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Antoine Vermette extends 5 years with Columbus

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09-15-2009, 08:09 PM
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Set's a good negotiation bar for a guy like Ryan Kesler.

I'm sure everyone in the league would rather have Kesler in their lineup over Vermette in a heartbeat...

so what then would Kesler be worth?
$4.5 to $5 Million?

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09-15-2009, 08:21 PM
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Set's a good negotiation bar for a guy like Ryan Kesler.

I'm sure everyone in the league would rather have Kesler in their lineup over Vermette in a heartbeat...

so what then would Kesler be worth?
$4.5 to $5 Million?
I think it doesn't make sense to rate both guys only based on their respective past seasons. Leading up to this year I would have rated them pretty equally and I won't step away from that just yet. I think they bring very similar skills to their teams and neither is far and away better than the other - I admit that stats don't exactly prove this as of now, but I believe in what I've seen of both. After this season the gap will look a lot closer and Kesler won't have to sign for $4.5 mio...

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09-15-2009, 10:31 PM
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If he's overpaid by $500K, whatever, Columbus isn't even near the cap yet (saving all the room for the young guys re-upping). That's not going to matter. There is no `no-movement` clause, so he can be traded away if he fails to perform; however, Howson has been after him for awhile and seems pretty confident in what he will do.

The great thing for Columbus is that all of their key players are re-signing happily and for long terms. Players are starting to see the organization as desirable for things other than golf outings, and Howson is a huge part of that.

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09-16-2009, 03:21 AM
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Notice the only people applauding this contract are Ottawa and Jackets fans? You know, the guys who have actually consistently watched Vermette play?

The hypocrisy of HFboards astounds me, so what if he's overpaid a little. The guy was an integral part of the Jackets run to the playoffs and meshed extremely well with Umberger, scoring almost a PPG.

I'd rather have Vermette at that price tag than Zubrus at $3.4mill and Rolston at $5mill, and I really like those two guys on the Devils.

If the shoe fits....

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09-16-2009, 07:33 AM
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5 years is too long for a guy like vermette. no matter what the price.

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09-16-2009, 08:17 AM
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On a radio interview on Team 1200 this morning, Pierre McGuire said that in his opinion, the Jackets made a very good, responsible deal with this signing.

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09-16-2009, 08:17 AM
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Notice the only people applauding this contract are Ottawa and Jackets fans? You know, the guys who have actually consistently watched Vermette play?
I don't know what the problem with the folks in Ottawa is, but It's clear Columbus fans are still know nothing expansion fans.

Don't they know that:
Columbus overpaid for Jan Hejda
Columbus got DESTROYED trading Zherdev for Tyutin
Columbus Overpaid in Trading for R.J. Umberger
Columbus overpaid for Mike Commodore
Columbus got HOSED trading Gilbert Brule for Raffi Torres



When will they ever learn that the combined groupthink of these boards knows what's best for them.

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09-16-2009, 08:30 AM
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I love David Krejci's contract.
Its crazy ( ).


At face value, 3.75M is not a steal, let alone a good deal, BUT....you can't really judge this signing until Vermette gets a full season with Columbus under his belt. Like others have said, his role has changed with Columbus. He still brings a strong checking game, but now he'll have more opportunities to put the biscuit in the basket. He can't be meddling in the 40 point range, however.

I'm guessing once the season is over, he'll have potted 55-60 points and this will be a fair contract.

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09-16-2009, 08:34 AM
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Great signing for the Jackets; he looked good last year with them.

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09-16-2009, 09:02 AM
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Glad to see SH get it done. It had been rumored for weeks that it was likely to happen sometime during training camp.

Looking forward to seeing what he can do for us this season. He was a Hawk killer down the stretch with us last year & the Williams-Vermette-Umberger second line was deadly toward the end.

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Yep. Especially since all that overpaying involved:
-Hejda and Commodore have been a well-praised shutdown D pairing.
-We all know how the Zherdev situation played out in New York, while Tyutin played well for us.
-RJ had a career year goal-wise.
-Raffi was hurt early, but got hot toward the end of the season & had what, 7 GWG & it got to where we were 11-0 when he scored?

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Frenchy is a good guy. he does lots of good things and 3.75 while it seems like too much to me hopefully he lives up to it.
My problem isnt so much even the money, its more that i wouldnt want him as my 2nd line center. There is a reason he didnt win that job in Ottawa.

