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12-18-2016, 05:54 PM
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Four Steps to Turn the Arizona Coyotes Into Contenders

While no one was guaranteeing a post-season berth for the Arizona Coyotes there was a lot of optimism heading into this season. Yes, the Coyotes struggled down the stretch last season but the experience they gained combined with the young talent on the roster, 2016-17 was supposed to be a step forward for the organization. Instead nothing changed, but there is still time to turn the Arizona Coyotes into contenders.

http://lastwordonhockey.com/2016/12/...es-contenders/

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Step 1: Fire Dave Tippett.

Sorry, had to do it, just to beat a dead horse even more.

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Pretty vague points.

Goaltending isn't a huge issue, Smith won't be protected and if he gets claimed, he gets claimed and they'll move on with a Domingue/UFA platoon absent a good trade. Adin Hill is a very good goalie prospect, so that part of the article is overall a huge miss.

The Coyotes don't need another top 4. Already have OEL, Gogo, DeAngelo, Chychrun, Murphy. That leaves one spot for a specialist like Schenn. There aren't many good top 4s available at a reasonable rate at reasonable term available in summers.

There will be some money to spend but there's still an internal budget, as well as young players to sign and budget for.

At least you didn't tell us to trade OEL or something crazy

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#1 Patience.

#2 Long term goalie option

#3 Possibly a #1RHD

#4 More patience.

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12-18-2016, 06:15 PM
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Only 4 steps? I think we're closer to 12, which ironically is what many of the fans need as well from following the team.

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12-18-2016, 06:20 PM
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Only 4 steps? I think we're closer to 12, which ironically is what many of the fans need as well from following the team.

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Only 4 steps? I think we're closer to 12, which ironically is what many of the fans need as well from following the team.
Nah fans just skip to whichever step involves heavily drinking. Then we only need one.

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As brought up in the article, I wouldn't mind the idea you floated of bringing back Thomas Greiss. He could be a 1A with Domingue being a 1B, like a ~50/30 split. The thing I like about Greiss is that he won't post elite numbers but he plays pretty consistently (it's up in the air what he'd do with a starter's workload of 60+ starts, hence I like the 50/30 idea). His NHL career has gotten him .917 SV% and a 2.44 GAA, and he's very positionally sound based on the eye test watching him play when we had him last. It's something you can count on and build around, which is essentially what Chicago did with Corey Crawford, except that they gave him too much money (in my opinion).

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#1 Patience.

#2 Long term goalie option

#3 Possibly a #1RHD

#4 More patience.
I agree, but #3 is a must. A 1 C is a must also, so hopefully we can find one in our system or trade.

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Only 4 steps? I think we're closer to 12, which ironically is what many of the fans need as well from following the team.
12? I'd like to see that list.

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Pretty vague points.

Goaltending isn't a huge issue, Smith won't be protected and if he gets claimed, he gets claimed and they'll move on with a Domingue/UFA platoon absent a good trade. Adin Hill is a very good goalie prospect, so that part of the article is overall a huge miss.

The Coyotes don't need another top 4. Already have OEL, Gogo, DeAngelo, Chychrun, Murphy. That leaves one spot for a specialist like Schenn. There aren't many good top 4s available at a reasonable rate at reasonable term available in summers.

There will be some money to spend but there's still an internal budget, as well as young players to sign and budget for.

At least you didn't tell us to trade OEL or something crazy
I disagree. We desperately need a 1RD.

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I disagree. We desperately need a 1RD.
Agreed. 1RHD is our biggest need.

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Dave "Miracle Worker" Tippett managed to get a right side of Murphy, Stone, and Z to impress you so much last year that you thought we'd be in the 90 point range his year. We added Schenn and DeAngelo and lost the corpse of Z. Where's the improvement?
Why can't he get us to 500 this year if the RHD is the biggest problem? Lots of teams out there without 2 top dmen that still managed 500 or winning records. Why does Tippett now need a 1 RHD to be remotely competitive when he already has OEL? Do you know how many teams would be better with another franchise dman and franchise centerman? You're describing everyteam in the league.

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The Coyotes don't have the ammo to go and get a RHD that's a massive upgrade. Might not be enough money to sign one either in 2-3 years when guys are coming off their ELCs.

The team needs to play skill with skill up front. Even the best defense will look awful with zero offensive pressure.

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12? I'd like to see that list.
That joke >.


>your head.

I was making a 12 step reference, implying anyone following the coyotes needs help with a drinking problem.

