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04-04-2004, 04:37 PM
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Prospects year in review

For a team that is supposed to have a top group of prospects, the Habs got precious little from them this past season. Of all the players they have drafted in the past 5 years, only one, Mike Komisarek played any amount for the team. Even Komisarek was only a part time player and a frequent scratch. No prospect stepped up this year in any significant way aside from Michael Ryder who was an 8th round draft pick from 1998 and wasn't even considered among the team's best prospects a year ago.

From the 1999 draft there is nothing to show. Alex Buturlin is a marginal player back in Russia, Matt Carkner is in the minor leagues in another organization, Matt Shasby and M.A. Thinel are ECHL players at 23 years of age.

The 2000 draft is not looking well at the moment, either. Ron Hainsey has a world of talent, but he doesn't seem to want to play for the Habs. He will go elsewhere and become a good NHL defenceman, likely. Marcel Hossa isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer, and seems destined for mediocrity despite good physical assets. The guy who was shaping up as the best pick from the draft, Josef Balej, was the prospect the Rangers chose in the deal for Alexei Kovalev.

2001 should have been the Habs big year at the draft table, although it is looking less likely, now. Komisarek has enormous potential, if the team doesn't screw it up. Alex Perezhogin could be a servicable NHL winger, although he will never be a big scorer. Duncan Milroy will not be even that in all likelyhood. Tomas Plekanec is on the verge of NHL duty, although he too will be a fringe player in all probability. Olivier Michaud, who would have been draft eligible in 2001, has been a pleasant surprise as a free agent signing, but he has a long way to go.

2002 brought Chris Higgins who fits into the same category as Perezhogin and Plekanec. Not exceptional in any one area, but a decent all round blend of assets, that will make him a marginal NHL player. The rest of the draft, with the possible exception of 9th rounder Konstantin Korneev is best forgotten.

2003 offers little hope, although it is still early. Kastitsyn did nothing to show why he should have been the 10th overall draft pick. The rest of the draftees had unremarkable years as well. No one stepped up to make it look like he was better than given credit for a year ago. The 2003 draft could be a complete washout.

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you forgot about Ribeiro, Markov and Beauchemin who can be with us next year

3 good player in 1 year is not that bad

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1998e.html

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you forgot about Ribeiro, Markov and Beauchemin who can be with us next year

3 good player in 1 year is not that bad

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1998e.html
They are from the 1998 draft, so it is more than 5 years ago. I don't think that Beauchemin will be anything to speak of. He is 24 years old, already. Getting Markov, Ribeiro and Ryder from that draft was exceptional, considering they wasted their first pick on Eric Chouinard. The jury is still out on Ribeiro and Ryder, however. It is entirely conceivable that they never reach the numbers they had this year again in their career.

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What the **** are you talking about, Kastsitsyn is one of the top 15 prospects in the league!

Perezhogin had a great rookie year in Hamilton and looks really promising. Same thing about Plekanec's sophomore season.

Higgins wasn't bad in his first season in Hamilton, he is not yet great when it comes ot a long season, but he will at least be a 3rd liner.

Urquhart and Lapierre had good year in the Q, same thing with Stewart. Corey Locke is small and his chance to make the NHL are slim but he has two straight scoring championship in the OHL. Oskari Korpikari and Jaroslav Halak both had great WJC. Alexander Buturlin looks very good in the RSL but will he come to the NHL? Ron Hainsey and Marcel Hossa still have a ton of potential, they just need to put it all together.

I'm not saying that all of these players will make it, but to say that the team hasn't done a good job in the last 5 years is the biggest joke I ever heard.

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Who are you anyway to talk about almost every prospect the Habs picked in the past five entry drafts as if you had seen them all play live? Personally I follow Montreal's prospects pretty closely (mainly here and other hockey websites), but I don't claim knowing exactly how they are progressing and the role they are going to play in the NHL. I leave this stuff to a guy like Dan who has seen them on video tapes and stuff.

Are you an international scout or something?

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The past 3 years was very good for the Habs. Don't look at the prospects who are in the NHL but look at how far are they from reaching it. Higgins, Perez, Hossa, Hainsey and Plekanec could all be in the team next year. Maybe you could add Kastitsyn in that group. Wait two years and many of them will be in the team.

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Wow what a lame thread IMO. Nothing but trash to say about young players with potential. Ryder should not even have been playing in the NHL but look at him now, he's A MONSTER PERFORMER (I sound like Mcguire on Mcguire to the max ). You can't predict how these young guns will develop so shut your yap!

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Higgins is our best prospect in Hamilton and he's gonna be a player for sure .

And what the **** is that anyways ? We just entered into the playoffs and we will have plenty of time for that kind of thread in the off-season .

GO HABS GO !!!

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Must be a closet Laffs fan.

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I hope you're not expecting anyone with a modicum of hockey knowledge to agree with any of your blathering, db23.

For about the 500th time you've declared in your "all knowing" manner that the 2003 draft group will be a flop.

