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09-30-2009, 11:23 PM
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I never understood that. Doesn't Quantity X Quality = Quality.
explain to me where your "quality" is in this deal? Phillips? Schenn has bigger upside than Lee and Zubov combined......kings don't give a damn about any of your picks and Greene is more valuable to the kings than Phillips.

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09-30-2009, 11:26 PM
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Ruutu, Lee and Phillips play on the Kings tomorrow and each replace weaker players currently on the roster. Is the future not now in L.A.?
after explaining the quality you send to us....explain how those three replace our "weaker" players. we trade away a 5th overall pick and a shut down tough as nails dman for a bottom 6er who will only play on the 4th line, a dman that would essentially take up Greene's spot (and i said that Greene is more valuable than Phillips) and we get a dman and center that get sent down to the Ahl.......Zubov won't play ahead of Lewis and Lee won't play ahead of Drewiske.

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09-30-2009, 11:29 PM
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name me the 3 players that Ruutu, Lee, and Phillips would replace on opening night.

I see Lee waiting in line...
I see Ruutu blocking a spot

but yes, Phillips would help...he's worth Matt Greene & Brayden Schenn though ? i don't think so
o.k. Philips over Greene; Lee over Drewiske; Ruutu over Ivanans

Drewiske played with Greene throughout the pre-season, but Murray was not pleased with the results.

"Quite candidly, the pair that I used throughout the exhibition games with Greene and Drewiske have just had a little bit of a difficult time there in some situations that I feel would get cleaned up if we separated them," Murray said. "It's a pair I think can work. They're big guys, big bodies, shut-down pair. As a philosophy, as a coach, for me I always like to have the big defending defenseman paired with a player who has maybe a little more mobility and puck-skill, to be able to carry the puck at different times."

Guess what? Lee and Phillips have been a D pairing in the past. One is a shut down D and the other is mobile D. Just what the guy likes. Made to order.

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09-30-2009, 11:54 PM
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The Kings are pretty much set right now, we don't need to add a bunch of pieces.

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i dont think this works for either team.

too much of our current team to give up for a guy who is still in junior, and for LA there is no one player in there that gives them a reason to trade a top prospect like schenn.

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09-30-2009, 11:58 PM
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To L.A.
LW Jarko Ruutu (1.3 million)
D Chris Phillips (3.5 million)
C Ilya Zubov
D Brian Lee (1.25 million)
San Jose's 2nd round pick 2010 (acquired in Heatley trade)
Ottawa's 3rd round pick 2010

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D Matt Greene (2.95 million)
C Brayden Schenn

Notes: L.A. ends up with one 1st rounder, three 2nd rounders and four 3rd rounders at next year's draft! Brian Lee and Jack Johnson were a pairing for the U.S. WJC team. Phillips could team up with Scuderi. Sens save $3.1 million in cap.

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Makes the Sens worse and fleeces them of depth. Why? Why would they do this?

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09-30-2009, 11:59 PM
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o.k. Philips over Greene; Lee over Drewiske; Ruutu over Ivanans
Greene is just fine for the Kings, and he's signed for a while with a low cap hit. Thanks, but no thanks; we'll hang onto him.

That leaves Ruutu+Lee for Schenn. Not going to happen.

Besides, Ruutu is a pest and Raitis is an enforcer. That's not a replacement.

If you guys really wanted Schenn, you should have just lost a few more games last season.


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i dont think this works for either team.

too much of our current team to give up for a guy who is still in junior, and for LA there is no one player in there that gives them a reason to trade a top prospect like schenn.
Agree. The value the Kings give up is fair. But the Sens are seriously looking to make the playoffs and contend for the Cup this season. They are not wanting to decimate their Defence and send a valuable Ruutufor young players that are not likely to even play this year.

The Sens are not rebuilding... they fully and completely intend to make the playoffs and do damage if possible. Trading Phillips (who has a NTC so this is a no go anyway) and Lee... Even though Lee was sent to the minors that is a drastic destruction of an already weak D depth.

I do not know if LA would even do this. But I think LA wants to contend and I think they would love Phillips this year. But would they trade Schenn for almost anyone?

A fail for both teams and Phillips NTC makes this a toal no go. Try again.

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10-01-2009, 12:08 AM
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o.k. Philips over Greene; Lee over Drewiske; Ruutu over Ivanans

Drewiske played with Greene throughout the pre-season, but Murray was not pleased with the results.

"Quite candidly, the pair that I used throughout the exhibition games with Greene and Drewiske have just had a little bit of a difficult time there in some situations that I feel would get cleaned up if we separated them," Murray said. "It's a pair I think can work. They're big guys, big bodies, shut-down pair. As a philosophy, as a coach, for me I always like to have the big defending defenseman paired with a player who has maybe a little more mobility and puck-skill, to be able to carry the puck at different times."

Guess what? Lee and Phillips have been a D pairing in the past. One is a shut down D and the other is mobile D. Just what the guy likes. Made to order.
LA keeps their picks because they know how to use them and realize that once they setup that constant heavy flow of talent throughout the depth chart, it vastly reduces the need to have to go to the free agency table or the transaction phone and increases player cohesiveness and organizational pride. They are one of the few organizations building almost exclusively through the draft, that is just how the Lombardi camp works...

As for the deal, Schenn was handpicked for his character. The problem with most people making trade proposals about LA is few know and understand Dean Lombardi. They all think that if they offered Danny Heatley or some great player of the like for less than they are worth in pure skill then LA will run and lap it up - but Dean's #1 criteria is character - he will pick the work horse over the superstar everytime. I am not suggesting that these players don't have it, but just saying that this player is greater than this player therefore you are dumb for not making the trade, completely misinterprets what the Kings are looking for.

