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09-30-2009, 10:08 AM
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so when do we find out if McCormick cleared waivers? Really hoping he stays in the organization.

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09-30-2009, 10:12 AM
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so when do we find out if McCormick cleared waivers? Really hoping he stays in the organization.
He cleared. It was reported in TBN.

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09-30-2009, 10:15 AM
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Gerbe and Weber are going back to Portland.

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Gerbe and Butler are going back to Portland.

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That says Weber

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Gerbe and Butler are going back to Portland.

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Harrington has it as Weber, not Butler.

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Gerbe and Butler are going back to Portland.

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Wow, Myers sends Butler packing.

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Wow, Myers sends Butler packing.
The wrong -er. Weber went, Butler stayed.

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Gerbe has to be getting frustrated.

Good call to keep Kennedy up!

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That says Weber
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Harrington has it as Weber, not Butler.
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Wow, Myers sends Butler packing.
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The wrong -er. Weber went, Butler stayed.
LOL, I read Butler but thought Weber.

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so when do we find out if McCormick cleared waivers? Really hoping he stays in the organization.
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He cleared. It was reported in TBN.
He still will face re-entry in the event of a call-up, right? Maybe they slip him back through right away?

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09-30-2009, 10:31 AM
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Gerbe has to be getting frustrated.

Good call to keep Kennedy up!
IMO Gerbe doesn't have enough to make an NHL roster.

He's a tweener, a top player in the AHL that can't get anywhere near the the same level of play at the NHL level.

He can be frustrated all he wants, but he's just not good enough.

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09-30-2009, 10:33 AM
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The wrong -er. Weber went, Butler stayed.
Wow, Myers sent Weber packing lol.

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Gerbe has to be getting frustrated.

Good call to keep Kennedy up!
Gerbe should use it as another proverbial chip on the shoulder. He is only a second year guy and the roster is crowded. He made it difficult on Ruff, which is good. He will be an early call up for a top six winger injury, IMO.

I like Kennedy and hope he continues to develop. I love that he was a plus 4 in preseason, created chances and played with an edge. I hope he is used properly.

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09-30-2009, 10:35 AM
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He still will face re-entry in the event of a call-up, right? Maybe they slip him back through right away?
I think that's only if his AHL salary exceeds a certain level, right? This is from nhlscap but I don't know if it's current.


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Re-entry waivers – new to this CBA is the provision that certain players recalled to the NHL must clear waivers to join the team holding his NHL rights; any other team may claim said player for 50% of his cap hit and salary, with the team attempting to recall taking the other 50% of each. In general, players are not subject to re-entry [recall] waivers unless:

1. The player is on a -way contract and is subject to waivers when assigned to the minors; or
2. The player is on a 2-way contract whose minor league salary is in excess of

2007-08: $100,000
2008-09: $100,000
2009-10: $105,000
2010-11: $105,000
2011-12: $105,000

#2 above does not apply to a player who

1. If a goalie, the goalie has played in 180 or more professional games [NHL, AHL, or ECHL; regular season and playoffs] or, if a skater, 320 or more professional games; AND
2. Has not spent more than 80 games on an NHL roster in the prior 2 seasons or 40 or more games on an NHL roster in the immediately prior season.

Notes and explanations

1. As of October 10, 2007 the only players on a 1-way contract who are not subject to waivers [and thus not subject to recall waivers] are
-- Andrew Greene, NJ
-- Josh Harding, MIN
-- Vadim Khomitski, DAL
-- Ville Koistinen, NSH
-- Staffan Kronvall, TOR
-- Joel Lundqvist, DAL
-- Cory Murphy, FLA [will be exempt for all of 2007-08 only]
-- Alexander Semin, WSH
-- Hannu Toivonen, STL
-- Noah Welch, FLA

2. Any other player on a 1-way contract would be subject to recall waivers … meaning that guys like Denis Gauthier, Nolan Baumgartner, and Petr Cajanek who are in the minors on 1-way contracts would have to clear re-entry waivers to return to their current teams.
3. There are thirty-eight (38) players who have a 2-way contract for 2007-08 and are scheduled to earn in excess of $100,000 at the AHL level this year; of those, only three (3) are subject to recall waivers given the criteria above:
-- Toby Peterson, DAL [spent almost all of '06-07 on the Edmonton roster]
-- Luke Richardson, OTT [spent all of '06-07 on the Tampa Bay roster]
-- Travis Roche, PHX [spent over half of '06-07 on the Phoenix roster]

4. The recall waiver status of a player does not change during the season – so players currently exempt from recall waivers remain exempt for the entire season, and players who are subject to recall waivers remain subject for the entire season.

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09-30-2009, 10:37 AM
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He still will face re-entry in the event of a call-up, right? Maybe they slip him back through right away?
If I understand how re-rentry works. His AHL salary will determine if he has to go through or not. I'm. Guessing with a two way deal his AHL salary is low enough to not have to go through waivers.