First off - only a peabrain, or someone who is a redundant sheet disturber, would begin declaring a draft group to be a flop mere months later, and continue this contention ad nauseam all season long, even while the prospects are prospering right under your nose. Lapierre has arguably been one of the Q's top 5 forwards for the past couple of months, and has NHL potential written all over him. He has the size, speed, smarts, and defensive awareness to be in the big league for a long time if the improvement continues. If that makes him a bad selection at the end of the second round........


Has the 1998 draft crop not been proof enough that no one can predict the long-term future of draft picks after a few months? Nine months after the 1998 draft, Chouinard was still considered the top Hab prospect from that draft...Ribeiro was considered too small and too slow, and that judgement would remain until this season - six seasons later. In the spring of 1999 Ryder and Markov were still longshots at best to be NHLers, let alone impact players. Well; how wrong was everyone?

You can't seriously state (repeatedly I might add) on this board that you know Kastistsyn will be a flop. If there's one prospect from last year's first round that cannot yet be judged conclusively, it might well be Kastitsyn. I'm certainly not going to trust the opinion of someone who hasn't seen him play all season, that's for damn sure. You sit back, look at the fact that he only received limited ice time in the top Russian league with a coach well known for his preference for veterans, and assume he's a flop. Ridiculous logic.

I also get a kick out of your contention that a player is flopping because he finished behind two other teammates in scoring at a junior championship. I suppose you would have determined after the 1992 WJC that Michael Nylander (17 points)was a much better player than teammates Peter Forsberg (11 points) and Markus Naslund (10 points). Hell - Nylander was a third round pick while Forsberg was picked 6th overall. According to your logic, Forsberg thus should have become a flop. Never mind that Forsberg was second overall in tournament scoring (Kasty was third this year) and helped lead his team to a silver medal (Kasty led his team to Gold), he was outscored by a player drafted after him in the 1991 draft.

One of the most ingratiating characters on this kind of board is the armchair scout, one who sits on his fat azz every day in front of his computer screen declaring much too hastily that he knows which prospects are good and which ones are not, despite never seeing 99 per cent of them play a game. You are one of those characters.

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Perezhogin, Higgins, Plekanec marginal players... nuff said

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Ridiculous, db23 has posted nothing but ******** up to yet, I can understand someone telling our prospects arent good, but it would be nice if they said why and not just spilled their prejudice and idiocies on us.

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For a team that is supposed to have a top group of prospects, the Habs got precious little from them this past season. Of all the players they have drafted in the past 5 years, only one, Mike Komisarek played any amount for the team. Even Komisarek was only a part time player and a frequent scratch. No prospect stepped up this year in any significant way aside from Michael Ryder who was an 8th round draft pick from 1998 and wasn't even considered among the team's best prospects a year ago.

From the 1999 draft there is nothing to show. Alex Buturlin is a marginal player back in Russia, Matt Carkner is in the minor leagues in another organization, Matt Shasby and M.A. Thinel are ECHL players at 23 years of age.

The 2000 draft is not looking well at the moment, either. Ron Hainsey has a world of talent, but he doesn't seem to want to play for the Habs. He will go elsewhere and become a good NHL defenceman, likely. Marcel Hossa isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer, and seems destined for mediocrity despite good physical assets. The guy who was shaping up as the best pick from the draft, Josef Balej, was the prospect the Rangers chose in the deal for Alexei Kovalev.

2001 should have been the Habs big year at the draft table, although it is looking less likely, now. Komisarek has enormous potential, if the team doesn't screw it up. Alex Perezhogin could be a servicable NHL winger, although he will never be a big scorer. Duncan Milroy will not be even that in all likelyhood. Tomas Plekanec is on the verge of NHL duty, although he too will be a fringe player in all probability. Olivier Michaud, who would have been draft eligible in 2001, has been a pleasant surprise as a free agent signing, but he has a long way to go.

2002 brought Chris Higgins who fits into the same category as Perezhogin and Plekanec. Not exceptional in any one area, but a decent all round blend of assets, that will make him a marginal NHL player. The rest of the draft, with the possible exception of 9th rounder Konstantin Korneev is best forgotten.

2003 offers little hope, although it is still early. Kastitsyn did nothing to show why he should have been the 10th overall draft pick. The rest of the draftees had unremarkable years as well. No one stepped up to make it look like he was better than given credit for a year ago. The 2003 draft could be a complete washout.
I'm really sorry, but you should learn a thing or two before you start posting stupid jibberish. Your post is either bias or stupid....because their all still young, and I have seen some of the guys you mentioned play...I have met most of them, and what your saying is simply not true.

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I'm a lot more realistic than any of you are. Go back 10 years, if you're not happy with 5. There are only about a dozen of the 100 odd players the team has drafted over that time in the NHL. Only one of them classifies as an "above average" NHL player, Jose Theodore. That is mainly based on one season, as well. He was mediocre to average prior to that season, and has been average to below average as an NHL goaltender since that season.

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This isn't a year in review, the thread should be called "Habs prospects overrated" or "everyone sucks, I hate everyone".

"For a team that is supposed to have a top group of prospects, the Habs got precious little from them this past season" -- as other posters have mentioned it's too soon to cast off guys from the last couple of drafts. I think you're being too simplistic by downgrading the prospects just because they didn't play in the NHL this year.