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Interesting article. I see a need for a 1C and 1RHD, but not a goalie. I really worry that we swung and missed on Strome. Boy, would I like to be wrong on that impression. I haven't seen 1C out of Dvorak, at least not yet. Seems to me that we need to resign Hanzal. The disappointing play of our young centers makes this an unfortunate need. Keller is at least another year out, I would think. If Keller can light it up out of 1 year of college, then yeah, we could afford to trade away Hanzal.

We are set with top line forwards with Domi, Duclair, Reider and Perlini. We might add Fischer to that mix next year.

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Why can't he get us to 500 this year if the RHD is the biggest problem? Lots of teams out there without 2 top dmen that still managed 500 or winning records. Why does Tippett now need a 1 RHD to be remotely competitive when he already has OEL? Do you know how many teams would be better with another franchise dman and franchise centerman? You're describing everyteam in the league.
Because OEL and Domi are our only 1st liners right now. Pretty much everyone else would a 2nd/3rd liner on other teams. On a good team idk if anyone else would be on another teams 2nd line.

But that's just right now, in a couple years our guys (hopefully) will develop into legit top 6 talent. Once Strome, Dvo, and Keller develop we should be set at C. Perlini, Duclair, Fischer+ will hopefully become great wingers, and one of the previously mentioned C's could move to wing too.

On D we have quite a few guys who are/will be good second pairing options. Hopefully one will turn into a good partner for OEL
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The Coyotes don't have the ammo to go and get a RHD that's a massive upgrade. Might not be enough money to sign one either in 2-3 years when guys are coming off their ELCs.

The team needs to play skill with skill up front. Even the best defense will look awful with zero offensive pressure.
I agree that our D looks worse than it is due to our lack of skill with our forwards. Other than Domi everyone else is just avg (Hanzal, Vrbata, McGinn etc) or young and inconsistent (Duclair, Dvorak, Perlini) Patience is key with them.

And yeah we might not have the ammo to get one, they don't become availible often. But we could package one of our many 2nd pairing options with a forward prospect. The needs of the other team are key. I'm hoping the Jets will look at moving Trouba again, and with Morissey looking good they might not require a #1LHD as a return.

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That joke >.


>your head.

I was making a 12 step reference, implying anyone following the coyotes needs help with a drinking problem.
Drinking might not be a problem right now, it could be the solution

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Drinking might not be a problem right now, it could be the solution
I'd say it's both, just one is short term relief and one is a longer term consequence.

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Because OEL and Domi are our only 1st liners
Yet last year we frequently had Chip in the top six and still managed to not look this bad, despite adding Vrbata, McGinn, Chychrun, DeAngelo, Dvorak, Perlini, Crouse

Before the draft this team was supposed to be an 80 point team without any additions this year. What happened that dropped us back to the bottom of the barrel?

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Yet last year we frequently had Chip in the top six and still managed to not look this bad, despite adding Vrbata, McGinn, Chychrun, DeAngelo, Dvorak, Perlini, Crouse

Before the draft this team was supposed to be an 80 point team without any additions this year. What happened that dropped us back to the bottom of the barrel?
We lost Chipchura.

But seriously I think there's a combination of reasons. Our young players aren't playing as well as last year. Domi and Duke tore it up for the first few months last year. No one has looked that good/been that lucky thisyear. Our vets have also been worse Hanzal and OEL being the two with the biggest impact. The addition of more young players has caused to be more inconsistent and mistake prone. There's been a few games if it wasn't for 3 big turnovers the game would've been close. Also I think the other bad teams from last year have improved quite a bit which makes it harder for us to do well. Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg have all been good this year. Anaheim didn't start horribly like last year.

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We lost Chipchura.

But seriously I think there's a combination of reasons. Our young players aren't playing as well as last year. Domi and Duke tore it up for the first few months last year.
I thought that Duke and Domi are much better this year due to coaching? They aren't regressing. They're much better. I read that over and over?

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I thought that Duke and Domi are much better this year due to coaching? They aren't regressing. They're much better. I read that over and over?
Domi has looked better, but was unlucky, and now he's injured.
Duclair had a rough start and now thanks to Tippetts coaching strategies he looks like he's finding his way.

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What happened that dropped us back to the bottom of the barrel?
Youth and inexperience.

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That joke >.


>your head.

I was making a 12 step reference, implying anyone following the coyotes needs help with a drinking problem.
OK, although I don't fall into that area.

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