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10-02-2009, 01:51 PM
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The Guns of Hoculi select
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Damn, that was my pick.

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10-02-2009, 02:32 PM
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The Philadelphia Eagles are happy to select OT Roosevelt Brown


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10-02-2009, 04:45 PM
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The Philadelphia Eagles are happy to select OT Roosevelt Brown

Already selected by William H Bonney in post #89.

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10-02-2009, 04:53 PM
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I'll wait for Billy to pick again then.

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I think what it means is for sure you could have gotten better value for the pick, i.e. you could have waited a couple rounds and picked up Brady then, and grabbed someone at a different position now.

With Brady, you have a 3-time SB winner. But only 2 All-Pro (2nd team in 2005, 1st team in 2007) selection is probably the most notable number against him. He did lead the league in yards and TDs twice, and his career passer rating (although this isn't exactly a great measure --it's heavily biased towards modern QBs and in the top 20 only 4 are in the HOF, with another 3 [Brady, Manning, and yet-to-be-drafted player] headed there as well, with most of the guys not getting anywhere close to the HOF without buying a ticket) do work in his favor.

The Brady/Manning comparison I lean towards Manning. We're talking about contemporaries, and Manning was a 4-time 1st team All-Pro--all coming after Brady emerged on to the scene. I think it's pretty convincing that the regular season belongs to Manning. Clearly, Brady has him beat in playoff success though (although Manning's numbers aren't horrible), and that certainly does matter, especially in a context like the ATD:

Brady 14-3 W-L, 3954 yds, 26 TDs, 12 INTs, 88.0 rating
Manning 7-8 W-L, 4208 yds, 22 TDs, 17 INTs, 85.0 rating

Now obviously it can be hard to distinguish individual performance from team performance--how important is the fact that those Patriot teams were better (especially on defense) than the Colts teams. But also except for the Moss year, Brady has not had the same quality receivers as Manning did (Harrison, Wayne, and Clark were better than anything Brady had), and James was better than the myriad of RBs that Brady dealt with.

Another factor is that Manning has played longer than Brady--so he has more seasons under his belt and his body of work is just that much larger. And in an ATD, where we can't guess what a player is going to do in the future...that probably also favors Manning.

The gap certainly isn't huge between them, but it doesn't surprise me he wasn't taken last year given the gap between the top 10-15 QBs of all time once you get past the first few (Montana, Unitas, etc), and you could make cases for any of them really being in the top 5. I think really with QB it comes down to personal preference--there are several QBs I would rank above Brady who haven't been chosen yet.

I understand the point and maybe it was early but I really want to draft a team that I like. I understand the premise behind a draft like this - taking players based on their performance in the era in which they played and not comparing them to current or recent players as clearly a dominating OL in 1950 isn't as good as a dominating OL in the 90's, but if I were starting a team, after Montana, I'd likely take Brady above all others.

Don't worry, this doesn't mean I'll only be drafting favorites - (not a huge Ray Lewis fan BTW) but I took him because I feel he's among the best MLB's ever.

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10-02-2009, 07:38 PM
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Already selected by William H Bonney in post #89.
We need to make sure all players picked are highlighted some how.

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10-02-2009, 09:54 PM
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My bad, didn't realize he was taken because when I did control F the list wasn't updated with him being selected. Instead, the Philadelphia Eagles are happy to select 12-time pro bowl LB Junior Seau.


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10-03-2009, 09:16 AM
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The Edmonton Eskimos select:

#64 G Randall McDaniel


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In 1994, McDaniel was the leader of a rock solid offensive line that held opponents to just one sack every 22.7 pass attempts, the second-best ratio in team history. In 1996, coaches felt he was so talented that he could be used in ways other than just blocking. In a late season game against the Arizona Cardinals, McDaniel had two goal line carries. Then, in the Pro Bowl a couple months later, he caught a touchdown pass, becoming the first guard in AFC-NFC Pro Bowl history to accomplish such a feat.

The 1998 season was highlighted by the high-scoring attack of the Vikings offense that scored a then-record 556 points. Showing his skill at both pass and run blocking, McDaniel allowed only 1.5 sacks all season while clearing run lanes for Minnesota running backs to average 5.4 yards per carry on his side of the line.

