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11-12-2009, 04:20 PM
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Alright everyone. This is a prospects thread.

If it's going to turn into a brawl between the Carle corner and the Coburn corner, please take it outside, and start a new thread.

Nobody can judge what is going to happen.

This is what we know:
-Carle has clearly improved in both ends of the ice since Pronger has joined.
-Coburn has not looked as good since getting hit in the face.
-Coburn was expected to lead Carle by the hand last season on a pairing, but while moderately successful, it was not great.
-Carle has a history of recklessness in his own zone which may be clearing up this season.
-Coburn is back with Timonen and seems to slowly be getting out of a funk.

Let's not worry about other "elite" defensemen and their development time tables because, frankly each player is an individual.

Back on track:
-We already have 5 top 4 NHL defensemen: Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, and Parent.
-Parent and Coburn are up for new contracts.
-If Marshall and/or Bourdon pan out like the organization hopes in the next couple of seasons we could have 7 very good NHL defensemen.
-There are other prospects like Bertilsson, Bartilus, Lehtivuori, and to a lesser extent, Bodrov in the defensive pool who could have solid careers ahead of them as well.

So please, either discuss this in another thread or get back on the discussion about prospects. That obviously includes how some of them may eventually replace either Carle or Coburn, but this thread is not for the play of established NHL veterans.

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Just want to point out that tonight Bartulis played very well in his first NHL game. He looked like a natural at times with the puck. He didn't try anything flashy or look nervous at all.

Good showing for someone we could see more of this season.

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Bartulis looked fine, but he and Syvret got pinned a lot.

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Bartulis looked fine, but he and Syvret got pinned a lot.
Meh Bart played over 17 mins his first NHL game. Not to bad I say. He played pretty well for the first game.

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11-12-2009, 10:25 PM
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Bartulis looked very good. I'm impressed by his TOI the most.

I don't hate Syvret like some people on here, but when it comes down to it, I'll want Tollefsen-Bartulis over Tollefsen-Syvret if Bartulis' play keeps up.

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I definitely think he's better than Syvret, defensively which is all you need from a 3rd pairing guy anyway

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Just want to point out that tonight Bartulis played very well in his first NHL game. He looked like a natural at times with the puck. He didn't try anything flashy or look nervous at all.

Good showing for someone we could see more of this season.
If you don't change your avatar to be something orange and black related then...




I'm gonna have to declare kangaroo court.

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Just want to point out that tonight Bartulis played very well in his first NHL game. He looked like a natural at times with the puck. He didn't try anything flashy or look nervous at all.

Good showing for someone we could see more of this season.
The Flyers brass have been very high on Bartulis for quite some time now. The problem they had was trying to find a way to fit him into the lineup. Now that he's in, it's going to be real hard to take him out. We could very possibly see Syvret or Tollefsen or maybe even both waived. A Bartulis/Parent pairing would be something very interesting.

Anyways, I've followed Bartulis' career since the time he was drafted and he has always been a good defenseman. The other benefit with him was that at one time, he was a center, so he sees the ice real well and is always on top of his defensive assignments. He might just be a potential shut down defender in the making.

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The Flyers brass have been very high on Bartulis for quite some time now. The problem they had was trying to find a way to fit him into the lineup. Now that he's in, it's going to be real hard to take him out. We could very possibly see Syvret or Tollefsen or maybe even both waived. A Bartulis/Parent pairing would be something very interesting.

Anyways, I've followed Bartulis' career since the time he was drafted and he has always been a good defenseman. The other benefit with him was that at one time, he was a center, so he sees the ice real well and is always on top of his defensive assignments. He might just be a potential shut down defender in the making.
What is Syvret's contract situation like? Can they send him down just as easily as Bartulis or does he have to clear waivers first? I definitely think one game is way too early to be talking about waiving the other two guys , and with both the injured guys most likely coming back this weekend, they have to make a decision by tomorrow. Great debut by Oskars though, couldn't have gone much better. Had a chance to hang out with him when he was in T.O. just prior to the draft. Good kid.

