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09-24-2009, 07:20 PM
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juggling lines = missing the playoffs.

was Hecht-Briere-Dumont juggled?
was Drury-Grier juggled?
was Hecht-Briere-Poms juggled?

i freak out, because starting this way, leads directly TO line juggling, lack of chemistry, failed assumptions, and a slow start.

Why is Ruff still forcing the square peg in the round hole with Vanek-Roy? Those two paired as a top line have never got this team to the playoffs.
Special guest coach Terrell Owens will be selecting the lines? Hmm....at least it would be something different. Good for ticket sales, I bet.

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09-24-2009, 07:29 PM
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There was a spell last season where I was honestly considering the possibility that Ruff was trying to get fired.

I'm already there again before the season has even started, this time with a lot less doubt.
And the fact that you honestly think (or are even considering) that he's trying to get fired is obviously a bizarrely asinine opinion and shows you can't be objective.

We had (have?) a team full of players that are soft, quasi-skilled, injury prone prima donnas that don't like to be hit or criticized for lackluster performance. And shockingly, we missed the playoffs! Blame the coach if it makes you feel better, but the problem lays elsewhere. They've addressed it a bit, we'll see if it has a trickle down effect.

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09-24-2009, 07:30 PM
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And the fact that you honestly think (or are even considering) that he's trying to get fired is obviously a bizarrely asinine opinion and shows you can't be objective.
Not really. He looked thoroughly disinterested on the bench.

Seriously, though, if he gets fired, he still gets paid, and he gets out of a situation where he had nothing to work with. I'm with jlr on this one; I definitely thought he was trying to go that route.

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09-24-2009, 07:33 PM
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I would LOVE a Hecht/Goose/Pommer 2nd line.
Wow - that's the biggest waste of Poms ever. The guy is probably the best true sniper on the team, and has shown that when paired with guys like Briere or Connolly, can score goals by the bushel. Why on earth would you want to pair him with Hecht and Goose? I don't get that at all.

My ideal lines would be:

Vanek-Timmy-Poms
Mac-Roy-Staff
Hecht-Goose-Grier
Ellis-Kennedy-Kaleta

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09-24-2009, 07:53 PM
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Wow - that's the biggest waste of Poms ever. The guy is probably the best true sniper on the team, and has shown that when paired with guys like Briere or Connolly, can score goals by the bushel. Why on earth would you want to pair him with Hecht and Goose? I don't get that at all.

My ideal lines would be:

Vanek-Timmy-Poms
Mac-Roy-Staff
Hecht-Goose-Grier
Ellis-Kennedy-Kaleta
close...i dont see the point of using kennedy on the 4th.

Paille-Ellis-Kaleta - with McCormick rotating for the right games.

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09-24-2009, 08:04 PM
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Vanek-Connolly-Pominville just is so logical and obvious as the #1 line... all three players compliment one another so well.
Until Connolly is in and out of games for weeks at a time screwing up chemistry between players on both lines.

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09-24-2009, 08:07 PM
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here is the lineup that I would start with

Vanek-Roy-Stafford
C-Mac-Connolly-Pommer
Hecht-Gaustad-Grier
Paille-Mair-Kaleta
McCormick Ellis

Butler-Rivet
Lydman-Weber/Myers
Montador-Sekera
Paestch

Miller
Enroth

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09-24-2009, 08:17 PM
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Not really. He looked thoroughly disinterested on the bench.

Seriously, though, if he gets fired, he still gets paid, and he gets out of a situation where he had nothing to work with. I'm with jlr on this one; I definitely thought he was trying to go that route.
yep, there were times i seriously thought he wanted to be fired.

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09-24-2009, 08:50 PM
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I don't really see an issue with this at all. I don't see Vanek-Connolly as being head and shoulders above Vanek-Roy so it doesn't really matter who is occupying the 1st line center role at any given time.

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09-24-2009, 08:53 PM
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I don't really see an issue with this at all. I don't see Vanek-Connolly as being head and shoulders above Vanek-Roy so it doesn't really matter who is occupying the 1st line center role at any given time.
Vanek-Roy just don't seem to mesh well anymore.

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It probably came down to Ruff believing MacArthur needs Connolly more than Vanek does. Ruff probably believes Vanek will get 40-45 goals no matter who he's with, while Mac needs Connolly to get to 25+.

