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09-19-2009, 12:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's 2.15 per year. If it were 2.15 total, Dubinsky would already be signed.
Yeah, I think it's 2.15 per.

Glen should take that. Dubinsky has arbitration next year and if he has a good year with Gabs, he could get 3.5-4M. At least we'd have him for another year at 2.15M. It's still cheaper than what Callahan would be making next year.

Do we even have the cap room to fit 2M at this point?

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Yeah, I think it's 2.15 per.

Glen should take that. Dubinsky has arbitration next year and if he has a good year with Gabs, he could get 3.5-4M. At least we'd have him for another year at 2.15M. It's still cheaper than what Callahan would be making next year.

Do we even have the cap room to fit 2M at this point?
So we're talking 4.3 million for 2 years?

Say he gets the 2009-2010 contract he deserves - 700,000. That means in the 2010-2011 season he'll be making 3.6 million.

That's real close. Still think Dubinsky needs to come down a bit. Cally got what 2 million for 40 points? I'm not paying a guy 3.6 million when I'm not sure he's going to beat his previous 40 points by that much, especially when that 40 is worth 2 million. That'd be 1.5 million overpayment.

I'd say 2 years for no more than 3.6 million.

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09-19-2009, 12:20 PM
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No report has suggested that it's 2.15 per year. All we know right now is that Dubi is looking for 1.1 a season.

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09-19-2009, 12:21 PM
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While Overhardt would not provide specific information regarding the proposals, it is believed that Dubinsky is now seeking a one-year deal for approximately $1.1 million or a two-year deal for approximately $2.15 million.

General manager Glen Sather, who declined the opportunity to weigh in on his conversation yesterday with Overhardt, is believed holding fast to a one-year offer of $700,000 or a two-year offer of approximately $1.85 million.
The way I read it is "total" Otherwise, I believe the word "per" would have been inserted.

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09-19-2009, 12:24 PM
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The way I read it is "total" Otherwise, I believe the word "per" would have been inserted.
Now that I think about it..does it really matter?

Either way, they're $400,000 off on the one year deal and $300,000 off on the two year deal.

Some reason IMO the two year deal seems like the one that's going to get done.

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Can't believe Sather isn't signing him. Idiotic.

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09-19-2009, 12:28 PM
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Can't believe Sather isn't signing him. Idiotic.
Because he has no negotiating rights. That's it. That's the business. Listen. He wasn't worth 1.1 million last year. He had 3 good weeks in the beginning of the season. It's the way it is. He should take the 700,000 and commit to proving he's worth more. Right now, his value is dropping dramatically across the league because no sports team likes a snot nose kid trying to milk their franchise for something he's not worth.

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Now that I think about it..does it really matter?

Either way, they're $400,000 off on the one year deal and $300,000 off on the two year deal.

Some reason IMO the two year deal seems like the one that's going to get done.
Actually, in terms of cap space, it matters. And, if it was "$2.15 million per" that Dubi is asking for, the way the sentence reads, you would also think that the Rangers were offering "$1.85 million per", which would mean both sides would agree that Dubi would be worth $3 million next year. I don't think that would be the case.

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The way I read it is "total" Otherwise, I believe the word "per" would have been inserted.
So he's going to make less per year on a 2 year deal? That doesn't make sense. It has to be 2.15 per year. If it was 2.15 total, Glen would have already signed him.

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09-19-2009, 12:31 PM
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Just sign him already, Slats.

Those are both good offers from Dubinsky. Especially the two year deal.

You'll have him cost controlled for two years.

And then at that point Grachev and Anisimov will have been in the NHL already. And Kreider and Stepan may be stepping in in two years. So you'll have the option of resigning him or letting him walk.

Just do it.

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09-19-2009, 12:34 PM
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So he's going to make less per year on a 2 year deal? That doesn't make sense. It has to be 2.15 per year. If it was 2.15 total, Glen would have already signed him.

Again, read the paragraph...if the information Brooks has is correct, your saying both Dubinsky and the Rangers agree he's worth $3 million next year. I doubt that's the case.

