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09-22-2009, 08:22 AM
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Boone - About Camp

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Love this part

This will outrage a great player's loyal fans, but here goes: At this stage of their careers, Scott Gomez is a better 1 than Saku Koivu. Younger, faster, more creative, makes better use of his linemates. Is he tougher or more courageous than the departed Captain? We'll see. But Gomez has had a great camp

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" Mike Cammalleri is better than Alex Tanguay. He's quicker, a more matural scorer and probably touch wood will be more durable. "

Yes, Squids goals are all mature in nature

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• Are you sitting down to read this? At this stage of their careers, Brian Gionta is a better player than Alex Kovalev. Much ... I mean MUCH faster. Accelerates instantly, which is giving defencemen fits. Gionta shoots the puck, rather than dicking around with fancy passes on the perimeter. And what a tough little guy. I LOVED Gionta going after Malkin for a hit he didn't like last night. The Bell Centre is developing a new love affair.

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Interesting that he equates Cammalleri with Tanguay and Gionta with Kovalev. In my mind, Cammy corresponds to Kovy (offensive PP-oriented shooter) and Gionta corresponds to Tanguay (two-way even-strength dynamo).

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Interesting that he equates Cammalleri with Tanguay and Gionta with Kovalev. In my mind, Cammy corresponds to Kovy (offensive PP-oriented shooter) and Gionta corresponds to Tanguay (two-way even-strength dynamo).
I'm guessing it has to do with the position they play.

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From what I saw last night (First time I see Gionta this preseason) I think he'll be my new favorite player on the habs. He doesn't stop working!!! Its a pleasure to watch him compared to some of the lazy ***** we had last year. Hopefully he can crack 30 goals this year, I would be very happy with that production.

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My fave part was "optiomism". I know it's a simple mistype but it's just funny.

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Good read. Pretty much sums up my thoughts too.

Only thing is that I find the critique on Mara and Gill a bit early given that we really haven't seen much of them. Mara in particular.

By the way does anybody have any info on Mara's injury?

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Good read. Pretty much sums up my thoughts too.

Only thing is that I find the critique on Mara and Gill a bit early given that we really haven't seen much of them. Mara in particular.

By the way does anybody have any info on Mara's injury?
All we know is that it's a lower body injury

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All we know is that it's a lower body injury
Thanks. Good chances it's a groin in that case I'd guess.

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Boone, or should I say Baboon, is a *********. The way he compared Gionta and Kovalev could be done with any two players.

Example:
Chris Neil is a much better player than Sidney Crosby. Chris Neil comes to the games and works really hard, gets people aggravated and runs to the net, and has more of a tendency to shoot the puck than Sidney Crosby. He doesn't try to do all kinds of fancy plays.

Stats don't lie:
Kovalev played 3 less games than Gionta yet had 5 points more last season. This is not accounting for the 2007-08 season where he had 33 more points than Gionta.

Am I saying that Gionta isn't a good player to have? No, but Gionta and Kovalev's method of scoring goals are a bit different. In the end, Kovalev is more productive than Gionta.

Boone is about as good as long as people agree with him. Biased? Most definitely to the point where it conflicts with reality.

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Boone, or should I say Baboon, is a *********. The way he compared Gionta and Kovalev could be done with any two players.

Example:
Chris Neil is a much better player than Sidney Crosby. Chris Neil comes to the games and works really hard, gets people aggravated and runs to the net, and shoots pucks a lot more than Sidney Crosby. He doesn't try to do all kinds of fancy plays.

Stats don't lie:
Kovalev played 3 less games than Gionta yet had 5 points more last season. This is not accounting for the 2007-08 season where he had 33 more points than Gionta.

Am I saying that Gionta isn't a good player to have? No, but Gionta and Kovalev's method of scoring goals are a bit different. In the end, Kovalev is more productive than Gionta.

Boone is about as good as long as people agree with him. Biased? Most definitely to the point where it conflicts with reality.
Because you aren't biased at all or anything either...

