Good news. I think he'll get a few NHL games this season too. He's going to have to play hard to get on a full time NHL roster next season, so I expect him to do so.
He would've had a better chance to make the roster had he not held out. May have bought himself a one way ticket to Portland purgatory (nothing against the Portland Pirates, just obviously not where Mancari wants to be, so, for him, it's purgatory).
He clearly was looking for a shot at an NHL job and didn't find one.
Welcome back to Portland, Mark.
The hold-out was absolutely idiotic. He has zero leverage and the only way he was going to even get a shot at the NHL would have been competing at camp.
The hold-out was absolutely idiotic. He has zero leverage and the only way he was going to even get a shot at the NHL would have been competing at camp.
To be fair, he can read the writing on the wall as well as anyone.
The Sabres are loaded with bottom 6 forwards. His best chance to make the NHL was probably last year, but failing that, to force a trade by holding out.
To be fair, he can read the writing on the wall as well as anyone.
The Sabres are loaded with bottom 6 forwards. His best chance to make the NHL was probably last year, but failing that, to force a trade by holding out.
Unfortunately, his GM was Darcy Regier.
Most teams have someone like him though -- a good AHL level scorer long in the developmental process. If anything, his agent gave him bad advice. Not many teams are going to line up for his services when they have their own versions of him on their own camp rosters.
Most teams have someone like him though -- a good AHL level scorer long in the developmental process. If anything, his agent gave him bad advice. Not many teams are going to line up for his services when they have their own versions of him on their own camp rosters.
Agreed....you have to wonder if players are telling their agents to do things based on their own ego.
I've never really seen anything from Mancari at the AHL level to suggest he's the hard-working, do anything to gain a spot type....
Agreed....you have to wonder if players are telling their agents to do things based on their own ego.
I've never really seen anything from Mancari at the AHL level to suggest he's the hard-working, do anything to gain a spot type....
Agreed. He could learn a thing or two by speaking to Cowan -- IIRC, his second AHL season, his coach told him he wasn't going to make it to the NHL as a scorer. He decided taking a punch would literally punch his ticket. Mancari could probably make a similar living. Or... he could be in the strata of quality AHL players who can make a good buck (at least compared to most of North America), playing a game, those who are career AHLers.
Is he waiver eligible? If so, being waived when they send him down might be his best chance to get on an NHL roster.
Yeah, he would have to clear to be assigned. Granted, most teams are down to the nitty-gritty of their own final cuts. There are plenty of tough decisions out there and there may be more proven commodities out there on the wire. Heck, for the same price, putting in an offer to the agent of any of a number of unsigned UFA's would land a team a more proven commodity. Not only is Mancari in a no-win situation with the team, but around the league.
IMO Mark Mancari is our new Jason Botterill. He will get a good amount of points in the AHL but can never make the transition to the big show.
Definitely "AAAA" players, so to speak but Botterill was really a true power forward and, IMO, a hugely underrated leader who contributed an awful lot to those Amerks teams and the prospects that were on them.
Anyone think Mancari will get a game this weekend or is he just going to go straight to Maine for training camp?
Definitely "AAAA" players, so to speak but Botterill was really a true power forward and, IMO, a hugely underrated leader who contributed an awful lot to those Amerks teams and the prospects that were on them.
Agreed. Botterill was a winner everywhere he played and a solid leader. Too bad about the concussions....
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Anyone think Mancari will get a game this weekend or is he just going to go straight to Maine for training camp?
I suppose we'll know shortly. Maybe Wildcat will have a little on this if he can bend Dineen's ear before the game (5:00 pm start?) or at the morning skate.
Granted, it would be nice to have an actual media source (GR, TBN) provide some information for a change. Most of the time it seems posters break this stuff...
Agreed. He could learn a thing or two by speaking to Cowan -- IIRC, his second AHL season, his coach told him he wasn't going to make it to the NHL as a scorer. He decided taking a punch would literally punch his ticket. Mancari could probably make a similar living. Or... he could be in the strata of quality AHL players who can make a good buck (at least compared to most of North America), playing a game, those who are career AHLers.
True enough. I would KILL to be a 20 goal AHL scorer.
Agreed. Botterill was a winner everywhere he played and a solid leader. Too bad about the concussions....
I suppose we'll know shortly. Maybe Wildcat will have a little on this if he can bend Dineen's ear before the game (5:00 pm start?) or at the morning skate.
Granted, it would be nice to have an actual media source (GR, TBN) provide some information for a change. Most of the time it seems posters break this stuff...
Depends on when this was done---and not released till now
Is he waiver eligible? If so, being waived when they send him down might be his best chance to get on an NHL roster.
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Yeah, he would have to clear to be assigned. Granted, most teams are down to the nitty-gritty of their own final cuts. There are plenty of tough decisions out there and there may be more proven commodities out there on the wire. Heck, for the same price, putting in an offer to the agent of any of a number of unsigned UFA's would land a team a more proven commodity. Not only is Mancari in a no-win situation with the team, but around the league.
The original post said it was a two way deal. Doesn't that mean he can be sent to Portland without having to clear waivers? (like McCormick, Cowan etc.)
I thought trying to avoid the two way deal the Sabres wanted to give him was the entire reason he held out.
The original post said it was a two way deal. Doesn't that mean he can be sent to Portland without having to clear waivers? (like McCormick, Cowan etc.)
I thought trying to avoid the two way deal the Sabres wanted to give him was the entire reason he held out.
fwiu, no one was interested enough to acquire Mancari, who told Darcy he requested to be traded, josh.... very similar to what Kessel apparently informed Chiarelli before the deal to TO, and that subsequential signing.
The original post said it was a two way deal. Doesn't that mean he can be sent to Portland without having to clear waivers? (like McCormick, Cowan etc.)
I thought trying to avoid the two way deal the Sabres wanted to give him was the entire reason he held out.
If my memory on AHL contracts serves, all those guys have to clear waivers if/when they get sent down. A two-way contract just means that they get paid substantially less if they are assigned to the AHL. I believe it's usually 10% of their NHL salary. A guy on a one-way deal can get sent down but he will still be paid his NHL salary.
If my memory on AHL contracts serves, all those guys have to clear waivers if/when they get sent down. A two-way contract just means that they get paid substantially less if they are assigned to the AHL. I believe it's usually 10% of their NHL salary. A guy on a one-way deal can get sent down but he will still be paid his NHL salary.
But I was under the impression a two way deal also meant a player could be sent down without clearing waivers. At least prior to the season starting.
Its my understanding that a player gives up being waiver eligible if they sign a two way deal.
The original post said it was a two way deal. Doesn't that mean he can be sent to Portland without having to clear waivers? (like McCormick, Cowan etc.)
I thought trying to avoid the two way deal the Sabres wanted to give him was the entire reason he held out.
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If my memory on AHL contracts serves, all those guys have to clear waivers if/when they get sent down. A two-way contract just means that they get paid substantially less if they are assigned to the AHL. I believe it's usually 10% of their NHL salary. A guy on a one-way deal can get sent down but he will still be paid his NHL salary.
Yep, Ace is all over this one -- the two-way deal only differentiates pay. The CBA dictates waiver eligibility (years pro/games played).
Well we all know guys like Bucky and Kevin Sylvester get their stuff from HF anyways...
Nah...if Bucky got his stuff from HF he might actually not look like an idiot 95% of the time. He certainly wouldn't have tried to propose trading Afinogenov for Jokinen (Olli, not Jussi) in his season preview a couple years ago (or maybe last year?)...oh wait, he goes to the FA board, not the Sabres board where the people who actually know what the hell they're talking about gather