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I don't think Syvret needs to clear waivers

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Happy now? Jeez.

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The Flyers brass have been very high on Bartulis for quite some time now. The problem they had was trying to find a way to fit him into the lineup. Now that he's in, it's going to be real hard to take him out. We could very possibly see Syvret or Tollefsen or maybe even both waived. A Bartulis/Parent pairing would be something very interesting.

Anyways, I've followed Bartulis' career since the time he was drafted and he has always been a good defenseman. The other benefit with him was that at one time, he was a center, so he sees the ice real well and is always on top of his defensive assignments. He might just be a potential shut down defender in the making.
As much as I like the idea of Bartulis/Parent, don't jump the gun just yet. This was only ONE game.

If Parent is ready to go this weekend (which he very well could be), it's going to be interesting to see if the organization decides to go with Bartulis over Syvret for his pairing.

In fact, with our doctors and Parent's recent injury, I'd be perfectly okay with letting Parent sit and letting Bartulis get a little more lengthy NHL tryout, even if it is with Syvret.

Parent certainly can't be hurt by an extra game or two off. These "lower body" things are starting to get annoying.

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So I just read the Flyers Prospect Update on the Flyers own site and apparently they think that DeSerres was stuck behind "Predators prospect Chet Pickard" in Seattle." How can their own site report something that stupid? I can see if it's some sports reporter that barely knows what hockey is and has to cover 20 sports for his local rag, but I expect correct info on the Flyers site for crying out loud.

Oh and while we're on DeSerres I watched his last game. He really sucks. I've now seen him 8 ish times and hated him every time. Non prospect. Cam Ondrik 2.0 Morrison and Eriksson is where I put my money.

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Oh and while we're on DeSerres I watched his last game. He really sucks. I've now seen him 8 ish times and hated him every time. Non prospect. Cam Ondrik 2.0 Morrison and Eriksson is where I put my money.
Pretty sure everyone's right there with you.

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I was just watching this one.

While the milksteak one might have been my favorite, Charlie attacking the Phillie Phanatic is one of the top-10 moments in the series.

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As much as I like the idea of Bartulis/Parent, don't jump the gun just yet. This was only ONE game.

If Parent is ready to go this weekend (which he very well could be), it's going to be interesting to see if the organization decides to go with Bartulis over Syvret for his pairing.

In fact, with our doctors and Parent's recent injury, I'd be perfectly okay with letting Parent sit and letting Bartulis get a little more lengthy NHL tryout, even if it is with Syvret.

Parent certainly can't be hurt by an extra game or two off. These "lower body" things are starting to get annoying.
Agreed on keeping Bartulis in the lineup for a couple more games to make sure Parent's healthy. He can skate and defend, and he moved the puck well - almost scored too. His passing was off a couple times, but that should come.

Heck, Syvret almost looked like an NHL player with Oskars as his partner.

Let Parent and Tolly rest a bit more to heal, let's see if Bartulis is No. 6.

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So I just read the Flyers Prospect Update on the Flyers own site and apparently they think that DeSerres was stuck behind "Predators prospect Chet Pickard" in Seattle." How can their own site report something that stupid? I can see if it's some sports reporter that barely knows what hockey is and has to cover 20 sports for his local rag, but I expect correct info on the Flyers site for crying out loud.

Oh and while we're on DeSerres I watched his last game. He really sucks. I've now seen him 8 ish times and hated him every time. Non prospect. Cam Ondrik 2.0 Morrison and Eriksson is where I put my money.
You haven't noticed that everything on a sports team's website is a fluff piece? What reason would they have to bash the guy?

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As much as I like the idea of Bartulis/Parent, don't jump the gun just yet. This was only ONE game.

If Parent is ready to go this weekend (which he very well could be), it's going to be interesting to see if the organization decides to go with Bartulis over Syvret for his pairing.

