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09-24-2009, 03:23 AM
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This is probably going to be the line up for the start of the season (not in the best places but these players will start):

Gagne-Richards-JvR
Hartnell-Carter-Pyorala
Powe/Carcillo-Giroux-Briere
Lappy-Betts-Asham
Powe/Carcillo as 13th

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-OKT
Syvret as 7th

Emery
Boucher

This is only if Jones and Cote are waived, and to be honest, I think they should be.

And Rick, I think you're really, really bored .

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http://www.courierpostonline.com/art...-cap-casualty?

Highlights:
- Jones may get waived
- Cote may see diminished tome but is "an integral part of the team"
- Stevens likes Carcillo - Powe - Lapierre for 4th line

Gags - Cannon - Junior VaRsity
Fartsmell - Carts - Pyro
Smash 'em - What's His Name - Whatever Briere's nickname is
Chico Carbombs - Boom Boom - Lappy5000

But where does Betts go, and what is Betts' nickname?
Could we lose Chico Carbombs or Smash 'em?

Oh the possibilities.

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Thanks for the article.

Doesn't sound like they plan on getting rid of Cote.

Let's hope there is a club ready for Jones if he's waived, it will be the best solution for the Flyers and for him. For us it's first of all the cap issue, and he's not such a bad player. Another team may see a future in him and sign a new cheaper deal when he becomes a UFA. But it will be interesting to see what Holmgren will do if Jones is waived and not picked up.

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Thanks for the article.

Doesn't sound like they plan on getting rid of Cote.

Let's hope there is a club ready for Jones if he's waived, it will be the best solution for the Flyers and for him. For us it's first of all the cap issue, and he's not such a bad player. Another team may see a future in him and sign a new cheaper deal when he becomes a UFA. But it will be interesting to see what Holmgren will do if Jones is waived and not picked up.
Well if he's being waived in the first place then he'll either spend the season in the minors or be bought out. Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

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Richards-Briere-****
Hartnell Carter Powe
JVR Giroux Gagne (ridiculous 3rd line)
Lappy-Betts-Carcillo

where **** is asham/pyro for beginning of season, then switches to maroon for playoffs.

what i like about these lines:
1st balances briere's lack of defense with richards super-human defense
2nd powe is another fast heavy hitter like hartnell, to free up space for carter.
3rd this is the line that would really get teams. Since the top two are strong enough, teams would have to play the 3rd line with THEIR 3rd line. I dont think any third line atm is as stacked as the one listed above.

*one could move gagne to the first line, or switch with briere...but i like having him with giroux and JVR, two young very impressionable, very offensively skilled players. Wouldnt mind having some gags rub off on them.

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09-24-2009, 06:50 AM
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This is probably going to be the line up for the start of the season (not in the best places but these players will start):

Gagne-Richards-JvR
Hartnell-Carter-Pyorala
Powe/Carcillo-Giroux-Briere
Lappy-Betts-Asham
Powe/Carcillo as 13th

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-OKT
Syvret as 7th

Emery
Boucher

This is only if Jones and Cote are waived, and to be honest, I think they should be.

And Rick, I think you're really, really bored .
VanRiemsdyk and Pyorala are not both making the roster. Only 1 of them will be making the team out of the gate, and based on his play it will most likely be VanRiemsdyk. Cote is not going anywhere.

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09-24-2009, 07:48 AM
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http://www.courierpostonline.com/art...-cap-casualty?

Highlights:
- Jones may get waived
- Cote may see diminished tome but is "an integral part of the team"
- Stevens likes Carcillo - Powe - Lapierre for 4th line

Gags - Cannon - Junior VaRsity
Fartsmell - Carts - Pyro
Smash 'em - What's His Name - Whatever Briere's nickname is
Chico Carbombs - Boom Boom - Lappy5000

But where does Betts go, and what is Betts' nickname?
Could we lose Chico Carbombs or Smash 'em?

Oh the possibilities.

Regards,
Rick
Very nice post with the nick names.
Betts = Bettser Luck Next Time, Blair "Witch Project" Betts, Blair I am gonna kill Brashear Betts?