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Because you aren't biased at all or anything either...
Biased or not, more points = more productivity. Gionta will never be Kovalev's replacement and Boone is a loud mouthed idiot. Difference between Boone and I is I'm not informing the common people about news of the Montreal Canadiens, Boone is.

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Biased or not, more points = more productivity.
More points / ice time = more productivity.

Gionta is the more productive player 5-on-5, Kovalev more of a PP specialist. Like I said, Gionta replaces Tanguay more, while Cammalleri is Kovalev's replacement.

There's also the question of who is the better defensive player, and Gionta has the edge there as well.

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Biased or not, more points = more productivity. Gionta will never be Kovalev's replacement and Boone is a loud mouthed idiot. Difference between Boone and I is I'm not informing the common people about news of the Montreal Canadiens, Boone is.
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More points / ice time = more productivity.

Gionta is the more productive player 5-on-5, Kovalev more of a PP specialist. Like I said, Gionta replaces Tanguay more, while Cammalleri is Kovalev's replacement.

There's also the question of who is the better defensive player, and Gionta has the edge there as well.
And although i'm not there, i would also argue that I like the atmosphere Gionta seems to bring more to the Canadiens entourage then Kovalev. He shows up and works his butt off every night, and that sort of attitude is contagious. Players see Gio work his butt off and they want to do the same thing. With Kovalev, if other players see him taking a night off, they might feel they can do the same thing. Especially around our younger players, having Gionta being a professional on and off the ice will do wonders for them.

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Interesting that he equates Cammalleri with Tanguay and Gionta with Kovalev. In my mind, Cammy corresponds to Kovy (offensive PP-oriented shooter) and Gionta corresponds to Tanguay (two-way even-strength dynamo).
none of them compare, both your comparisons and Boone's are improper.

However I see where he is coming from.

Camm was THE target after getting Gomez.
Getting Gomez instantly eliminated Tanguay (too similar)

So Camm replaces Tanguay.

Gionta was part of a target group (or maybe the sole UFA?) to get a similar offer to Kovalev, to replace Kovalev in the event negos with Kovy would not go as planned, etc. Gionta accepted, Kovalev got booted.

So, I totally agree with Boone.

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none of them compare, both your comparisons and Boone's are improper.
Not in the style of players they're not, regardless of the details of the mechanics of how they were added to the team. Cammy and Kovy are PP shooters, Tanguay and Gionta are two-way ES players, and Gomez and Koivu are all-around centers. In terms of effect on the team that's the closest comparisons/replacements, so if you look at the team as a whole that's who you should look to see where we upgraded (or not).

It's possible that Cammy was picked over Tanguay and Gionta over Kovalev on July first, but in terms of playstyle that's not the guys they are most like. Frankly, if we'd had both Kovalev and Cammalleri we might have ended up in trouble -- too many PP cooks, and not enough 5-on-5 oomph.

Although the comparison between Gomez and Tanguay (as even-strength playmakers) is reasonably good, one's a center and the other's a winger so that's not really a replacement. Besides, Tanguay was the Habs' most productive goal-scorer last year. And I still don't know why he wasn't retained.

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Boone, or should I say Baboon, is a *********. The way he compared Gionta and Kovalev could be done with any two players.

Example:
Chris Neil is a much better player than Sidney Crosby. Chris Neil comes to the games and works really hard, gets people aggravated and runs to the net, and has more of a tendency to shoot the puck than Sidney Crosby. He doesn't try to do all kinds of fancy plays.

Stats don't lie:
Kovalev played 3 less games than Gionta yet had 5 points more last season. This is not accounting for the 2007-08 season where he had 33 more points than Gionta.

Am I saying that Gionta isn't a good player to have? No, but Gionta and Kovalev's method of scoring goals are a bit different. In the end, Kovalev is more productive than Gionta.

Boone is about as good as long as people agree with him. Biased? Most definitely to the point where it conflicts with reality.
Gionta will score goals in a variety of ways...from the outside, on the rush, rebound, tip in, goal mouth scrum, etc.

Kovalev will score goals mainly from the perimeter.

