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09-05-2009, 11:39 AM
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Schedule Improvements Wiped Out??

A recent decision by the US Department of Transportation has serious consequences for the Canucks:
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Canada’s six NHLteams are scrambling to find alternative travel arrangements south of the border after the U.S. Department of Transportation banned Air Canada’s charter fleet from flying between U.S. cities.

In a furious exchange with the Obama administration over the mid-August ruling, Canada has launched its own investigation and will soon close its skies to U.S. sports team charters in retaliation, warns Transport Minister John Baird.
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Former Air Canada president Montie Brewer says the Jetz charters are the only way to fly for teams that must reach their destinations without fail. Each charter plane comes with its own on-board mechanic and has exclusive access to private terminals regular airlines cannot use.
http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/H...225/story.html

While this change in policy will clearly impact all Canadian NHL teams it will most likely have the greatest impact upon the Canucks.

Now if President Obama was a real hockey fan............

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so, it's basically Air Canada charters here?

how does this effect teams that have their own private jet - like the Canucks do?

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so, it's basically Air Canada charters here?

how does this effect teams that have their own private jet - like the Canucks do?
don't the canucks use air canada charters?

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don't the canucks use air canada charters?
yes they do. They will most likely have to schedule an american airline charter.

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Well let's retaliate and ban the US charter flights in Canada. Even though the impact may not be as great, there are a number of Western road trips that see teams going through Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. We can cause a slight inconvenience.

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Well let's retaliate and ban the US charter flights in Canada. Even though the impact may not be as great, there are a number of Western road trips that see teams going through Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. We can cause a slight inconvenience.

I believe this is now being done in retaliation and rightly so. Sounds like this is going be a huge problem for the NHL.

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Why would they ban direct charters? What benefit does that have?

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Why would they ban direct charters? What benefit does that have?
Forces these teams (and other entities that use Canadian-based direct charters in the US) to spend money on US charters which helps boost the US economy? Very simple explanation...

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from what I gathered on another board--the teams can fly from a canadian team to a us city--but not from a us city to a us city

according to what was said an a travel board--this has more to do with so many chartered jets from mexico and how they pay taxes down there--but not in the usa

it is a complicated issue

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Well let's retaliate and ban the US charter flights in Canada. Even though the impact may not be as great, there are a number of Western road trips that see teams going through Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. We can cause a slight inconvenience.
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Air Canada executive vice president Duncan Dee predicted the ruling will create “chaos” for teams shuttling across the border. “It’s extremely messy for both American and Canadian teams,” he said. It was a unilateral action imposed without consultation or Air Canada being able to defend itself. It’s obvious the U.S. Department of Transportation doesn’t watch hockey.”

The Air Canada charters fly under the Jetz label.

Baird said the dispute “shows the power of anti-free-trade Democrats in the Congress” and cautioned his government will respond in kind.

“We’ve already directed the Canadian Transportation Agency to launch a formal inquiry and the next step will be a direction to the CTA to immediate prohibit charter flights by U.S. carriers under season-long contracts with professional sports teams with multiple stops in Canada,” he said in an interview.

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from what I gathered on another board--the teams can fly from a canadian team to a us city--but not from a us city to a us city

according to what was said an a travel board--this has more to do with so many chartered jets from mexico and how they pay taxes down there--but not in the usa

it is a complicated issue
It is not complicated. The NHL has been operating under an eight year exemption.

This came about as result of a complaint from US pilots - it is all about work in a depressed industry.
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The sticking point is an eight-year-old exemption that had allowed sports and celebrity charters to make several pit stops in American cities. Under existing open skies agreements, regular Canadian airline flights can only visit one U.S. city before returning.
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The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. It had demanded an investigation of passenger lists on the NHLflights, which found a few examples of injured players, personal trainers and team owners boarding the charter south of the border and departing at another U.S. city in a technical violation of the agreement.

Despite the small number of passengers involved, the American side ruled it was enough to shut down an arrangement negotiated eight years ago during the George W. Bush presidency.

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yeah, 6 more jobs for USA pilots they are out of recession!!!! :

Another angle is that it would be very un-green to send a plane down there and send it back empty. Green is about being effeicient and this USA policy is not!

Easy fix, Air Canada sets up a US office.

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All Canadian teams will lease a plane this year and you could even see some borrowing between Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver because of long homestands.

It might just mean they pay a little less into revenue sharing, the billionaires will take care of the millionaires.

I think it would be crazy to think any canadian team owner would let a few million come into play to hurt their team. I'd bet all teams would spend an extra 5 million if they could go over the cap.

No worries boys. The american teams that won't lease or buy a plane will be the ones that will be hurt more.

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Sucks for the Blue Jays?
Jays stick around for a few days at each stop, the Rapters are the ones that get hit the worst.

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All Canadian teams will lease a plane this year and you could even see some borrowing between Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver because of long homestands.

It might just mean they pay a little less into revenue sharing, the billionaires will take care of the millionaires.

I think it would be crazy to think any canadian team owner would let a few million come into play to hurt their team. I'd bet all teams would spend an extra 5 million if they could go over the cap.

No worries boys. The american teams that won't lease or buy a plane will be the ones that will be hurt more.
Which is bad news for Nashville, Atlanta, Phoenix, Carolina and Florida

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good, they don't have to fly sh*tcanada.

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I dont think it's a huge deal. The team just has to pay a bit more for an extra charter going on US road trips

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I'm sure they will figure it all out. Feel a little more comfortable with a Canadian commissioner though.

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[QUOTE=Pauser;20990968]Which is bad news for Nashville, Atlanta, Phoenix, Carolina and Florida [/


I like it.

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Surprising, considering that Air Canada has a partnership with United.

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Surprising, considering that Air Canada has a partnership with United.
Which is inapplicable to the Jetz charters as far as I know.

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Here is Puck Daddy's take on this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puc...urn=nhl,187445

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