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09-24-2009, 08:36 AM
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You seem to have no idea how this works. What club do you think wants this overpaid player and pay his salary then? If the answer is none, then trade/waive will not work.

A possible way is to put Jones in a trade along with a top player. NYR did something like this. The Jackets wanted a good D in Fedor Tyutin, but to get him they had to accept Cristian Backmans contract too, a pretty bad overpaid D similar to Jones. It was the only way NYR could get rid of Backman.
I'm not sure what you aren't understanding.

The Flyers ABSOLUTELY can, and if they feel they need to be relieved of his salary, ABSOLUTELY will waive Jones and stick him in the minors if need be.

There is NOTHING that will prevent them from doing that. If someone doesn't want Jones at his salary (which is what you are suggesting) he will clear waivers. The Flyers will then stick him in the minors, and pay him his big salary to play in the AHL. It sucks for him, but it's the way it is.They have done it with Gauthier and they will do it again.

The article that was just linked suggests exactly what I've been saying.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/art...-cap-casualty?

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09-24-2009, 08:43 AM
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VanRiemsdyk and Pyorala are not both making the roster. Only 1 of them will be making the team out of the gate, and based on his play it will most likely be VanRiemsdyk. Cote is not going anywhere.
Which is such bs its unbelievable. Even though Im a Pyo fan, JVR has been very good and I want him on the team. The thing is though, Pyo lately has looked good also. Cote is ****ing useless which is annoying. If they play him as a #13 guy, I guess thats fine.

Gagne-Richards-xxxx
Hartnell-Carter-Briere
xxxx-Giroux-xxxx
xxxx-Betts-xxxx
Cote

You have 5 slots to fill in JVR, Pyorala, Lappy, Powe, Asham, Carcillo

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So if I put together the last 10 or interviews by Stevens I get the following:

Cote will be the 13th forward
He still really likes the "pairs" idea but I'm thinking the "pair" on the third line could be JVR and Giroux
Jones's job is definately up for grabs.
He likes Betts and Pyorola.
He specifically mentioned he likes Carcillo Powe and Lappy as a unit.
Syvret is definately in the running for the 6th job not just the 7th.
He would like to still have Asham as a regular.

Overall that gives the impression that the lines could look like:
Gagne Richards Briere
Hartnell Carter Pyorola
JVR Giroux Asham
Carcillo Powe Lappy
Cote and possibly a 14th forward

Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Parent Syvret
OKT

Jones becomes the highest paid AHLer around.

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09-24-2009, 09:28 AM
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So if I put together the last 10 or interviews by Stevens I get the following:

Cote will be the 13th forward
He still really likes the "pairs" idea but I'm thinking the "pair" on the third line could be JVR and Giroux
Jones's job is definately up for grabs.
He likes Betts and Pyorola.
He specifically mentioned he likes Carcillo Powe and Lappy as a unit.
Syvret is definately in the running for the 6th job not just the 7th.
He would like to still have Asham as a regular.

Overall that gives the impression that the lines could look like:
Gagne Richards Briere
Hartnell Carter Pyorola
JVR Giroux Asham
Carcillo Powe Lappy
Cote and possibly a 14th forward

Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Parent Syvret
OKT

Jones becomes the highest paid AHLer around.
You are missing Bett's who's signing looks imminent. From the recent articles it looks like only one of Pyorola and VanRiemsdyk will make the opening lineup.

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You are missing Bett's who's signing looks imminent. From the recent articles it looks like only one of Pyorola and VanRiemsdyk will make the opening lineup.
What recent articles? I'd be shocked if both DIDN't make the team.
JVR, Betts and Pyorala have all looked great in camp.

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Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Parent Syvret
OKT
Do this:

Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Syvret Parent/OKT

Finally solved. OKT and Parent should be paired with a puck-moving player, and they should not play together. OKT will play against the tougher teams, Parent can take the soft nights.

But I believe it's OKT and Jones tonight on the 3rd, interesting to see how that works out. Jones said he'll fight like a gladiator to keep his spot on the team, this story aint over..