After earning nine straight first-team all-pro selections (1990-98) and starting 13 consecutive playoff games for the Vikings, McDaniel joined the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for two final seasons (2000-01) before retiring from the NFL.
Adding to an already talented offense, McDaniel in his first season with the Bucs, helped pave the way for a team that rushed for 2,066 yards. That included a team single-game record 250 yards rushing against the Dallas Cowboys. For his efforts, McDaniel was named to his final Pro Bowl.

In all, McDaniel blocked for six different 1,000-yard rushers and five 3,000-yard passers during his 14-season career. Regarded as one of the finest offensive linemen in NFL history, McDaniel was named to the NFL’s All-Decade Team of the 1990s.
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McDaniel owned a special mix of power and intelligence, too, as opponents could attest over 12 seasons with the Vikings and two with Tampa Bay.

"He'd block the mess out of you," said motormouth former _______ defensive tackle xxxxxx xxxx, who faced McDaniel many times but never was able to distract with his infamous trash talk. "I would either drag you into talking with me or I would make you hate me talking at you so much that I knew it bothered you. I couldn't do that to him. He wouldn't talk and wouldn't let me know that it was bothering him. He'd just keep playing, keep blocking."

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The Vikings enjoyed watching him, too. He took over as their starter in the second game of his first season and became an anchor of one of the NFL's best offenses while playing the game within a game that exists at the line.

"The competition, I loved it," he said. "The offensive line, I loved that unit, playing as one. We were like brothers in there."


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The Baltimore Colts are proud to select C/LB Mel Hein.

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10-04-2009, 03:50 AM
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Woodson or Matthews?

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10-04-2009, 04:41 AM
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Not sure how we are doing the whole size-conversion over time... but I am going with the best of that era would be one of the best of any era...

Defensive Tackle - Arnie Weinmeister

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10-04-2009, 09:56 AM
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Woodson or Matthews?
Matthews

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10-04-2009, 10:43 AM
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The 49ers select one of their own (well for 2 years anyway) OT/G Larry Allen.


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Woodson or Matthews?
Personally it was both.

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the cleveland browns are pleased to select...

#54 randy white -- defensive tackle

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They called him "Manster" -- as in half-man, half-monster. Randy White didn't just beat up on offensive opponents, he destroyed them. He was a 6-4, 257-pound Jekyll-Hyde personality in a defensive tackle's body, a demon who could single-handedly dismantle game plans. To the Dallas fans he entertained every Sunday for 14 seasons, he was the second coming of Bob Lilly in the middle of the Doomsday Defense.

No right-thinking offensive coordinator could plan for Dallas without first neutralizing White, the former Outland Trophy winner from Maryland. That usually took two or three blockers -- good news for other Cowboys defenders. When opponents chose instead to run away from White, which they often did, he could chase them down with his surprising lateral quickness.

Off the field, White was quiet, shy and soft-spoken, an easy-living, easy-to-like man. On the field, he was "just plain mean," a reflection of the intensity that pushed him to 100 percent effort on every play. He also was the strongest man on the Cowboys' roster, the product of his obsession with weightlifting. His strength allowed him to shed blockers with ease and his quickness allowed him to rush the passer with a stop-me-if-you-can scorn. When big No. 54 broke through the line, quarterbacks had a serious decision to make -- quickly.

With White operating at peak efficiency from the right tackle slot, the Cowboys rolled to six championship game appearances and three Super Bowls from 1975 (his rookie year) through the 1982 season. The pass-rushing combination of White and end xxx xxx was so dominant in a Super Bowl XII victory over Denver that the two shared MVP honors -- a rare honor for defensive players. Equally impressive were the string of nine Pro Bowl appearances White earned (1977-1985) and the fact he missed only one game in his career.

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That's almost who I took.

The Packers are up now yes? I have their list.

