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12-05-2009, 11:40 PM
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What is your criteria for 'franchise players'?

There is a lot of argument as to what a Franchise player is, and what defines them. Without rehashing this debate and getting in to the details, I want to know what the common sentiment is as to HOW MANY franchise players their are in the league.

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12-06-2009, 12:38 AM
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Franchise players IMO:

Getzlaf
Kovalchuk
Chara
Miller
Iginla
Staal
Toews
Nash
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Kopitar
Parise
Gaborik
Alfredsson
Richards
Crosby
Malkin
Thornton
Lecavalier
Luongo
Ovechkin

Future/Unproven franchise players:

Bogosian
Duchene
Mason
Doughty
Tavares
Stamkos
Kessel
E-Johnson

Therefore 15-30

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12-06-2009, 12:49 AM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Chara
Luongo
Brodeur

I'm picky. You need to be the best at what you do for a multiple straight seasons before I consider you a true franchise player.

Guys like Kopitar, Nash, Toews... maybe you should wait until they actually hit the PPG mark once before you anoint them with multiple 100 point players.

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12-06-2009, 01:07 AM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Chara
Luongo
Brodeur

I'm picky. You need to be the best at what you do for a multiple straight seasons before I consider you a true franchise player.

Guys like Kopitar, Nash, Toews... maybe you should wait until they actually hit the PPG mark once before you anoint them with multiple 100 point players.
Datsyuk and Kovalchuk but no Iginla?

Oh, wait , you're an Oilers fans I understand now...

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12-06-2009, 01:25 AM
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Datsyuk and Kovalchuk but no Iginla?

Oh, wait , you're an Oilers fans I understand now...
Oilers fans don't hate Iginla. Well, lately maybe (Souray hit) but I thought it was an accidental trip and am still fairly ambivalent on the Iginla topic all together.

Personally, though? I do think he is over praised. Not as physical as he gets credit for being, fairly inconsistent and he's played like a floater for the last couple years. Not an impact player away from the puck, and he rarely has a quiet offensive game - if he's scoring, he does it at a ridiculous level. He'll have four or five multi-goal, 3 point nights in a 6-7 game span then go away.

He had a great run from 2003-2007 (even though his numbers were mediocre by his standards in 05/06 - that was more of a team composition issue), but I would consider both Datsyuk and Kovalchuk to be superior hockey players at this point.

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12-06-2009, 01:27 AM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Chara
Luongo
Brodeur

I'm picky. You need to be the best at what you do for a multiple straight seasons before I consider you a true franchise player.

Guys like Kopitar, Nash, Toews... maybe you should wait until they actually hit the PPG mark once before you anoint them with multiple 100 point players.


How did you forget him

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12-06-2009, 02:06 AM
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When I think of franchise players, I don't tend to think about who are the best players in the league, or which players I'd love to have on my team, but rather what players have their team built around them. Thus meaning it is rare to have more then one franchise player per team, as some others choose to believe. Although I would make the case for Kane/Toews.

Franchise players IMO (currently or will be in the near future):
Crosby
Brodeur
Tavares
Ovechkin
Kovalchuk
Kane/Toews
Nash
Iginla
Luongo

If you disagree with the guys I picked or missed I'm OK with that, but the main point of this post is that a franchise player is someone a team is built around, rather then just the best player on a team.

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12-06-2009, 02:17 AM
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A franchise player is a player who a team has been built around AND that makes it to multiple playoff appearance during said players time there. How can you define a franchise player if they do nothing for the franchise in terms of making the post season (Kovalchuk being the exception).

Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Brodeur
Thornton
Luongo

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12-06-2009, 04:10 AM
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10-13 Imo.

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12-06-2009, 11:11 AM
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It is driving me nuts that people are including 'future/potential' franchise players in their lists. If they aren't a franchise player then they are not a franchise player - it is a guess on your part.

What happens when a former franchise player drops off the radar or is pushed out of his spot (Stamkos over Vinny, etc)?

If a young player is to be labelled as a franchise player, their future is still uncertain, so they must absolutely dominate at a young age and show no signs of slowing down.

Sorry, Parise (284 pts in 356 games at age 25), and Ryan Miller are not there yet. Neither is Chara (1 Norris only, and no real playoff success).

My list:

Malkin
Crosby
Ovechkin
Brodeur
Luongo
Pronger
Lidstrom
Kovalchuk
Thornton

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12-06-2009, 11:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CAPiTA View Post
Franchise players IMO:

Getzlaf
Kovalchuk
Chara
Miller
Iginla
Staal
Toews
Nash
Datsyuk
Zetterberg
Kopitar
Parise
Gaborik
Alfredsson
Richards
Crosby
Malkin
Thornton
Lecavalier
Luongo
Ovechkin

Future/Unproven franchise players:

Bogosian
Duchene
Mason
Doughty
Tavares
Stamkos
Kessel
E-Johnson

Therefore 15-30
Agreed 100%

Franchise player is a notch below superstar, imo. It's someone who you build your team around.

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12-06-2009, 11:41 AM
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It is driving me nuts that people are including 'future/potential' franchise players in their lists. If they aren't a franchise player then they are not a franchise player - it is a guess on your part.

What happens when a former franchise player drops off the radar or is pushed out of his spot (Stamkos over Vinny, etc)?

If a young player is to be labelled as a franchise player, their future is still uncertain, so they must absolutely dominate at a young age and show no signs of slowing down.

