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09-29-2009, 09:48 AM
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Frogren done as a Leaf?

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/hoc...79491-sun.html

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Meanwhile, a glut of defencemen on the roster likely has spelled the end of Jonas Frogren's run as a Leaf.

The team put the Swede on waivers yesterday meaning his days in Blue and White are all but over.

"It's a roster issue and a cap issue," Burke said of Frogren, who had one goal and six assists in 41 games with the Leafs last season.
What a waste.

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Do the Marlies not still wear blue and white?

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Frogren is what we thought he is. Nothing much to him, but I didn't hate him. The situation involving the draft pick makes it tough to swallow, but he was ok.

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Agree...almost everything Cliff touched turned to ****.

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Agree...almost everything Cliff touched turned to ****.
Drafting Schenn and getting Grabovski are his only decent moves that I can think of.

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Drafting Schenn and getting Grabovski are his only decent moves that I can think of.
Signing Hagman?

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I thought Hagman was a great signing, personally.

*edits*

Curses. Beaten to the punch.

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Frogren is what we thought he is. Nothing much to him, but I didn't hate him. The situation involving the draft pick makes it tough to swallow, but he was ok.

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09-29-2009, 09:59 AM
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Drafting Schenn and getting Grabovski are his only decent moves that I can think of.
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Signing Hagman?
Yep, those 3 I like....although Schenn may have been a waste of a high pick.

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I really liked Frogger thought he was a perfect 7th dman....costing us a 2nd round pick I am not too happy about though

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Also, what baout hte return he got for Belak, Gill and Kilger? What about getting Rid of McCabes Salary and creating a new Culture around the team?

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I really liked Frogger thought he was a perfect 7th dman....costing us a 2nd round pick I am not too happy about though
I thought we lost the 4th we got from Tampa.

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I liked Frogren too but with the glut of defenders Burke brought in + the emergence (ahead of schedule IMO) of Carl Gunnarsson pretty much signaled the end of his era in Toronto.

I bet if he would have dropped his gloves a few times last season he would have had a spot on this team though. The guy would block a shot with his face if he had to.

Unfortunate for him but I think a team looking for some solid defensive depth should pick him up as a 6/7 guy. I think he could be a good addition to a club -- especially for free.

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Go back home to us instead!

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Go back home to us instead!
Ya, he got his chance. I imagine it's no regrets for him. He probably never expected to ever even get this chance. He played well, mostly, but wound up losing out to youth, and depth.

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09-29-2009, 10:25 AM
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Frogren was never capable of playing at this level. When he dressed, he was clearly a cut below the other d-men on the ice. The NHL game was too quick for him. I can see why Fletcher would have thought he would be a good addition, with his physical play and slow skating being a better fit for NA hockey, but it didn't work out at planned.

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Besides the draft pick fiasco (fitting it was well after the signing occured and the trade with Tampa), I really didn't see the harm in this signing. He was signed out of Sweden just like Wallin was. Just didn't work out...time to move on.

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Besides the draft pick fiasco (fitting it was well after the signing occured and the trade with Tampa), I really didn't see the harm in this signing. He was signed out of Sweden just like Wallin was. Just didn't work out...time to move on.
The issue I had with it was much like Wallin. He's eating up a roster spot for another young player, who seems more deserving. Hopefully Wallin will show that he deserves an NHL gig though.

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09-29-2009, 10:37 AM
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The issue I had with it was much like Wallin. He's eating up a roster spot for another young player, who seems more deserving. Hopefully Wallin will show that he deserves an NHL gig though.
I don't recall Frogren ever really blocking anyone's development. When he was brought in most expected him to be at best a #5 defender. What he was a 6/7.

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I don't recall Frogren ever really blocking anyone's development. When he was brought in most expected him to be at best a #5 defender. What he was a 6/7.
I'd have preferred to see Stralman getting that ice-time. Frogren showed early that he wasn't capable of playing a regular shift, so there wasn't much of a point to him playing here. You could argue he was a key in moving Colaiacovo as well.

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I knew he was done last year when he let an opposing player wash his face with a glove and didn't do a thing about it. No balls.

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The issue I had with it was much like Wallin. He's eating up a roster spot for another young player, who seems more deserving. Hopefully Wallin will show that he deserves an NHL gig though.
It depends on your criteria of a young player "deserving an NHL gig"...

Players like Frogren, Wallin, Primeau and other veterans are on the roster to push those young players to be better, mostly in consistency, competitiveness and attention to detail. Young players need only play as well as these modest talents and an NHL job is theirs. If these young players get their NHL jobs through entitlement instead of competition, the team deservedly gets mediocrity because obviously mediocrity and a newer birth certificate is enough to earn an NHL job.

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I'd have preferred to see Stralman getting that ice-time. Frogren showed early that he wasn't capable of playing a regular shift, so there wasn't much of a point to him playing here. You could argue he was a key in moving Colaiacovo as well.
Frogren exclusively played the left side defense last season while Stralman exclusively played right side defense. Stralman lost his job to Ian White. Colaiacovo lost his job to a combination of Frogren, Van Ryn AND Finger.

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I'd have preferred to see Stralman getting that ice-time. Frogren showed early that he wasn't capable of playing a regular shift, so there wasn't much of a point to him playing here. You could argue he was a key in moving Colaiacovo as well.
Perhaps but I think the likes of Van Ryn and Finger did more damage on those players then anything. And of course, the emergence of Luke Schenn last season also.

I don't think Frogren was much of a factor in those players personally. He was injured a good chunk of last season. Stralman had his chances to stick, but didn't. I don't think Frogren had anything to do with that.

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Frogren just isn't NHL quality and shouldn't be on the team, that's all.

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