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Sounds like they're keeping 24 up. Who's going on the IR? Lydman? Mair? I'd guess the former since Mair practiced fully yesterday. Presumably, they kept Kennedy up to play him. Who's the healthy scratch tomorrow night, Paille or Ellis?

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IMO Gerbe doesn't have enough to make an NHL roster.

He's a tweener, a top player in the AHL that can't get anywhere near the the same level of play at the NHL level.

He can be frustrated all he wants, but he's just not good enough.

I disagree, I think he is good enough and the fact Ruff kept him around until last cuts shows he has what it takes. The only problem now is that our depth and focus on managing defensive responsibility over run and gun approach kept Kennedy over Gerbe. His day will come soon enough though.

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Sounds like they're keeping 24 up. Who's going on the IR? Lydman? Mair? I'd guess the former since Mair practiced fully yesterday. Presumably, they kept Kennedy up to play him. Who's the healthy scratch tomorrow night, Paille or Ellis?
Very happy they kept Ellis. I think Paille sits. Ellis has been working on his shooting and he plays the way Ruff preaches.

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IMO Gerbe doesn't have enough to make an NHL roster.

He's a tweener, a top player in the AHL that can't get anywhere near the the same level of play at the NHL level.

He can be frustrated all he wants, but he's just not good enough.
Maybe, but it is just too early to tell. The kid has loads of talent and plays with a huge heart in a physical league with big men right now. I think the speed of the game is different, but speed is not his issue.

Too early to write off after 10 games!!! I highly doubt the Sabres have written him off. They will give him a chance to succeed.

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I disagree, I think he is good enough and the fact Ruff kept him around until last cuts shows he has what it takes. The only problem now is that our depth and focus on managing defensive responsibility over run and gun approach kept Kennedy over Gerbe. His day will come soon enough though.
I just don't see an NHL player in him. I've watched him in person for numerous games and have come away extremely underwhelmed every time. He's all hype with no substance IMO.

He gets knocked off the puck far too easily, and just doesn't look like he belongs on the ice at the NHL level to me. I hope I'm wrong, but my gut says he's a Jody Gage career AHLer type player.

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Sounds like they're keeping 24 up. Who's going on the IR? Lydman? Mair? I'd guess the former since Mair practiced fully yesterday. Presumably, they kept Kennedy up to play him. Who's the healthy scratch tomorrow night, Paille or Ellis?
agree... It better be Paille getting scratched. Looks like Lydman to IR.

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Sounds like they're keeping 24 up. Who's going on the IR? Lydman? Mair? I'd guess the former since Mair practiced fully yesterday. Presumably, they kept Kennedy up to play him. Who's the healthy scratch tomorrow night, Paille or Ellis?
Mair has not yet passed his physical, so at the moment, he's not part of the 24.

Edit - Harrington has this up on Gerbe -

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Some comments from Gerbe as he left the building: "You feel more comfortable and you start playing more like yourself but again there's no room on the roster. I've got to go to Portland, work hard and force something. I feel so much better to leave on a good note. I thought I did all I could.

"I think I'm right there. I felt pretty good the last few games. Once you feel good and get that confidence, you feel you can play with anyway. That's kind of how I was feeling."

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Some comments from Gerbe as he left the building: "You feel more comfortable and you start playing more like yourself but again there's no room on the roster. I've got to go to Portland, work hard and force something. I feel so much better to leave on a good note. I thought I did all I could.

"I think I'm right there. I felt pretty good the last few games. Once you feel good and get that confidence, you feel you can play with anyway. That's kind of how I was feeling."
That is exactly, almost to a word, what I would hope to hear from him. Absolutely perfect.

Well said, Gerbil. Very well said.

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That's debatable. Line chemistry is important, and having Tiny Tim's broken ass in and out of the lineup doesn't help things. Not to mention one more big concussion and his career could be over, and we have him under contract until 2011.

Looking only at center options available at the trade deadline ignores the fact that we needed a center for the 2 full seasons before that. We're now going into our 3rd straight season without a reliable number 1 center.



You're letting your optimism cloud yours. The stats are what they are - Tim is good for, on average, about 40 games a year. That's the objective reality of the situation. Expecting much more or less than that is simply subjective opinion - you're certainly entitled to one, but let's not pretend that it's an objective fact.
You don't think that Roy is a good #1 center? He's a 70-80pt player and I know a lot of teams would love to have him on their first line. Not everybody has 100pt Art Ross winners on their top line.

Your point with line chemistry is a good one, but with how much line shuffling Ruff is prone to do I'm not sure Connolly being in and out of the lineup would really make much of a difference. Connolly is a very good player, and when he plays he makes a big difference. I'd rather have a very good player for 50 games than an average one for 82. We already have plenty of those.

I must say, I've never been called an optimistic before. I kind of like it.

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