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I'm a lot more realistic than any of you are. Go back 10 years, if you're not happy with 5. There are only about a dozen of the 100 odd players the team has drafted over that time in the NHL. Only one of them classifies as an "above average" NHL player, Jose Theodore. That is mainly based on one season, as well. He was mediocre to average prior to that season, and has been average to below average as an NHL goaltender since that season.
And here it continues. AS and TT are good drafters and you can't compare this team's administration with the one in place 10 years ago in regard of drafts. Théo only an average goalie... :troll:

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turnbuckle if you're going to get all polysyllibic on us, at least use the words in proper context. What are you trying to do, impress us with how well you've mastered English as a second language?

There were 4 players on CSKA who were the same age or younger than Kastitsyn who played more than he did last season. Don't give me the nonsense about coach who doesn't play young players. Nylander, if I'm not mistaken is a couple of years older than Forsberg and Naslund. Not that he hasn't put up some decent numbers on his own.

Ask any scout which player's stock has dropped the most from the 2003 draft, I'll bet the majority would name Kastitsyn.

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For a team that is supposed to have a top group of prospects, the Habs got precious little from them this past season. Of all the players they have drafted in the past 5 years, only one, Mike Komisarek played any amount for the team. Even Komisarek was only a part time player and a frequent scratch. No prospect stepped up this year in any significant way aside from Michael Ryder who was an 8th round draft pick from 1998 and wasn't even considered among the team's best prospects a year ago.

From the 1999 draft there is nothing to show. Alex Buturlin is a marginal player back in Russia, Matt Carkner is in the minor leagues in another organization, Matt Shasby and M.A. Thinel are ECHL players at 23 years of age.

The 2000 draft is not looking well at the moment, either. Ron Hainsey has a world of talent, but he doesn't seem to want to play for the Habs. He will go elsewhere and become a good NHL defenceman, likely. Marcel Hossa isn't the sharpest tool in the drawer, and seems destined for mediocrity despite good physical assets. The guy who was shaping up as the best pick from the draft, Josef Balej, was the prospect the Rangers chose in the deal for Alexei Kovalev.

2001 should have been the Habs big year at the draft table, although it is looking less likely, now. Komisarek has enormous potential, if the team doesn't screw it up. Alex Perezhogin could be a servicable NHL winger, although he will never be a big scorer. Duncan Milroy will not be even that in all likelyhood. Tomas Plekanec is on the verge of NHL duty, although he too will be a fringe player in all probability. Olivier Michaud, who would have been draft eligible in 2001, has been a pleasant surprise as a free agent signing, but he has a long way to go.

2002 brought Chris Higgins who fits into the same category as Perezhogin and Plekanec. Not exceptional in any one area, but a decent all round blend of assets, that will make him a marginal NHL player. The rest of the draft, with the possible exception of 9th rounder Konstantin Korneev is best forgotten.

2003 offers little hope, although it is still early. Kastitsyn did nothing to show why he should have been the 10th overall draft pick. The rest of the draftees had unremarkable years as well. No one stepped up to make it look like he was better than given credit for a year ago. The 2003 draft could be a complete washout.
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turnbuckle if you're going to get all polysyllibic on us,
I'm sorry, but insulting people for their English only to spell the word wrong... That's just embarassing.

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He was mediocre to average prior to that season, and has been average to below average as an NHL goaltender since that season.
Going to the All-Star game this year DOES spell mediocrity.

Just stop, please...

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Ask any scout which player's stock has dropped the most from the 2003 draft, I'll bet the majority would name Kastitsyn.[/QUOTE]

I'll do that when I interview several scouts for the upcoming draft, as I do every year. Trouble is, most of them aren't going to be able to offer a very informed opinion on him, and I'm sure, unlike you, they won't be adamant in their evaluations.
You see, most scouts, unlike you, are not prone to knee-jerk reactions on players they have not viewed in the past season.

P.S. - I hope those words aren't too big for you. I'm anxiously awaiting your response after you've put down your "Playtime" Dictionary.

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I don't need a dictionary for the words, but I really don't see the point of using them out of context or purely for effect. It just seems contrived.

Theodore went to the All Star Game this year on reputation more than anything else. He has not been exceptional this season.


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turnbuckle if you're going to get all polysyllibic on us, at least use the words in proper context. What are you trying to do, impress us with how well you've mastered English as a second language?

There were 4 players on CSKA who were the same age or younger than Kastitsyn who played more than he did last season. Don't give me the nonsense about coach who doesn't play young players. Nylander, if I'm not mistaken is a couple of years older than Forsberg and Naslund. Not that he hasn't put up some decent numbers on his own.

Ask any scout which player's stock has dropped the most from the 2003 draft, I'll bet the majority would name Kastitsyn.
Sorry to disturb you. I don't know where these players play, 1st, 2nd, ... Maybe there are used to fight, in the check line or whatever. Kattisyn is not that type player or he has to play in 2 first line, or nothing. AS had chosen him not because he was good in defense but beause his huge offensive skill, IMO. That's why Montreal took Jason Ward instead of Marian Hossa I trust AS.

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