, Byers, Grachev, Voros, Rismiller, etc

Uhh yeah... that's a lot of forwards to roll
I would not call this "stacked"... Solid-ish, but not "stacked" - and only if everybody plays to potential.

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I'd like to see a CBA expert clear this up, because I am pretty confident the Rangers can't walk away from the arbitration and then re-sign him for less than the award. It would essentially defeat the purpose of the arbitration rights.I'm not an expert by any means, but I seem to recall that if the team walks away, the said player cannot join their team for a single year. There is a chance that I'm wrong, though, but given his track record and even larger chance that Brooks is just grinding his axe.

It would essentially defeat the purpose of the arbitration rights? What??? I thought that process was created to help the young players to make sure they would not get paid les than the league value... By giving the player his freedom and letting him walk, the Rangers let him find a team that is willing to give him the moon. In this case, there was no moon and Zerdhev realised he had it good and that he pushed too hard for more $ and that 3.2M was even more than league value at that time in the season.




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I disagree that Zherdev is better than ANY player you mentioned. Z is one of the sulkiest, finicky non-finishers around. Give me Callahan, Dubinsky, even Prospal over this guy! I watched every Ranger game last year, and only in a handful did he compete all contest. I watched him make some of the most mindnumbingly lazy, and idiotic plays in NHL history. Skate around the top of the zone, dipsy doo-oops! there went the puck...OK, this time I got it!Rinse, repeat... 60+ points , but a girlish, puffy floater with a deceptively poor shot. Oh...HaHaHaHa !! Z , You are pathetic.
I detect some jealousy.

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I detect some jealousy.
Not really; it's just someone who notices his flaws more than his advantages. To be fair, though, those flaws are pretty serious.

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I think the MOST he can hope for is 2y/5m total. He's really screwed himself over. Another young player manipulated by a foolish, greedy agent...

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Not really; it's just someone who notices his flaws more than his advantages. To be fair, though, those flaws are pretty serious.
You can point out flaws without calling someone pathetic.

From everything I've seen of him, he has some pretty amazing skills, but fails to bring his A-game every night. If he were to make the jump of showing up to every game, he could instantly become a legitimate 1st line player. As it is, he's a serviceable 1st liner and an above average 2nd liner, based on his 60 points. It would be analagous to an office worker spending half the day surfing the internet, aka most of the posters on HFBoards. I really don't see how that makes him pathetic.

Someone's just jealous he gets paid millions of dollars to slack at his job, and he only gets paid a few thousand.

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What's unclassy was the way Zherdev handled everything.

At seasons end he was quoted "I love playing in NY and intend to resign here"

A month or so later he was quoted with these two doozies...

"Sure i'll play for NY...When they pay me what I want and not a penny less"
"If I don't get what I want I sign with a division rival that plays the Rangers alot"


He handled it the wrong way.
Please provide links for these. I do not doubt you but I would like to see this in writing and if it was Larry Brooks quotes..those should be taken with a grain of salt like what he wrote in regards to Z trying to return to NYR.

Brooks is no better than the other rumor guys sometimes.

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Wanting to come back is not unclassy, but if you really want to be part of a team you don't let your head get in the way and take them to court for more money than you're worth. You show some class and accept less to play for the team you love.
He doesn't love the team, he loves money. Now he isn't getting any and he thinks 3.2 is better than the big fat goose egg he is getting now.

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Everybody is saying how the ship has sailed, and because he rejected this money earlier he is, and should be, SOL.
What you people don't understand is NHL is business, and sometimes you gotta swallow your pride and not shove it in somebodys face if it will improve your team.

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The first sign of Zherdev realizing that he's pissing away a chance to play at the highest level, and he gained a little bit of respect from me for it.

Now, if he gets his ticket back to the NHL, he better work to keep it. No more floating, more back-checking (I've seen proof that he's capable of doing it, but that video evidence is just so few and far between).

Or he will have no choice but to go back to Russia.

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