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09-20-2009, 08:14 AM
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Trading some of the young players

Hi guys,

I really feel this needs to be addressed, we are going to be in Salary Cap Hell next year unless we get some relief, with these players either RFA's or UFA's

S.kos
Lapierre
Chipchura
D'Ago
Stewart
Latendresse
Price
Halak

Now along with them we also have Plekanac, I really think that this season will need to be a determining factor in many of there futures with the organization, we just don't have the space to keep all of them. Obviously Lapierre will be back and one of Price and Halak will be, but who else do you think will be back for next year? and in that line of thought do you think we should trade some for assests.

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09-20-2009, 08:23 AM
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Hi guys,

I really feel this needs to be addressed, we are going to be in Salary Cap Hell next year unless we get some relief, with these players either RFA's or UFA's

S.kos
Lapierre
Chipchura
D'Ago
Stewart
Latendresse
Price
Halak

Now along with them we also have Plekanac, I really think that this season will need to be a determining factor in many of there futures with the organization, we just don't have the space to keep all of them. Obviously Lapierre will be back and one of Price and Halak will be, but who else do you think will be back for next year? and in that line of thought do you think we should trade some for assests.
If you are aware of all the trade rumors involving the habs in the last months, they are all about trading some of our prospects for a established player, ideally a center. So I think the situation has been acknowledged by the management.

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09-20-2009, 08:24 AM
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Hi guys,

I really feel this needs to be addressed, we are going to be in Salary Cap Hell next year unless we get some relief, with these players either RFA's or UFA's

S.kos
Lapierre
Chipchura
D'Ago
Stewart
Latendresse
Price
Halak

Now along with them we also have Plekanac, I really think that this season will need to be a determining factor in many of there futures with the organization, we just don't have the space to keep all of them. Obviously Lapierre will be back and one of Price and Halak will be, but who else do you think will be back for next year? and in that line of thought do you think we should trade some for assests.
We have to trade Hamrlik ... we can't afford to keep his salary if the salary cap stays as is or goes down. That to me is the key .. Players I think will stay beyond this season of the ones you name above:

Lapierre
Latendresse
Price
D'Agostini
Stewart

Players who I think won't be with us next season:

S.Kost
Chipchura
Halak
Plekanec

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09-20-2009, 08:34 AM
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Too early for me to even think about it. Let them play and see what happens. Some of them don't have much trade value now, some of them will have even less at the end of the season, and maybe some will just be cut loose instead of being traded. That's fine, that's the way it goes.

I *hope* that all the players stay with us long-term. Because that will mean they all had good seasons and are helping the team. Plekanec is the only one who I feel is already identifiable as a likely departure, though, due to his contract situation. The rest it's all down to how they play this year, how they impress the staff.

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I really hope Bob works some magic and clears enough space to send a big offer to Kovalchuk. Something tells me he's going to test the FA market if the thrashers still suck this year.

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Too early this will only be thought about a month or two into the season after management sees where things are going. A minor trade might be done at the end of camp but I would be surprised.

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Well, can't really say who's in and who's out...

To much depends on the season, on the contract demands, and on the center we might get in a trade. Because YES i think there will be a trade at some point this season, including plekanec and young players/prospects (all speculation here). But if you get a Carter, it won't be the same players than if you get a marleau...(EXEMPLES HERE)

So taking all this into account, at least before Xmas is to early to tell

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We have to trade Hamrlik ... we can't afford to keep his salary if the salary cap stays as is or goes down. That to me is the key ..
Yes, it is indeed key to create an enormous hole on defense.

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I'm not worried.

These are all RFAs. Unless they have *really* big year, theres not much leverage.

Couple of the veterans (Metro, Mara) will be off the books.

Halak will propably traded anyway and the only players I see taking big raises to what their cap hit is now are Kostitsyn jr and Latendresse - provided they have a breakout year.

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I wouldn't be shocked one bit to see Sergei and possibly even Halak traded in the course of the season, with Chipchura as a throw-in. Andrei might even join that group and Plekanec would have to be included if Gainey can get his hands on a big offensive center.

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Way too early to even think about next years cap. We need these young players to play the way they can and give us a good run for the playoffs.