In the end, Schenn is being groomed to be that franchise center behind Kopitar, LA is doing very well on defensemen and are not interested in adding a whole slew outside of maybe one cheap veteran to play a low pairing for an equally low price - nothing fancy, given the fact that they have one of the strongest defensive depth charts in the entire NHL...

Ivanans is already being shown the door, Greene is signed another 5 years for a reason, and Drewiske has earned his spot. They are looking to make the playoffs, and they know their chances of winning the Stanley Cup. They aren't looking to trade a potential franchise center for a mediocre increase in their chances of making the playoffs and a mediocre chance at winning the Cup.

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The only player I'm really interested in from Ottawa besides Spezza and Cowen would be Volchenkov. What would it take for Volch if the Sens were dumb enough to trade him, though not even Gainey would trade him.

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LA hates this.
Doesn't Phillips have an NTC/NMC?

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10-01-2009, 01:57 AM
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Neither are the Kings. Without a trade that is. I mean come on, what is with the perpetual rebuilding. For example, what are they doing sitting on three 3rd rounders in next year's draft?
3 years is a perpetual rebuild nowadays?

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o.k. Philips over Greene; Lee over Drewiske; Ruutu over Ivanans

Drewiske played with Greene throughout the pre-season, but Murray was not pleased with the results.

"Quite candidly, the pair that I used throughout the exhibition games with Greene and Drewiske have just had a little bit of a difficult time there in some situations that I feel would get cleaned up if we separated them," Murray said. "It's a pair I think can work. They're big guys, big bodies, shut-down pair. As a philosophy, as a coach, for me I always like to have the big defending defenseman paired with a player who has maybe a little more mobility and puck-skill, to be able to carry the puck at different times."

Guess what? Lee and Phillips have been a D pairing in the past. One is a shut down D and the other is mobile D. Just what the guy likes. Made to order.
Just like when Drewiske and Doughty played together last year?

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I dont get why either team would do this. It doesnt really help either team. In the end, this would be a lose-lose situation.

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i dont think this works for either team.

too much of our current team to give up for a guy who is still in junior, and for LA there is no one player in there that gives them a reason to trade a top prospect like schenn.
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That's a lot of assets to get Schenn but for the Kings it makes no sense

- Greene and Phillips play a similar game
- Kings don't need Lee. They have enough D prospects/young guys
- Zubov, Ruutu, a 2nd and a 3rd? Not sure that's what the Kings would look if they were gonna part with their newly acquired 1st round pick

Overall, the package is good but not really what the Kings would look for if they were gonna trade Schenn.


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To L.A.
LW Jarko Ruutu (1.3 million)
D Chris Phillips (3.5 million)
C Ilya Zubov
D Brian Lee (1.25 million)
San Jose's 2nd round pick 2010 (acquired in Heatley trade)
Ottawa's 3rd round pick 2010

To Ottawa
D Matt Greene (2.95 million)
C Brayden Schenn

Notes: L.A. ends up with one 1st rounder, three 2nd rounders and four 3rd rounders at next year's draft! Brian Lee and Jack Johnson were a pairing for the U.S. WJC team. Phillips could team up with Scuderi. Sens save $3.1 million in cap.

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quantiy vs quality

At this point in time Phillips v Greene is a Push

the rest do not add up to Schenn

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I tought the Kings missed the playoffs 7 straight years? I'll have to look at the past standings.
Please point me to a place where Dave Taylor said the Kings were rebuilding during the few years prior Lombardi's arrival. We get it, the Kings suck. You might as well have said that because what you posted has nothing to do with rebuilding. The Kings started rebuilding and labeling it as such when DL took over. Were the Kings rebuilding in the spring of 2006 when they traded 2 former first round picks (Tambellini and Grebeshkov) for Brent Sopel and Mark Parrish? Or how about the Anson Carter deal at the end of the 2004 season? I'm sure you were paying lots of attention to the Kings then. If you are going to make derisive comments, at least know what the **** you are talking about.

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well take Lee and Phillips off your hands


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Phillips has an NTC, he wouldn't waive to go to LA of all places.

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Phillips has an NTC, he wouldn't waive to go to LA of all places.
Good because Brayden Schenn hates Ottawans!

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I tought the Kings missed the playoffs 7 straight years? I'll have to look at the past standings. Thx for the info



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That's a lot of assets to get Schenn but for the Kings it makes no sense

- Greene and Phillips play a similar game
- Kings don't need Lee. They have enough D prospects/young guys
- Zubov, Ruutu, a 2nd and a 3rd? Not sure that's what the Kings would look if they were gonna part with their newly acquired 1st round pick

Overall, the package is good but not really what the Kings would look for if they were gonna trade Schenn.
So missing the playoffs is considered rebuilding now too?

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So missing the playoffs is considered rebuilding now too?
LOL exactly


So Xspyrit, Ottawa was rebuilding last year then right?

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So Xspyrit, Ottawa was rebuilding last year then right?
Yes, they did. Got a top 10 pick, traded some vets for picks, got a young defender in Campoli, traded a legit top 6 forward for a young goalie and higher round pick. Plus trading Heatley, however I don't know if that counts even if the effect of which was to trade for a forward 4 years younger.

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Yes, they did. Got a top 10 pick, traded some vets for picks, got a young defender in Campoli, traded a legit top 6 forward for a young goalie and higher round pick. Plus trading Heatley, however I don't know if that counts even if the effect of which was to trade for a forward 4 years younger.
Uhhh... No. That's not rebuilding. And No Heatley doesn't count. He demanded a trade. Management didn't trade him out of their own accord to restock the pipeline.

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Phillips has an NTC, he wouldn't waive to go to LA of all places.
Right, because failing in Ottawa is that much more prestigious.

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