In fact, with our doctors and Parent's recent injury, I'd be perfectly okay with letting Parent sit and letting Bartulis get a little more lengthy NHL tryout, even if it is with Syvret.

Parent certainly can't be hurt by an extra game or two off. These "lower body" things are starting to get annoying.
Bartulis has been ready for over a year now. Like I said, Flyers brass have always been very high on the guy. And from watching games in the AHL, you can really see just how good he really is. Honestly, the guy is a Marcus Ragnarsson clone. He just makes the right play and the simple play 99% of the time.

Bartulis is one of those under the radar guys because he doesn't have an offensive game like Bourdon or a physical game like Marshall. However, his hockey sense is probably unmatched by any another Flyers defensive prospect in the organization right now.

I guess I'm just really sold on Bartulis from following his junior career. He's always been a smooth defenseman who doesn't seem to be overwhelmed or in awe of the environment surrounding him. He's probably the calmest defenseman I've seen and his influence directly affected how Syvret played.

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I was just watching this one.

While the milksteak one might have been my favorite, Charlie attacking the Phillie Phanatic is one of the top-10 moments in the series.
You mean, Phillie Phrenetic, right? Wouldn't want to get sued.

Speaking of Sunny, how about the prominent Flyers pennant on the wall of Dennis and Mac's apartment on last night's episode? I thought that was pretty cool.


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You haven't noticed that everything on a sports team's website is a fluff piece? What reason would they have to bash the guy?
What he's saying is that the Flyers site reported that DeSerres was stuck behind Chet Pickard, the Predators 1st round pick, not Calvin Pickard, Chet's younger brother, who isn't even draft eligible until this coming draft. It sounds more acceptable that DeSerres would lose his starting job, and get traded away, because of a 1st round draft pick goalie, from a few years ago, and not some up and coming goalie, who is two years younger than DeSerres. It's just bad reporting. You can't twist the facts to put a positive spin on something, fluff piece or not.

But, as was said, at this point, I think most of us are putting our hopes on one, or both, of Morrison and Eriksson panning out.

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What he's saying is that the Flyers site reported that DeSerres was stuck behind Chet Pickard, the Predators 1st round pick, not Calvin Pickard, Chet's younger brother, who isn't even draft eligible until this coming draft. It sounds more acceptable that DeSerres would lose his starting job, and get traded away, because of a 1st round draft pick goalie, from a few years ago, and not some up and coming goalie, who is two years younger than DeSerres. It's just bad reporting. You can't twist the facts to put a positive spin on something, fluff piece or not.
Oh, nevermind then. But, as my post would indicate, it's not an obvious mistake to even people that follow hockey.

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Oh, nevermind then. But, as my post would indicate, it's not an obvious mistake to even people that follow hockey.
Doesn't matter. Mistakes like that shouldn't be made.

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Doesn't matter. Mistakes like that shouldn't be made.
Lemme guess. Al Alven?

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If it's the prospects article I read a bit ago, then yes, it was Al.

I didn't focus on it really too much. I skimmed over the names and read Pryor's take on the prospects I have particular interest in.

I don't necessarily trust the Flyers' evaluations of their own prospects, but you can find some decent information in those kind of articles, especially on European prospects they may be focusing on as well as time tables.

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You mean, Phillie Phrenetic, right? Wouldn't want to get sued.

Speaking of Sunny, how about the prominent Flyers pennant on the wall of Dennis and Mac's apartment on last night's episode? I thought that was pretty cool.
I am going to be disappointed if there isn't a cameo by a Flyers player next season. They really need to take the next step and I believe that they do most of the filming in the summer.

Also, to keep this one topic... umm... how about them prospects, eh?

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Saskatoon defeated Brandon 4-3, but neither Morrison nor DeSerres played.

Hostetter had an assist and was +4 in an Erie win on Wednesday. He had another assist tonight.

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