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09-21-2009, 02:17 PM
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Has he given any praise to Fletch for signing Finger?
Or Jamal Mayers?

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09-21-2009, 02:22 PM
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Alot of thought put into that response. You do realise Burke complimented JFJ on a few occasions on the Kaberle contract?
No one denies the term and amount..it was just JFJ's policy of 1-800-NTC-4ALL that really @!##ed this team up for a while. And it wasn't like they were for superstars of the league. At least Fletch was able to bring in something and make the best of it. Being a GM has a lot more to do with scouting/drafting..a lot more...some of his moves: we lost Rask for Raycroft, we could've had Carter+1st for Kaberle but didn't go through, We could've had Higgins,1st,Grabo for Sundin but didn't go through, Kubina would've been on the Sharks for package better than the recent one, etc. etc. It's not like he picked gems either with our Stalberg and Gunnarsson were good picks but again not steals of the draft...plus a lot of credit should go to the actual scouting dept.


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09-21-2009, 02:26 PM
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It's like owning a business/company. As owner, you hire the people you want to make decisions, then they do the same. In the end, the owner is the one ultimately responsible for everything and they pay the price if it is doing poorly, but they also gain if the business/company is doing well.
i suppose... there were probably ppl who helped influence him in signing blake and the like, so i guess if i dont blame them for that i should probably give fergie a little credit for the drafting

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09-21-2009, 02:29 PM
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Has he given any praise to Fletch for signing Finger?
Well he signed Fletch to another contract so he couldn't be that upset about it.

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09-21-2009, 02:30 PM
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I did like the scouting staff Ferguson had. They drafted a lot of swedish prospects in later rounds that seem to have potential. Gunnarsson looks real solid to me, and so does Stalberg.

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Or Jamal Mayers?
Or Luke Schenn?

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09-21-2009, 02:32 PM
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Or Jamal Mayers?
Nope. But Burke and Nonis get drunk and giggle like 12 yr girls at Rask for Raycroft.

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09-21-2009, 02:32 PM
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Or Luke Schenn?
Or trading for Hollweg, but maybe fletch got Hollweg and Orr mixed up, then Burkie fixed it...

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09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
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Or Luke Schenn?
It's so funny. People stand up for JFJ's drafting and ignore the 10+ horrendous, disastrous moves he made. Then they insult Fletch's moves but ignore his drafting. Amazing how some of these fans are. What a joke.

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09-21-2009, 02:47 PM
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JFJ was nothing short of a freakin' disaster. As far as his drafting, I have a hard time believing any GM goes out and scouts players that will go in the late rounds, that's just scouts doing their jobs. JFJ did nothing positive, but he doesn't deserve all the crap, MLSE ownership had more influence then anyone, Peddie and Co. are the one's who make the decisions, or should I say, MADE the decisions. One of the best parts of Burke coming in was knowing ownership wouldn't be as hands-on as they have been in the past. Stick to building condo's or whatever you do Peddie, hands off my hockey team thank you very much.

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09-21-2009, 02:50 PM
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Fergie and his draft crew, during his time here, actually did a solid job. I'm sure if he was given the rebuild mandate from management he would have left a different legacy here. but they wanted the playoffs and 1st round picks and young talent went out the door. kinda like right now....

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Fergie was good at 2 things:

1. Drafting in late rounds (had no choice - he traded away all of our early picks)

2. Signing Kaberle and Sundin to a great contracts

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Nope. But Burke and Nonis get drunk and giggle like 12 yr girls at Rask for Raycroft.
Brian Burke inherited a Canucks team without decent starting goaltending and not being able to get a fix for that plagued his whole tenure there. He knows what Ferguson was trying to do.

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Fergie was good at 2 things:

1. Drafting in late rounds (had no choice - he traded away all of our early picks)

2. Signing Kaberle and Sundin to a great contracts
and made some excellent waiver pickups

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Has he given any praise to Fletch for signing Finger?
Re-signing Grabovski and calling Luke Schenn untouchable sound like praise to me.

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No one questioned his drafting..perhaps Tlusty, which I didn't like but whatever...but he did nothing good or positive otherwise..people think the Kaberle contract was great..yeah that's also the contract that pervented us from getting Carter+1st. JFJ u @#$#$er
Honestly, I'm glad we never got carter. From what I saw in the preseason, he looks out of place, lazy, and unwilling to use his linemates. He's been shooting from everywhere and hitting nothing.

But back on track, JFJ did some things right, obviously with Stalberg. He looks to be a real gem. I just can't wait for october 1st.

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09-21-2009, 03:15 PM
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ya, brunnstrom has really lit it up in the nhl
I think Brunnstrom has done better tha Tlusty, I'm willing to Bet he does Better this year also. How many Goals did Brunnstom get last year any way.

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09-21-2009, 03:19 PM
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I think Brunnstrom has done better tha Tlusty, I'm willing to Bet he does Better this year also. How many Goals did Brunnstom get last year any way.
Isn't Brunnstrom 3 years older than Tlusty?

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Has he given any praise to Fletch for signing Finger?
no be he has said over and over that he wished he could take credit for drafting Schenn. He praises the good stuff. You don't hear Burke praising JFJ for bringing in Blake.

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09-21-2009, 03:24 PM
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I think Brunnstrom has done better tha Tlusty, I'm willing to Bet he does Better this year also. How many Goals did Brunnstom get last year any way.
17 goals in 55 games, cost of Tlusty 11th overall pick, price of Brunnstom nothing, Priceless.

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09-21-2009, 03:27 PM
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no be he has said over and over that he wished he could take credit for drafting Schenn. He praises the good stuff. You don't hear Burke praising JFJ for bringing in Blake.
NO one gives more effort every night than Blake, he's absolutely Fearless going to the NET and show's no signs of slowing down at 34, if he keeps up playing like he did last year Fergy got a Bargain.

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ya, brunnstrom has really lit it up in the nhl
Because he has been in the NHL for 4 years now...growing pains ftw.

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09-21-2009, 03:35 PM
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JFjr did a poor job.

Fletcher was worse.

Burke finally has us on the right track.

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Ok, who did Fergie bring in?

Raycroft- That move was horrible, but at the time, Raycroft just won the calder....How would you feel if the Leafs brought in Steve Mason??

Kubina- On average he could be counted for 12 goals, 40 points, and was a good leader. At 5 mil per season, he wasn't wildly overpaid, if at all.

Blake- This contract looked terrible, but remember that Jason was battling cancer, and in the 1st year of his deal, it is safe to say he had other things on his mind. He produces 60+ points for a cap hit of what, 4 million? That isn't a half bad contract

Toskala- This is the one move that I regret...Toskala still has a chance to prove himself, but to JFJ's defense, he traded for him when he was coming off of a 26-10 season. If Toskala put up those numbers here, we'd be playoff bound for sure. But giving up that 1st round pick was a mistake.

Those are the main ones. His drafting was pretty good, imo.

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09-21-2009, 03:50 PM
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It's so funny. People stand up for JFJ's drafting and ignore the 10+ horrendous, disastrous moves he made. Then they insult Fletch's moves but ignore his drafting. Amazing how some of these fans are. What a joke.
Noone is ignoring the awful moves he made, or trying to potray his tenure here as a good thing. YOU are ignoring the few positives that did occur with him at the helm. This is quite plain to see.

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