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09-24-2009, 09:11 PM
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god dammittTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT


i knew this would happen.....

FIRE RUFF
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Wow - that's the biggest waste of Poms ever. The guy is probably the best true sniper on the team, and has shown that when paired with guys like Briere or Connolly, can score goals by the bushel. Why on earth would you want to pair him with Hecht and Goose? I don't get that at all.

My ideal lines would be:

Vanek-Timmy-Poms
Mac-Roy-Staff
Hecht-Goose-Grier
Ellis-Kennedy-Kaleta
Pommer would hardly be wasted on that line.

Those three were together for a stretch a year ago and Pommer averaged about 2pts a night, Hecht wasn't far behind and Goose averaged a little over 1pt per game.

Any time they have been together they have been effective at both ends of the ice.

Btw Pommer had the best year of his career with Hecht as his center for over half the year and his linemate for all of it. It wasn't Connolly.
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09-24-2009, 09:29 PM
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If Connolly/Roy goes down with an injury (more likely Connolly), what do you guys think we'll do for the #2 center spot? Do we move Hecht to center again like last year or do you think we call up Ennis to see what he can bring? I would definitely prefer the latter.

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If Connolly/Roy goes down with an injury (more likely Connolly), what do you guys think we'll do for the #2 center spot? Do we move Hecht to center again like last year or do you think we call up Ennis to see what he can bring? I would definitely prefer the latter.
Kennedy.

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If Connolly/Roy goes down with an injury (more likely Connolly), what do you guys think we'll do for the #2 center spot? Do we move Hecht to center again like last year or do you think we call up Ennis to see what he can bring? I would definitely prefer the latter.
I would hope we'd see Ennis or Kennedy. The fact that Ennis has already been sent down to Portland probably means he won't be the first call up though.

That said - if Connolly goes down, I'd be willing to try a derivative of what joshjull mentioned. Hecht and Pominville have a history of playing well together with a highly-skilled, offense-minded center. I'd be willing to give them a shot with Connolly or his injury replacement to see how things work out. If it works, we'd have a pretty dangerous 1-2 punch with VRS as the other scoring line, and could move Kaleta up to the 3rd line if we get one of those 3 to play LW.

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09-24-2009, 09:45 PM
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Could Grier even handle top 6 minutes at this point in his career? That's another issue with a potential CMac-Connolly-Grier line. But it would give Mr. Fragile a nice bodyguard...

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09-24-2009, 09:47 PM
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Kennedy.
Ah, that's right I forgot about Kennedy for some reason. He would definitely be the most likely candidate to fill in at center.

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the clear indication is that Ruff is still a believer in spreading the talent over three lines. this theory has been a proven FAILURE.

worst offseason news of the year. Miller may as well be injured for the first month...


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the clear indication is that Ruff is still a believer in spreading the talent over three lines. this theory has been a proven FAILURE.

worst offseason news of the year. Miller may as well be injured for the first month...


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Over-dramatic. As long as he keeps Hecht on the third line with Gaustad and Grier, then he isn't doing that.

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Could Grier even handle top 6 minutes at this point in his career? That's another issue with a potential CMac-Connolly-Grier line. But it would give Mr. Fragile a nice bodyguard...
Connolly doesn't need a bodyguard. He is injury prone, but a bodyguard won't help with that. Not unless Grier can wrap himself in Nerf and bubble wrap and ride around on top of Timmy.

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It just seems that Ruff has an idea stuck in his mind and won't let go. It's not like that isn't part of his personality.

Disappointing. The reason Paul Maurice has success with the Hurricanes is he is flexible and is able to assess the chemistry of the team properly. I don't see that in Lindy. It's time for a change.

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Ok, I hate the decission, because that means that Vanek is out of the 50g race.
Besides I doubt that we will win much without a true first line.

Why oh why doesn't Ruff play VCP? It's so easy.... come on, do it please....

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Ok, I hate the decission, because that means that Vanek is out of the 50g race.Besides I doubt that we will win much without a true first line.

Why oh why doesn't Ruff play VCP? It's so easy.... come on, do it please....
It amazes me how much Vanek's fans seem to want him to score 50 goals more than they want success for the team.

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Connolly doesn't need a bodyguard. He is injury prone, but a bodyguard won't help with that. Not unless Grier can wrap himself in Nerf and bubble wrap and ride around on top of Timmy.
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