That's not a knock on Kovalev, but his game is very predictable...it's great when things are working for him, however, when they're not he's too stubborn to try something else or contribute in a different way.

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Honestly what I love most about the new guys is their presumed attitudes. They just bring fresh new faces to the Bell Centre and they seem to be great guys all around, who love the sport, are impressed by the city as of now, and are really enjoying themselves.

They all seem to have amazing work ethics as well, especially little Gionta. And I do believe these attitudes and work ethics combined with some cup experience will really make these guys instant models/leaders in the organization.

These are the kind of leaders and role models I would want as well, and to be honest at this point there is no doubt I take Gomez, Gionta, Cammalleri > Koivu, Tanguay, Kovalev. I love Koivu more than any player out there and Kovy too in his own way, but I want the attitudes and work ethic that the new guys bring and I love the clean slate approach that we are seeing.

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Not in the style of players they're not, regardless of the details of the mechanics of how they were added to the team. Cammy and Kovy are PP shooters, Tanguay and Gionta are two-way ES players, and Gomez and Koivu are all-around centers. In terms of effect on the team that's the closest comparisons/replacements, so if you look at the team as a whole that's who you should look to see where we upgraded (or not).

It's possible that Cammy was picked over Tanguay and Gionta over Kovalev on July first, but in terms of playstyle that's not the guys they are most like. Frankly, if we'd had both Kovalev and Cammalleri we might have ended up in trouble -- too many PP cooks, and not enough 5-on-5 oomph.

Although the comparison between Gomez and Tanguay (as even-strength playmakers) is reasonably good, one's a center and the other's a winger so that's not really a replacement. Besides, Tanguay was the Habs' most productive goal-scorer last year. And I still don't know why he wasn't retained.

agreed. good post.

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Boone, or should I say Baboon, is a *********. The way he compared Gionta and Kovalev could be done with any two players.

Example:
Chris Neil is a much better player than Sidney Crosby. Chris Neil comes to the games and works really hard, gets people aggravated and runs to the net, and has more of a tendency to shoot the puck than Sidney Crosby. He doesn't try to do all kinds of fancy plays.

Stats don't lie:
Kovalev played 3 less games than Gionta yet had 5 points more last season. This is not accounting for the 2007-08 season where he had 33 more points than Gionta.

Am I saying that Gionta isn't a good player to have? No, but Gionta and Kovalev's method of scoring goals are a bit different. In the end, Kovalev is more productive than Gionta.

Boone is about as good as long as people agree with him. Biased? Most definitely to the point where it conflicts with reality.
OOOOKAY. Hypocrite.

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Look man, no one replaces no one. We have a different dynamic:

Saku - Kovy - Tanguay = beautiful plays + beautiful goals
Gomez - Cammy - Gionta = fast plays + beautiful plays + beautiful goals + ugly goals

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Boone, or should I say Baboon, is a *********. The way he compared Gionta and Kovalev could be done with any two players.

Example:
Chris Neil is a much better player than Sidney Crosby. Chris Neil comes to the games and works really hard, gets people aggravated and runs to the net, and has more of a tendency to shoot the puck than Sidney Crosby. He doesn't try to do all kinds of fancy plays.

Stats don't lie:
Kovalev played 3 less games than Gionta yet had 5 points more last season. This is not accounting for the 2007-08 season where he had 33 more points than Gionta.

Am I saying that Gionta isn't a good player to have? No, but Gionta and Kovalev's method of scoring goals are a bit different. In the end, Kovalev is more productive than Gionta.

Boone is about as good as long as people agree with him. Biased? Most definitely to the point where it conflicts with reality.
Stats do lie if you fail to put them into perpsective

Kovalev time on PP last year 329:35 4:13/game
Gionta time on PP last year 196:24 2:25/game

5 more points in 3 games less... WOW!

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Stats do lie if you fail to put them into perpsective

Kovalev time on PP last year 329:35 4:13/game
Gionta time on PP last year 196:24 2:25/game

5 more points in 3 games less... WOW!
I was waiting for these stats...

Game, set & match.

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