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09-29-2009, 09:42 PM
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if anything you guys got an entertaining player.. when he played in the 4 or so games last year, you where on the edge of your seats.. i hope he does well with you guys..
With a legit chance, he can get 10 and 35 easy

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Well...now we'll see if this guy actually becomes an NHL player or is he doomed to become an AHL lifer/shootout specialist.

Im curious to see how Gordon plays him.
its kinda the opposite of what Frank Sinatra said:

"If you can't make it here, you can't make it anywhere, NEW YORK NEW YORK"

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I think that you of all people should realize that we aren't going to be a contender this season. Or next season. And probably not the season after that.

So, what is the harm in adding someone, at no cost, that has displayed at least some hope of becoming a quality player? The alternative is decidedly worse.
In today's NHL, you never know. This season may be a lost cause, but with some luck, some good trading and coaching, I could see NYI making the playoffs next year, where everyone has a fighting chance.

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I think that you of all people should realize that we aren't going to be a contender this season. Or next season. And probably not the season after that.
True.

None of which is an excuse for adding terribly flawed players to your already-terribly-flawed roster squad. Even if it's "no risk." (I disagree with that description of the situation, but it's not worth debating.)

If one deems Schremp a good risk (or even, more confoundingly, a good player) then this move makes sense, no argument here. And some clearly do; fair enough.

I simply do not consider him a good player (by NHL standards), nor do I share what I perceive as baseless wishful thinking of some that he will become one. I believe that, at best, he will become a very-modestly efficient offensive contributor who will be a liability on the ice much of the time. I care about the liability part more than others, clearly. Hence I do not think he is "no risk." For I want this team to win games as PART OF ITS REBUILD. NOW.

This player will not contribute toward that objective, IMO. I hope I'm incorrect.

But, alas....

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if anything you guys got an entertaining player..With a legit chance, he can get 10 and 35 easy


This is how far this franchise has fallen. Fans of other teams think we should be interested in an "exciting" 10/35 player.

Marius, we hardly knew ye....

As someone else wrote elsewhere, this is the last guy I want around JT. This is precisely the type of player you do not want your young offfffensive star to emulate, not if you want a player.


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09-30-2009, 12:48 AM
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No offense, but when I see someone complaining about acquiring a relatively young guy that has been with 1 organization in his career that has a lot of skill and really showed a lot of improvement this camp, the coming to a team that is in all likelihood a rebuilding team, it makes me question the reasoning? It's not as if the Isles or Oilers for that matter suddenly become cup contenders with a more responsible replacement for Schremp. If that's what you want, claim Liam Reddox.

Be thankful that you have the luxury of having guys like Okposo, Bailey, and Tavares to build for the future and that you will get at least some entertainment value out of Schremp no matter how long/short his stay will be. You can't always be a cup contender, at least enjoy the positives.

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09-30-2009, 12:49 AM
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just as a FYI, we had him on our show last night to talk about getting picked up by the Islanders: http://www.thepipelineshow.com/clips...emp_sept29.mp3

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09-30-2009, 12:56 AM
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No offense....
Your patronizing line about " You can't always be a cup contender, at least enjoy the positive," may work with many Isles fans. This Isles fan and others have been waiting for a respectable team for 25+ years. As such, I do not hyper-ventilate about slower players who lack fundamental hockey traits approaching age 25.

Exciting ESPN-like highlights, niiiiiiice stick moves, and occasional shiny personal offensive AHL stats alone do not cut it for me. (They do for others. Cool. We watch a different game.) That's style, not substance.


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09-30-2009, 01:03 AM
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No offense, but I really get a kick out of posters who make positive assumptions, based on a guy being...drumroll....younnnnng.

Look your patronizing line about " You can't always be a cup contender, at least enjoy the positive," may work with some newbie Isles fans. This Isles fan and others have been waiting for a respectable team for 25+ years. As such, I do not hyper-ventilate about slower players who lack fundamental hockey traits approaching age 25. ESPN highlights, niiiiiiice stick moves, and intermittent shiny personal offensive AHL stats do not cut it for me. (They do for others. Cool. We watch a different game.)

So, respectfully, please, take your career AHLer and "excite" yourself.
You may as well remove yourself from fandom until the Islanders return to prominence then. Your team has some really solid young building blocks regardless of if Schremp stays 10 games or 10 years.