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Do this:

Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Syvret Parent/OKT

Finally solved. OKT and Parent should be paired with a puck-moving player, and they should not play together. OKT will play against the tougher teams, Parent can take the soft nights.
I can't see the team splitting Parent/OKT as the 6th/7th dman. I would be shocked if Parent doesn't play (barring injuries) in every game or at the least 9 out of every 10 games. Parent is a future top 4 dman and has proved his worth last season as an everyday player.

This is what I would like to see:
Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Syvret Parent
OKT

If any of the top 4 get hurt, move Parent up and put OKT in his place. If Syvret gets hurt you can just shift a puckmover like Carle down:
Pronger Parent
Timmonen Coburn
Carle OKT

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What recent articles? I'd be shocked if both DIDN't make the team.
JVR, Betts and Pyorala have all looked great in camp.
These articles

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If the Flyers keep 13 forwards, that would leave two players battling for one spot: van Riemsdyk and Pyorala. (The Flyers could carry 14 forwards, but because of salary-cap issues, that's unlikely.)

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...__backing.html
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Van Riemsdyk scored two goals in Tuesday’s 5-2 win over Detroit. He has three goals and an assist (4 points) in four games. He and Mika Pyorala are vying for what figures to be one final roster spot, assuming Blair Betts is signed as a utility-man with a big role on special teams.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landi...854&feedID=733
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The last available spot on the Flyers' roster will likely go to highly touted James van Riemsdyk or Mika Pyorala, two rookie wingers who gave strong showings in a 5-2 preseason win over the shorthanded Detroit Red Wings last night at the Wachovia Center.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...ke_Flyers.html
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Blair Betts has all but clinched his roster spot. Now it’s between van Riemsdyk and Pyorala.

http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landi...703&feedID=733
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It’s ironic that Pyorala and van Riemsdyk played together, because the they’re likely competing for the final roster spot.

http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2...2056055922.txt
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PHILADELPHIA - Both James van Riemsdyk and Mika Pyorala know they're on the cusp of making the Flyers and played like it Tuesday night.

The two rookies aren't necessarily competing for the same spot, but it could turn out that way by the time the final roster cut comes along next week.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/news...me-up-big.html

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EasyMac, there's just one little problem many of you fail to understand. OKT got a role to play here, otherwise there wouldn't be any point in signing him. Flyers got lots of Ds who can play on the 3rd.

Holmgren wants OKT in the lineup when he should be there, that's why I believe my line prediction is a very possible one, because he will not just be a spare in case of injury. Parent's time will come, if he picks up his game when he plays.

This is another possibility:

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Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-OKT
Syvret as 7th
Nobody said OKT and Parent can't play together.

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Do this:

Pronger Carle
Timmonen Coburn
Syvret Parent/OKT

Finally solved. OKT and Parent should be paired with a puck-moving player, and they should not play together. OKT will play against the tougher teams, Parent can take the soft nights.

But I believe it's OKT and Jones tonight on the 3rd, interesting to see how that works out. Jones said he'll fight like a gladiator to keep his spot on the team, this story aint over..
There is no way Parent is taken out of the lineup for OKT or Syvret barring some drastic fall from grace by Parent. The guy was on our top pairing last year and was great. He is a lock as our 5th D, with a chance to be looked at at #4 at some point this year.

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EasyMac, there's just one little problem many of you fail to understand. OKT got a role to play here, otherwise there wouldn't be any point in signing him. Flyers got lots of Ds who can play on the 3rd.

Holmgren wants OKT in the lineup when he should be there, that's why I believe my line prediction is a very possible one, because he will not just be a spare in case of injury. Parent's time will come, if he picks up his game when he plays.

This is another possibility:



Nobody said OKT and Parent can't play together.
I fully agree OKT has a role to play here. I just think that his role is as the 7th dman, filling in for injuries and also here and there when they want another big hitter on the blue-line when they think games will be overly physical. I do agree that there are an abundance of 3rd line dmen on the team (Parent, OKT, Jones and Syvret) but only Parent has potential and has shown to be capable of being a 2nd line dmen)

I know Parent hasn't had a stellar preseason, but he has been very good (especially for his age) in the time he has been here. There is no way that OKT will start ahead of Parent unless it is to give Parent the odd night off (and I have no doubt you would have a very hard time finding another poster here who would disagree with that).