Sorry, Parise (284 pts in 356 games at age 25), and Ryan Miller are not there yet. Neither is Chara (1 Norris only, and no real playoff success).

My list:

Malkin
Crosby
Ovechkin
Brodeur
Luongo
Pronger
Lidstrom
Kovalchuk
Thornton
So if a player has the following:

- two 50 goal seasons
- won the Richard twice
- Was an NHL All Rookie Team, 3 time First Team All-Star, one time Second Team All-Star
- won the Art Ross Trophy
- won the King Clancy trophy
- won a Lester B. Pearson award
- Finished second in Hart voting by a single vote, was also runner up a second time.
- Won an Olympic gold medal
- leads his franchise in almost every category
- took his team on his back all the way to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals
- widely recognized as one of the best captains in the league, even won the Mark Messier Leadership award
- Heck, you could even say he's likely to retire with over 600 goals barring a major decrease in play or injury.

.... he's not a franchise player? Really? I hate the lack of respect Iggy gets on this board.

Heck, Kovy has one second team all-star, one Richard and he's on your list.


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In my opinion, a franchise player is one of the Top 30 players in the league, regardless of position, in the broadest terms...

Or, a player that can be "the" leading foundation piece of a future contender/Stanley Cup winner. A player that would be a star attraction on their own on an NHL team.

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So if a player has the following:

- two 50 goal seasons
- won the Richard twice
- Was an NHL All Rookie Team, 3 time First Team All-Star, one time Second Team All-Star
- won the Art Ross Trophy
- won the King Clancy trophy
- won a Lester B. Pearson award
- Finished second in Hart voting by a single vote
- Won an Olympic gold medal
- leads his franchise in almost every category
- took his team on his back all the way to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals
- widely recognized as one of the best captains in the league, even won the Mark Messier Leadership award
- Heck, you could even say he's likely to retire with over 600 goals barring a major decrease in play or injury.

.... he's not a franchise player? Really? I hate the lack of respect Iggy gets on this board.

Heck, Kovy has one second team all-star, one Richard and he's on your list.
Iginla is VERY close to being a franchise player, yes I suppose I might even classify him as one. Still, despite having a STRONG team (Kipper, Phaneuf, Jokinen, Reghyr), he has never went anywhere in the playoffs since the lockout... and yes he is usually the best Flame in the PO's, his performance on a team loaded with stars should be enough to drag his team into later rounds.

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Iginla is VERY close to being a franchise player, yes I suppose I might even classify him as one. Still, despite having a STRONG team (Kipper, Phaneuf, Jokinen, Reghyr), he has never went anywhere in the playoffs since the lockout... and yes he is usually the best Flame in the PO's, his performance on a team loaded with stars should be enough to drag his team into later rounds.
There isn't any might about it. Iginla has a strong case for the HHOF, especially if he wins a cup and breaks the 600 goal mark. He's only 32, so he has lots of time to pad his stats some more. If he has a case for HHOF, then he's a freaking franchise player.

If theres a thread where Phil Kessel is being debated on whether or not he's a franchise player, than Jarome Iginla is a franchise player without a shadow of a doubt.

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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Chara
Luongo
Brodeur

I'm picky. You need to be the best at what you do for a multiple straight seasons before I consider you a true franchise player.

Guys like Kopitar, Nash, Toews... maybe you should wait until they actually hit the PPG mark once before you anoint them with multiple 100 point players.


no jumbo joe on the list? crazy!

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Iginla is VERY close to being a franchise player, yes I suppose I might even classify him as one. Still, despite having a STRONG team (Kipper, Phaneuf, Jokinen, Reghyr), he has never went anywhere in the playoffs since the lockout... and yes he is usually the best Flame in the PO's, his performance on a team loaded with stars should be enough to drag his team into later rounds.
If i had to name franchise player, first player that comes to my mind is Iginla.

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Crosby
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kovalchuk
Lidstrom
Chara
Luongo
Brodeur

I'm picky. You need to be the best at what you do for a multiple straight seasons before I consider you a true franchise player.

Guys like Kopitar, Nash, Toews... maybe you should wait until they actually hit the PPG mark once before you anoint them with multiple 100 point players.
Nash has been a PPG player twice...

anyway, I think there are 5-10 Superstar-Elite players in the game, and 20+ Franchise players. Franchise player being someone who you team can build around, not necessarily best of the best.

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My criteria for a franchise player is tougher. It's not only a player you build a team around, but one that is actually around that team for most of their career. Thus, with my definition, hotshot young guys aren't franchise until they've earned the title. They can be superstars or cornerstones or pillars or what have you, but until they show that they are that team it's just an empty label.

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this is what I think too.

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Ovechkin
Crosby
Malkin
Brodeur (gotta be nearing the end, tho)
Thornton
Kovalchuk

I think there's very few players that you could truly build a team around. Lidstrom was a franchise player, but those days may be over. We all knew he wasn't going to last forever. I'm on the fence about Iginla, Nash, and Datsyuk.

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Mike Modano
Joe Sakic
Steve Yzerman

Guys who stay around for the long haul (in these cases, entire careers). The "face" of the franchise. As to who those players are now...these are the players I stack them up against.

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About 50% of the teams have one and some even have two so it's 15-30 for me. A franchise player is someone you build your team around. Some teams have better building blocks than others but they are still franchise players..

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Yup.

Lidstrom
Luongo
Brodeur
Ovechkin
Crosby
Malkin
Kovalchuk
Iginla
Modano
Thornton
Getzlaf
Kane
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