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09-30-2009, 01:09 AM
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You may as well remove yourself from fandom until the Islanders return to prominence then. Your team has some really solid young building blocks regardless of if Schremp stays 10 games or 10 years.
Here's a suggestion: you worry about your fandom, I'll worry about mine. I've been with this franchise for decades, I'm not leaving them now.

The fact that NYI is slowly rebuilding, and acquiring and developing some young talent of its own, is no excuse for picking up drek.

Let's let your non-playoff team be a "tryout station" for other team's waiver wire fodder. Keep your eyes open for the next round of NYI cuts...some great young talent bound to be available.

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Here's the things I worry about: 270+ goals against last season. Add the liability Schremp along with the rookie Tavares, the slow Weight and still exceedingly inexperienced Bailey and Okposo on your top six...and your team is very vulnerable without the puck. Read: likely to be defensively inept....again. And they will be without the puck a lot: not a ton of speed (puck pursuit) in that group.

Now, I would not change a thing with the other players mentioned in the paragraph above. But you do not "complement" them with an AHL underachiever. You add a proven NHLer to your top six, by trade or free agency. Yes, even in a reeeeebuild.

But not here. This is Islander Country.


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Here's a suggestion: you worry about your fandom, I'll worry about mine. I've been with this franchise for decades, I'm not leaving them now.

The fact that NYI is slowly rebuilding, and acquiring and developing some young talent of its own, is no excuse for picking up drek.

Let's let your non-playoff team be a "tryout station" for other team's waiver wire fodder. Keep your eyes open for the next round of NYI cuts...some great young talent bound to be available.

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Here's the things I worry about: 270+ goals against last season. Add the liability Schremp along with the rookie Tavares, the slow Weight and still exceedingly inexperienced Bailey and Okposo on your top six...and your team is very vulnerable without the puck.

Now, I would not change a thing with the other players mentioned above. But you do not "complement" them with an AHL underachiever. You add a proven NHLer to your top six, by trade or free agency. Yes, even in a reeeeebuild.

But not here. This is Islander Country.
With all due respect, where do you draw the line between developing the kids and giving a lot of time to vets? Has Snow come out and given an estimate for when he'd like to ice a competitive team? Reduilds are tricky business. I'd be looking at trying to land Hall while developing Tavares and co. and then start filling the other holes with vets if I were GM of the Isles.

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haha i gotta say bryanbryoil great avaitar sh****it cracks me up. Look i relize shremp may be lazy, may be a bad influence on growing players in taveras ex.. But its another young player with potential. That what you do in a rebuild. Players with a high potental. If he doesnt cut it or work Snow and Gord will see it and send him down. At least with Tambs he works and does everything the coach has asked of him. If Shremp has the attitude that is rumored then he will not be around. Gordon is the type of coach that you need to work to keep your spot ( hence comrie and guerin of last year). I have no worries in the pick up. He will either work or be gone very quick with players like smith ex... waiting for a spot who gordon will gladly call up to fill his spot before nielson comes back.

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It is a fair point about Schremp's attitude poisoning Tavares, but Tavares has been a gamer his entire career so far; I can't see him slacking off just because he sees Schremp not being 100% committed. He has probably played with "slackers" and guys with bad attitudes his entire life!

Also, he should have plenty of better role models to choose from like Weight and Roloson.

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No offense, but when I see someone complaining about acquiring a relatively young guy that has been with 1 organization in his career that has a lot of skill and really showed a lot of improvement this camp, the coming to a team that is in all likelihood a rebuilding team, it makes me question the reasoning? It's not as if the Isles or Oilers for that matter suddenly become cup contenders with a more responsible replacement for Schremp. If that's what you want, claim Liam Reddox.

Be thankful that you have the luxury of having guys like Okposo, Bailey, and Tavares to build for the future and that you will get at least some entertainment value out of Schremp no matter how long/short his stay will be. You can't always be a cup contender, at least enjoy the positives.
dont post much...but had to post on how much i agree with this comment....what the heck do we got to lose? and if anyone will say maybe we could be better with another 2 way responsible player...ive never seen a successful rebuild without one risk panning out......here's ours..lets go isles

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It is a fair point about Schremp's attitude poisoning Tavares
Meh, not really. Like you say, JT's a gamer, I sincerely doubt he looks at Rob Schremp and thinks to himself "That's where I want to be in a few years!" I'd think he's smart enough to realize he needs to give it everything he has or he'll end up another junior sensation that never made it as an NHLer. I just don't see that happening.