While he's fast he's unstable and falls down a lot. He is not a threat to score from more than 15 feets out because he doesnt have a great shot. (lots of snapshots that seem like goalie warm up shots) He has pretty good vision but his hands, feet and head dont seem to work in conjunction enough. Its like his legs are too fast for the rest of his game. He will show flashes of a 70pt player and he'll go on a nice hot streak and you think "this is it breakout year" and then he goes colder than the far side of the moon.
Despite that he is always good on the PK, he works hard most of the time, and is a good team player.
Im just not sold you can win anything with him as your 2nd line center no matter what you pay him. Its the Todd White syndrome.

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09-16-2009, 09:36 AM
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Glad to see SH get it done. It had been rumored for weeks that it was likely to happen sometime during training camp.

Looking forward to seeing what he can do for us this season. He was a Hawk killer down the stretch with us last year & the Williams-Vermette-Umberger second line was deadly toward the end.



Yep. Especially since all that overpaying involved:
-Hejda and Commodore have been a well-praised shutdown D pairing.
-We all know how the Zherdev situation played out in New York, while Tyutin played well for us.
-RJ had a career year goal-wise.
-Raffi was hurt early, but got hot toward the end of the season & had what, 7 GWG & it got to where we were 11-0 when he scored?
Pssst... The irony isn't as funny when you explain it

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09-16-2009, 10:09 AM
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Too much money for Vermette. Could look like a good signing in a couple of seasons but I have my doubts.

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09-16-2009, 10:41 AM
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Pssst... The irony isn't as funny when you explain it
oh, I'm crying with laughter. . .

On topic. I was first taken slightly aback at the term more than anything, but having had time to digest it, I think its going to be a good deal.

We'll see what a full season with the Blue Jackets brings for Vermette and Co.

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Set's a good negotiation bar for a guy like Ryan Kesler.

I'm sure everyone in the league would rather have Kesler in their lineup over Vermette in a heartbeat...

so what then would Kesler be worth?
$4.5 to $5 Million?
Sounds about right, 5 million - maybe 4.5.

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09-16-2009, 11:41 AM
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Columbus is paying for two things:

a) Versatility

b) A good-looking french guy to dominate the Columbus bars with Brassard

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5 years is too long for a guy like vermette. no matter what the price.
Of course it is. Why would you want someone who is entering the prime of his career that can skate, take faceoffs, shows good vision, plays on the first unit of the PK and is finally in a position to play his natural center position on a scoring line in Columbus. What a waste of time.

So what is a "guy like Vermette" to you? Besides a player who isn't on your team?

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09-16-2009, 06:57 PM
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People are saying this contract is bad when Vancouver gave Samulesson 3.5 and Los Angeles gave Scuderi 3.4???

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People are saying this contract is bad when Vancouver gave Samulesson 3.5 and Los Angeles gave Scuderi 3.4???
Well, y'see, it's Columbus, and Columbus is obviously never going to amount to anything. So that makes it effectively double the cap hit right there.

In all seriousness, folks can still point to those and say "yep, those are much worse". You can always find worse examples. So I see no problem with folks claiming that this contract is bad despite the existence of those other contracts. My issue remains that they think of it as bad to begin with.

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People are saying this contract is bad when Vancouver gave Samulesson 3.5 and Los Angeles gave Scuderi 3.4???
Samuelsson has a 2.5m cap hit
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.p...AN&season=0910

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I honestly don't think it matters. One can always look around and find worse contracts; the specific examples don't matter. It's the argument itself that is flawed IMO.

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I don't see how this is a good deal for the Jackets.

Vermette is a fringe second liner who has never been anything special offensively. 3.75 over five years for him will look like serious overpayment in a few years.

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I honestly don't think it matters. One can always look around and find worse contracts; the specific examples don't matter. It's the argument itself that is flawed IMO.
I know, it's just annoying going through 5 pages of "Overpayment!" comments.

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I don't see how this is a good deal for the Jackets.

Vermette is a fringe second liner who has never been anything special offensively. 3.75 over five years for him will look like serious overpayment in a few years.
Fringe second liner? Did you watch him play for the Jackets?

See, not every team can have Art Ross winning centremen on their second line.

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Funny little clause in his contract, he listed 10 cities he wouldnt mind being traded to and he put Quebec city in the list

I saw that this morning in the local paper

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