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Because he has no negotiating rights. That's it. That's the business. Listen. He wasn't worth 1.1 million last year. He had 3 good weeks in the beginning of the season. It's the way it is. He should take the 700,000 and commit to proving he's worth more. Right now, his value is dropping dramatically across the league because no sports team likes a snot nose kid trying to milk their franchise for something he's not worth.
Let's looks at other 2006 draftees picked ahead of him

Dubinsky career-80 points in 2 years

Olesz-86 points in 3 years-$2.3 million a year
Wolski-146 points in 3 years-$3.1 million a year
Bolland-80 points in 2 years-$3.75 a year
Booth-110 points in 2.5 years-$3.35 a year

And now those behind him

Krejci-100 points in 2 years-$3.5 million a year
Franzen-143 points in 4 year-$5.5 million a year
Callahan....you guys know his numbers
Versteeg-57 points in 1 year-$3 million a year


Dubi is a STEAL for $1.1 million. It would be robbery. Frankly, he's worth double.

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Again, read the paragraph...if the information Brooks has is correct, your saying both Dubinsky and the Rangers agree he's worth $3 million next year. I doubt that's the case.
I have read it. Remember, this offer came from Dubinsky's camp. You really think they are saying they'll accept 1.1 on a 1 year deal and 1.075 per year on a 2 year deal? How does that make any sense? Dubinsky isn't giving up a year of arbitration so he can be paid less that what he wants on a 1 year deal.

Edit: And no, if both Dubinsky and the Rangers agreed on that, he'd be signed. That's what Dubinsky is asking for.


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Lowball your player who has put up points in the NHL and give Gilroy 1.75m...hmmm

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Lowball your player who has put up points in the NHL and give Gilroy 1.75m...hmmm
Comparing contracts of an UFA to a RFA (without arbitration)... hmmm

I like oranges better than apples.

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Comparing contracts of an UFA to a RFA (without arbitration)... hmmm

I like oranges better than apples.
Really doesn't even matter.

UFA who has never even played in the NHL or a RFA who has...hmmmm learn to manage Sather.


Priorities .

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Comparing contracts of an UFA to a RFA (without arbitration)... hmmm

I like oranges better than apples.
I just listed a bunch of RFA's who all are getting considerably more than Dubi while not being considerably better.

How you like them apples?

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09-19-2009, 01:40 PM
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Yeah Sather should negotiate like a complete idiot with his RFAs too just so he matches other GMs, most others are taking his strategy of horrendous UFA ones so he has to even it out.

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I'm amazed that this topic has gotten 3 different threads and people still don't understand the difference between giving Gilroy money as an UFA and not giving Dubinsky as much money as a RFA.

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Let's looks at other 2006 draftees picked ahead of him

Dubinsky career-80 points in 2 years

Olesz-86 points in 3 years-$2.3 million a year
Wolski-146 points in 3 years-$3.1 million a year
Bolland-80 points in 2 years-$3.75 a year
Booth-110 points in 2.5 years-$3.35 a year

And now those behind him

Krejci-100 points in 2 years-$3.5 million a year
Franzen-143 points in 4 year-$5.5 million a year
Callahan....you guys know his numbers
Versteeg-57 points in 1 year-$3 million a year


Dubi is a STEAL for $1.1 million. It would be robbery. Frankly, he's worth double.
Were all of these in the same position as Dubi (RFA, no arbitration rights)?

If not, the number above are irrelevant.

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I'm amazed that this topic has gotten 3 different threads and people still don't understand the difference between giving Gilroy money as an UFA and not giving Dubinsky as much money as a RFA.
Have you seen how much Sather gave Drury!!! He plays the same position as Dubinsky!!


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I'm amazed that this topic has gotten 3 different threads and people still don't understand the difference between giving Gilroy money as an UFA and not giving Dubinsky as much money as a RFA.
Toronto was in the Gilroy mix, too, and offered him more than $700,000.00

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If the preseason is any indication, then Gilroy's contract is a bargain.

He's an impact player.

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We are getting closer to the point where Dubinsky's availability on opening night may be in question. Under Torts', I don't think he's going to walk in and play without some camp.

With Kessel signed, is Duby the last NHL holdout?

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Please. How can you even mention Dubi in the same company as Heatley and Kessel? Dubi doesn't come close. Time to move on. Nice knowing you Dubi. Good luck wherever you end up.

I don't know about coming close.

Kessel, only put up more points (on a season basis) this past season. Prior to that, his total points were lower than Dubinsky's totals; for his first two seasons.

Healtey? Yeah, Dubi can't touch him in point production. But Dubi is a better all around player. Heatley's a bit slack in any other areas, other than point production.

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