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UPDATED

Round 1

1. Buffalo Bills: Lawrence Taylor ROLB
2. Dallas Cowboys: Jim Brown RB/FB
3. Green Bay Packers: Jerry Rice WR
4. Cleveland Browns: Joe Montana QB
5. San Francisco 49ers: Walter Payton RB
6. Pittsburgh Maulers: John Elway QB
7. Baltimore Colts: Reggie White DE
8. Edmonton Eskimos: Don Huston WR/S/K
9. Philadelphia Eagles: David 'Deacon' Jones DE
10. The Guns of Hoculi:Johnny Unitas QB
11. Memphis Showboats: Bob Lilly DT/DE
12. San Diego Chargers: Anthony Munoz OT
13. Boston Patriots: John Hannah G
14. Deadwood Gunslingers: Sammy Baugh QB/DB/P

Round 2

15. Deadwood Gunslingers: Dick Butkus MLB
16. Boston Patriots: Joe Greene DE
17. San Diego Chargers: Jim Parker OT/G
18. Memphis Showboats:Barry Sanders RB
19. The Guns of Hoculi:Ronnie Lott CB/S
20. Philadelphia Eagles: Dick 'Night Train' Lane CB
21. Edmonton Eskimos: Jack Lambert MLB
22. Baltimore Colts: Alan Page DT
23. Pitsburgh Maulers: Ray Nitschke LB
24. San Francisco 49ers: DE Bruce Smith
25. Cleveland Browns: OT Forrest Gregg
26. Green Bay Packers: DT Merlin Olsen
27. Dallas Cowboys: DE Gino Marchetti
28. Buffalo Bills: CB Mel Blount

Round 3

29. Buffalo Bills: OT Art Shell
30. Dallas Cowboys: CB Deion Sanders
31. Green Bay Packers: CB Herb Adderly
32. Cleveland Browns: WR Lance Alworth
32. San Francisco 49ers: QB Peyton Manning
33. Pittsburgh Maulers: TE Kellen Winslow Sr.
34. Baltimore Colts: LB Jack Ham
35. Edmonton Eskimos: C/OLB Chuck Bednarik
36. Philadelphia Eagles: QB Otto Graham
37. The Guns of Hoculi: RB/KR Gale Sayers
38. Memphis Showboats: DB/KR Rod Woodson
39. San Diego Chargers: RB Emmitt Smith
40. Boston Patriots: QB Tom Brady
41. Deadwood Gunslingers: G Gene Upshaw

Round 4

42. Deadwood Gunslingers: OT Roosevelt Brown
43. Boston Patriots: MLB Ray Lewis
44. San Diego Chargers: LB Willie Lanier
45. Memphis Showboats:C/G/T Bruce Matthews
46. The Guns of Hoculi: LB Mike Singletary
47. Philadelphia Eagles: LB Junior Seau
48. Edmonton Eskimos: G Randall McDaniel
49. Baltimore Colts: C/LB Mel Hein
50. Pitsburgh Maulers: DT Arnie Weinmeister
51. San Francisco 49ers: G/T Larry Allen
52. Cleveland Browns: DT Randy White
53. Green Bay Packers: FS Larry Wilson
54. Dallas Cowboys:
55. Buffalo Bills:


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10-04-2009, 12:24 PM
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OK, from the Packers list:

#8 FS Larry Wilson


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Personally it was both.
Love hearing that.

As much as there's a drop off on great tackles I think there are even fewer Guards that are "great".

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Love hearing that.

As much as there's a drop off on great tackles I think there are even fewer Guards that are "great".
This is probably true...but (speaking generally, with Matthews you really get both) I feel it's more important to have a great tackle as opposed to a great guard. Although this could also depend on the kind of offense you want to run--simplistically guards matter more in the running game (either inside runs, or pulling to the outside), whereas tackles are more important in pass protection.

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Love hearing that.

As much as there's a drop off on great tackles I think there are even fewer Guards that are "great".
That's my thinking as well, but I think there are some tackles who are underrated too.

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54 - Dallas Cowboys select - Mike Webster C

9× Pro Bowl selection (1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1987)
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NFL 1970s All-Decade Team


"It's difficult to recognize Webster's playing career without mentioning the tragedy that said career gave way to. Webster sustained significant trauma over his 17-year career which led to a number of mental and physical issues and, ultimately, his death."