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Players who I think won't be with us next season:

S.Kost
Chipchura
Halak
Plekanec

I dont agree with S. Kost going to leave next year. Gainey is in love with the Kost brothers and there our future. I do believe we are in demand for a big center. I like the kovachuk idea. Gainey is in good relations with the GM there. Honestly who else would Gainey be look at Marleau? ugh i doubt it..sharks have done enough this season inquiring the services from heatley. Sundin? haha yeah right. Retire already damn it.

Any names that come to mind for big centers that we could possibly trade for?

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I wouldn't be shocked one bit to see Sergei and possibly even Halak traded in the course of the season, with Chipchura as a throw-in. Andrei might even join that group and Plekanec would have to be included if Gainey can get his hands on a big offensive center.
Yo dawg,

You just traded the whole farm and 1/3 of the top 6. Same with back-up/quasi-starter goalie.

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09-20-2009, 11:01 AM
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i see deals happening but there's this alarming trend which has now begun - after a few years of 'celebrating' the system - and that is dealing or letting our first rounders walk - or trading them since 2001...

komi, higgins, 1st for tanguay, macdonag, now talk of andrei, chipchura...

am i missing anyone?

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Any names that come to mind for big centers that we could possibly trade for?
Jordan Staal
Jason Arnott
Patrice Bergeron
Michal Handzus
Jeff Carter
Ryan Kesler

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Jordan Staal
Jason Arnott
Patrice Bergeron
Michal Handzus
Jeff Carter
Ryan Kesler
None of them are available. Jokinen at the trade deadline would had been the ideal big centre. Forget Lecavalier of course. Handzus in overpriced and he is a third line center, anyway. Patrice Bergeron is not big, and I don't foresee a Bruins-Habs deal in any near future.

I would like to see a trade for Frolov, though. Has he re-signed with the Kings yet ?


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None of them are available. Jokinen at the trade deadline would had been the ideal big centre. Forget Lecavalier of course. Handzus in overpriced. Patrice Bergeron is not big.
how about jason allison

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i see deals happening but there's this alarming trend which has now begun - after a few years of 'celebrating' the system - and that is dealing or letting our first rounders walk - or trading them since 2001...

komi, higgins, 1st for tanguay, macdonag, now talk of andrei, chipchura...

am i missing anyone?
Does it finally mean that the Habs suck at drafting 1st round players ?

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how about jason allison
Now that a good idea

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how about jason allison
or Sundin ?

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I personally see the two Kosty bro's as late bloomers in the NHL and future PPG guys. I know you guys will crucify me for saying this, especially regarding S. Kost, but I think 1 more year in the AHL would've done wonders for his development and for his overall attitude.

Sort of like how the Sedin's were late bloomers, they just need some time and patience. Andrei is already starting to show that he might just be a late bloomer. Sergei, well he's had a rocky start. I think trading these two guys would be a big mistake.

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Yo dawg,

You just traded the whole farm and 1/3 of the top 6. Same with back-up/quasi-starter goalie.
I didn't trade anyone, I said I wouldn't be shocked of they were gone. Don't forget that in trades, other players come the other way.

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Plek replaced by maxwell.
Hammer replaced by a youngster, not to mention o'byrne will make the team full-time.

Seems fairly simple. Unless d'ags or wtv gets 30 goals, i don't see a kessel contract.

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I personally see the two Kosty bro's as late bloomers in the NHL and future PPG guys. I know you guys will crucify me for saying this, especially regarding S. Kost, but I think 1 more year in the AHL would've done wonders for his development and for his overall attitude.

Sort of like how the Sedin's were late bloomers, they just need some time and patience. Andrei is already starting to show that he might just be a late bloomer. Sergei, well he's had a rocky start. I think trading these two guys would be a big mistake.
I won't crucify you, I agree. I think you take the Kostitsyns, put them in a team like Nashville where they are automatically top 6 players and they'll produce 60-70 pts naturally.

Everyone pimped Sergei as a future 70-80 points player before last season and now it's the exact opposite... I'm glad I didn't drink that kool-aid. Sergei has raw talent and I'm willing to give him time. Now if he doesn't acknowledge that, then parting ways with him will be done in easier circumstances.

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I think this team is done with the Impact Big Centre hunts, if they were ever really looking for one. If both AK & SK give a really slow performance this year, I think they'll be the first the be sent away as I think they're the only ones that could attract interest

Otherwise, we'll simply risk losing some prospects on waivers all year. The team wouldn't care, specially if AK or SK or both are dynamite.

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