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Can Someone explain to me Why only one of JVR and Pyroala can be on the team?

Mika is signed to like a 500k Contract, so it cant be a cap issue. Are they really that insistent on playing people like Powe and Carcillo over guys who can actually contribute?

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Are they really considering playing Asham over LaPerriere?

For me:

Gagne-Richards-LaPerriere
Hartnell-Carter-Pyorala
JVR - Giroux - Briere
Carcillo - Betts - Asham

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Can Someone explain to me Why only one of JVR and Pyroala can be on the team?

Mika is signed to like a 500k Contract, so it cant be a cap issue. Are they really that insistent on playing people like Powe and Carcillo over guys who can actually contribute?
^This

Pyorala > Powe

As much as I like Powe.

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^This

Pyorala > Powe

As much as I like Powe.
I agree as well. Pyorala seems to be better defensively and also better in the corners and getting the puck back. He may not fight, but seems to be a great two-way player. If Jones was waive, here is what I find that they could do with the rosters with 13 forwards, 7 d-men and 2 goalies.

Gagne-Richards-Pyorala
Hartnell-Carter-Asham
JvR-Giroux-Briere
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Cote

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-OKT
Syvret

Emery
Boucher

If Jones was waived, the cap would be at just over 2.3 million under the cap. I put Asham on the 2nd line because it looked like he could work well with that line. Score some goals and pound some bodies kind of line. I find he doesn't make too many mistakes and will be a tough guy. Seems to usually make his shots count too, or at least make good shots and scoring chances. He's not a scorer, but usually does the right things.

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I agree as well. Pyorala seems to be better defensively and also better in the corners and getting the puck back. He may not fight, but seems to be a great two-way player. If Jones was waive, here is what I find that they could do with the rosters with 13 forwards, 7 d-men and 2 goalies.

Gagne-Richards-Pyorala
Hartnell-Carter-Asham
JvR-Giroux-Briere
Carcillo-Betts-Lappy
Cote

Pronger-Carle
Timonen-Coburn
Parent-OKT
Syvret

Emery
Boucher

If Jones was waived, the cap would be at just over 2.3 million under the cap. I put Asham on the 2nd line because it looked like he could work well with that line. Score some goals and pound some bodies kind of line. I find he doesn't make too many mistakes and will be a tough guy. Seems to usually make his shots count too, or at least make good shots and scoring chances. He's not a scorer, but usually does the right things.
I'd swap Lappy and Asham

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Can Someone explain to me Why only one of JVR and Pyroala can be on the team?

Mika is signed to like a 500k Contract, so it cant be a cap issue. Are they really that insistent on playing people like Powe and Carcillo over guys who can actually contribute?
Now that we have Betts on the team centering the 4th line, I'd much rather have Pyorala than Powe.

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Now that we have Betts on the team centering the 4th line, I'd much rather have Pyorala than Powe.
Powe is an awesome call-up/energy line player.

That's it.

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You are missing Bett's who's signing looks imminent. From the recent articles it looks like only one of Pyorola and VanRiemsdyk will make the opening lineup.
I wasn't missing him, just putting down the lines as what Stevens seems to be hinting at. I for one sure hope Betts gets signed.

There is no doubt that they seem to be pitting JVR and Pyorola against each other for a spot which I don't totally understand.

I really hope that Pyro is kept on for some kind of role. I love it when guys have multiple layers to their game and he seems to be the kind of guy that makes the players around him better. I remember in early drills they said that Hartnell Carter and Pyro looked great together and then in the last game JVR Giroux and Pyo all looked great together. He is becoming one of more "pulling for him" kind of players. I also like the late bloomers for some reason. I was a huge Rob Valacivic fan when he made the Preds one season.

The great thing about players like him is how even if they aren't scoring they are doing something positive. One of the tings I read into Homers (or Steven I can't remember now) comments is that perhaps JVR needs to be working on his away from the puck play a bit more. We'll see I guess. I'd sure hate to hurt his development if there is a vet who can take his spot until he is ready.

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