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Round 1

1. Buffalo Bills: Lawrence Taylor ROLB
2. Dallas Cowboys: Jim Brown RB/FB
3. Green Bay Packers: Jerry Rice WR
4. Cleveland Browns: Joe Montana QB
5. San Francisco 49ers: Walter Payton RB
6. Pittsburgh Maulers: John Elway QB
7. Baltimore Colts: Reggie White DE
8. Edmonton Eskimos: Don Huston WR/S/K
9. Philadelphia Eagles: David 'Deacon' Jones DE
10. The Guns of Hoculi:Johnny Unitas QB
11. Memphis Showboats: Bob Lilly DT/DE
12. San Diego Chargers: Anthony Munoz OT
13. Boston Patriots: John Hannah G
14. Deadwood Gunslingers: Sammy Baugh QB/DB/P

Round 2

15. Deadwood Gunslingers: Dick Butkus MLB
16. Boston Patriots: Joe Greene DE
17. San Diego Chargers: Jim Parker OT/G
18. Memphis Showboats:Barry Sanders RB
19. The Guns of Hoculi:Ronnie Lott CB/S
20. Philadelphia Eagles: Dick 'Night Train' Lane CB
21. Edmonton Eskimos: Jack Lambert MLB
22. Baltimore Colts: Alan Page DT
23. Pitsburgh Maulers: Ray Nitschke LB
24. San Francisco 49ers: DE Bruce Smith
25. Cleveland Browns: OT Forrest Gregg
26. Green Bay Packers: DT Merlin Olsen
27. Dallas Cowboys: DE Gino Marchetti
28. Buffalo Bills: CB Mel Blount

Round 3

29. Buffalo Bills: OT Art Shell
30. Dallas Cowboys: CB Deion Sanders
31. Green Bay Packers: CB Herb Adderly
32. Cleveland Browns: WR Lance Alworth
32. San Francisco 49ers: QB Peyton Manning
33. Pittsburgh Maulers: TE Kellen Winslow Sr.
34. Baltimore Colts: LB Jack Ham
35. Edmonton Eskimos: C/OLB Chuck Bednarik
36. Philadelphia Eagles: QB Otto Graham
37. The Guns of Hoculi: RB/KR Gale Sayers
38. Memphis Showboats: DB/KR Rod Woodson
39. San Diego Chargers: RB Emmitt Smith
40. Boston Patriots: QB Tom Brady
41. Deadwood Gunslingers: G Gene Upshaw

Round 4

42. Deadwood Gunslingers: OT Roosevelt Brown
43. Boston Patriots: MLB Ray Lewis
44. San Diego Chargers: LB Willie Lanier
45. Memphis Showboats:C/G/T Bruce Matthews
46. The Guns of Hoculi: LB Mike Singletary
47. Philadelphia Eagles: LB Junior Seau
48. Edmonton Eskimos: G Randall McDaniel
49. Baltimore Colts: C/LB Mel Hein
50. Pitsburgh Maulers: DT Arnie Weinmeister
51. San Francisco 49ers: G/T Larry Allen
52. Cleveland Browns: DT Randy White
53. Green Bay Packers: FS Larry Wilson
54. Dallas Cowboys: C Mike Webster
55. Buffalo Bills: OTC

56. Buffalo Bills: OTC
57. Dallas Cowboys:
58. Green Bay Packers:
59. Cleveland Browns:
60. San Francisco 49ers:

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54 - Dallas Cowboys select - Mike Webster C

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NFL 1980s All-Decade Team
NFL 1970s All-Decade Team


"It's difficult to recognize Webster's playing career without mentioning the tragedy that said career gave way to. Webster sustained significant trauma over his 17-year career which led to a number of mental and physical issues and, ultimately, his death."
Stole my pick. But I'm happy with my consolation prizes:

The Buffalo Bills take OG Larry Little and DE Jack Youngblood

Little played a key part in the high-powered running attack of the 1970's Dolphins while still being a fantastic pass blocker.

Youngblood is an excellent choice to build my defensive line around--this is a guy who played an entire playoffs with a broken fibula. And while sacks weren't kept as an official statistic prior to 1982, his 151.5 sacks would place him 4th all time.

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