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Speaking as a person who has had many a conversation both on and off the record with Schremp over the last 2/3 of a decade I'd like to express my opinion that the much talked about attitude problems he has are complete bunk.

I've spoken with coaches and teammates past and present and none have ever told me that he's anything but a good teammate. No one has said to me that he's a "me-first guy" or selfish or even arrogant.

He has a swagger, not as much now as he did when he was 18, but confidence is a good thing.

It's my opinion that he was wrongly labeled as a problem child in his draft year and unfortunately it's something he might never shake.

Is he a NHL player? I don't know but I'm happy for him that he'll get the chance to prove it one way or the other.

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Speaking as a person who has had many a conversation both on and off the record with Schremp over the last 2/3 of a decade I'd like to express my opinion that the much talked about attitude problems he has are complete bunk.

I've spoken with coaches and teammates past and present and none have ever told me that he's anything but a good teammate. No one has said to me that he's a "me-first guy" or selfish or even arrogant.

He has a swagger, not as much now as he did when he was 18, but confidence is a good thing.

It's my opinion that he was wrongly labeled as a problem child in his draft year and unfortunately it's something he might never shake.

Is he a NHL player? I don't know but I'm happy for him that he'll get the chance to prove it one way or the other.

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The attitude problem has more to do with the fact that how many times did he say on your show "thery say I have problem with my skill or skill set". Schremp did not think he had to work at the espects that Mact and co said he had to work on.

The attitide problem from the outside looking in--can be found in your interview tonight

"I was one of the best players on the ice" did he watch the games afterwards

I am curious if he reviewed the game afterwards--in tampa he was mia when he was on the ice. He does not get the big point of it is not about what he does as an individual but as a team .

I hope him all the best==mostly cause both MAct and HIm are gone from the oilers and now we can talk about other things

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I really don't care if he scores 20 goals as a cherry picker or floater... We'll take any goals we can get!
Talent has never been his problem, being committed to conditioning, growing his game and his skating were from what I can remember reading about him as an Oiler prospect and seeing a few games when he was in WBS.

Maybe he takes it seriously that he can actually crack the Islanders roster without a problem, but to stay in the NHL, he'll have to prove he is committed by working on his conditioning, skating, attitude, etc.

I always thought he would be a solid player if he really committed himself, there are a lot of players like that and many don't commit themselves to working hard. Rob is young, he still has time to turn it around.

Pretty good Islanders off-season, adding 2 insurance policy goaltenders, Tavares and now Schremp...good job Snow.

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I like the idea of this. If all goes well, and he decides to wake up and stop being stupid about his career, who knows, maybe he can shine with this team. Maybe Dougie Weight can talk some sense into him ;D

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Pretty good Islanders off-season, adding 2 insurance policy goaltenders, Tavares and now Schremp...good job Snow.
1. At least one goalie was a necessity for player development. Two was better. Agree there.
2. Snow couldn't have gone wrong with Tavares or Hedman, I think. He doesn't deserve too much credit for that choice... yet.
3. Big negative: fragile, inconsistent, small defense corps. Last year's problem is (still) this year's problem.
4. Big negative: serious weakness at center. We're small, old, and fragile. Last year's problem (once Sillinger went down) is this year's problem. Nielsen is injured. Weight can't maintain play over a whole year. Bailey is developing, but will be forced to carry a load to big for him. Tavares would be better off starting on the wing (his scoring *will* be slower to develop at center - we need to be patient with this). Park may have to center a line instead of being a complement to young players.
5. Little movement on Lighthouse project.
6. Josh Bailey is developing.
7. De Haan move is long-term, but seems very positive.
8. Organizational depth at goal has been addressed. Big hopes for Koskinen. Positive.
9. Matt Martin seems destined to fill a light-heavyweight complimentary role. Another good thing.
10. Mark Streit named captain. (Hasn't happened yet, but I'd drop a hundy if it doesn't.) Another good thing.

So there are 3 big negatives (lighthouse). A couple of big positives. And a bunch of little positives. Pretty mixed, I'd say. Schremp isn't even a hidden Waldo in the big picture.

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I have no expectations.

I would be thrilled if ended up being a bit like what Kip Miller was back in that first Yashin/Peca season way back when.

With Weight and Nielsen out, this is certainly not much of a risk.

Still, feel Moulson has done the most to actually "earn" a shot with this team.

We'll know soon enough...

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I'm with you.

However, I'll throw two things out there:

I don't see Schremp poisoning Tavares. If anything, I think there's a chance more-skilled, more-hyped Tavares could have a positive impact on Schremp if Schremp sees Tavares working hard on all aspects of his game. It would be hard for Schremp to justify a primadonna attitude re: Tavares.

We always think of St. Louis and Briere as a couple of guys who became stars after being waived. Obviously they are exceptions and Schremp becoming either of them is a longshot. However, Schremp does have one thing in common with them. Like them, he also has a track record of putting up a tremendous number of points as a junior player. Going way back, Ray Ferraro is another guy who was a bit of a question mark as a young NHLer after setting records in the WHL, and he became a player. To hope a 50 point CHL player becomes a 70 point NHLer is more of a longshot than hoping a 120 point CHLer becomes a 70 point NHLer, FWIW. Not to focus merely on points....

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Your patronizing line about " You can't always be a cup contender, at least enjoy the positive," may work with many Isles fans. This Isles fan and others have been waiting for a respectable team for 25+ years. As such, I do not hyper-ventilate about slower players who lack fundamental hockey traits approaching age 25.
FWIW, he just turned 23 3 months ago

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I was a total advocate to make this pick-up if it became available.

A lot of people feel he was under achieving and lazy—drawing comparisons to Kvasha and that we did not need another team's garbage, and that Schremp would be useless here.

Those folks may be proven right. There is no doubt that schremp could be a total bust in Islander blue and orange just like he was in Edmonton.

But there is also a good possibility that he can click in Gordon's system, and by not being under quite as much pressure to perform on Long Island vs. Edmonton, he could prove to be a player that can add secondary punch to an offense that right now is a one-trick pony in Tavares, Weight and Okposo.

Add to this Neilsen's injury, and we now have what could be a strong 1-2-3 punch up the middle in Weight-Bailey-Scremp and when Neilsen comes back it adds to our strength.

Is the guy a savior—probably not. But give some ice time, a new system and perhaps this indeed was a wake-up call for him—he could prove to be an asset.

Smart move. It costs us nothing, and could be a boon. If it turns out to be a bust—he goes down to Bridgeport or is released at season's end.

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With all due respect, where do you draw the line between developing the kids and giving a lot of time to vets? Has Snow come out and given an estimate for when he'd like to ice a competitive team? Reduilds are tricky business. I'd be looking at trying to land Hall while developing Tavares and co. and then start filling the other holes with vets if I were GM of the Isles.
while the isles may not be world beaters this season, the goal is to win and help the kids develop a sense of winning...already trying to land hall is an awful outlook and approach to the season before it starts...also, i think fowler would be a better option as our defense is short on prospects...pun intended.
picking up schremp was smart. hes got skill and adds a young player with lots of skill and potential that hasnt been touched. could he continue to be a slug? absolutely and if thats the case, snow and gordon wont just let it continue, hell be shipped to the bridge

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The attitude problem has more to do with the fact that how many times did he say on your show "thery say I have problem with my skill or skill set". Schremp did not think he had to work at the espects that Mact and co said he had to work on.

The attitide problem from the outside looking in--can be found in your interview tonight

"I was one of the best players on the ice" did he watch the games afterwards

I am curious if he reviewed the game afterwards--in tampa he was mia when he was on the ice. He does not get the big point of it is not about what he does as an individual but as a team .

I hope him all the best==mostly cause both MAct and HIm are gone from the oilers and now we can talk about other things
Great news! Can't wait!

Also, I feel like I'm following you around the board correcting your quotes but Schremp actually said: "During practice and scrimmages, I was one of the best players on the ice, I felt - that's my own judgement -biased or not".

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