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Kaberle For Kostitsyns: Would You Do It?

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10-04-2009, 05:59 PM
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If we trade the Kostitsyn's for a D, we have absolutely no second line. Even as things stand right now, our second line is the problem so imagine if we trade the Kostitsyn's. And the last thing I would want is for them to haunt us like Grabovski seems to do every so often.

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10-04-2009, 06:14 PM
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I make that deal without thinking twice. You can bet your ass that Burke doesn't though.

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10-04-2009, 06:43 PM
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In a heartbeat.

I would be exctatic. If anyone can come close to replace Marky it's Kaberle. It would change the complexion of the team in an instant. First off, Sergei is a write-off of his own will and I think it's worth the risk with Andrei.

I think we'd have to sweeten the pot with a draft pick though. Even then, there is no was Toronto gives us Kaberle when they know we are without Markov for almost the entire year. But hey, it's fun to think about.

Make that proposal to the Leafs a year or two ago and it has a good chance of happening imho.

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10-04-2009, 06:45 PM
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Salaries pretty much match up, adresses both our weakness', we get a great defencman, they get talent up front.

Question is, would you make this deal?

I think I would, but the thought of Grabs and Kosty's scoring on us everytime we play scares me, but I love what Kaberle brings to the table and would be great in Markov's absense and even better with Markov back in the lineup.
Hell no!

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10-04-2009, 06:49 PM
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Tomas Kaberle would be your #1a/b defenceman, you bump down all other defencemen to make room for him.

It's pretty simple.
Markov > Kaberle

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10-04-2009, 06:50 PM
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Markov > Kaberle
Not with a severed tendon in his leg.

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10-04-2009, 06:53 PM
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It doesn't blow Burke's socks off. I know this is simply a proposal, but Burke said many times in the offseason that if we trade Kaberle, we'll spend the entire summer looking for someone who does what he does as well as he does (i.e. premier puck moving d-man) and you'll pay much more than the $4.25M Kabby gets to get him.

It pains me to say this, but JFJ was a genius with this contract.

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10-04-2009, 07:00 PM
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It doesn't blow Burke's socks off. I know this is simply a proposal, but Burke said many times in the offseason that if we trade Kaberle, we'll spend the entire summer looking for someone who does what he does as well as he does (i.e. premier puck moving d-man) and you'll pay much more than the $4.25M Kabby gets to get him.

It pains me to say this, but JFJ was a genius with this contract.
Imo, trading Kaberle made sense for the Leafs a year ago. Not any more. At least not right now.

Why? Because they were able to get Kessel without him going the other way. And because you want to wait where your team will be come trade deadline and once Kessel start playing if you're the Leafs.

He is too much of a great value to trade right now. And two under-achieving Kostitsyns are not enough to make it worthwhile to move him. The only knock I have on Kaberle is his tendency to get injured. Other than that he is about as close as you can get to replace Andrei Markov.

Now, if the Habs are barely hanging in the playoff picture in say January and the Leafs aren't, the option to move Kaberle becomes interesting again because you get more in return at that point.

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10-04-2009, 07:03 PM
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No, if it were the off-season and we didn't sign mara, gill and spacek, then yes. But now, no. We can't replace what we lost.

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10-04-2009, 07:06 PM
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Imo, trading Kaberle made sense for the Leafs a year ago. Not any more. At least not right now.

Why? Because they were able to get Kessel without him going the other way. And because you want to wait where your team will be come trade deadline and once Kessel start playing if you're the Leafs.

He is too much of a great value to trade right now. And two under-achieving Kostitsyns are not enough to make it worthwhile to move him. The only knock I have on Kaberle is his tendency to get injured. Other than that he is about as close as you can get to replace Andrei Markov.

Now, if the Habs are barely hanging in the playoff picture in say January and the Leafs aren't, the option to move Kaberle becomes interesting again because you get more in return at that point.
Not counting that with the way Toronto's defense has been playing in the first two games (especially Beauchemin and Komisarek), it wouldn't be wise to trade their only bright spot back there.

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10-04-2009, 07:08 PM
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Don't think it'd be enough to land Kaberle. Not quite sure Burke would be interested either.
But I don't want to see Grabovski and the Kost broz in TO.

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10-04-2009, 07:11 PM
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Not counting that with the way Toronto's defense has been playing in the first two games (especially Beauchemin and Komisarek), it wouldn't be wise to trade their only bright spot back there.
Indeed.

It's just not the right time for that big a trade between two division rivals. That said, I would love to see Kaberle in Montreal. It's just not reasonable to even consider that Burke would do us that favour knowning the situation we're in right now.

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10-04-2009, 07:22 PM
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Kaberle is good, but his contract is better, the more you wait into his contract, the less value he has IMO. It doesn't go down by a massive amount but still.

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10-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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How wouldn't you? the trade is lop sided for us.. how people can't see it is beyond me

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10-04-2009, 08:55 PM
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At this point? Yes.

With Sergei somehow getting back into the team, No.

I voted yes

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Yes!! Are you kidding? Although facepalm at Komi, Grabs and the Kosts all on the Leafs

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as one of the more vocal Andrei supporters since his drafting, this season I'm starting to get the feeling maybe he really is a lifeless kind of player....

I voted Yes to the trade
exactly. sad but true.

I voted yes too.

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It doesn't blow Burke's socks off. I know this is simply a proposal, but Burke said many times in the offseason that if we trade Kaberle, we'll spend the entire summer looking for someone who does what he does as well as he does (i.e. premier puck moving d-man) and you'll pay much more than the $4.25M Kabby gets to get him.

It pains me to say this, but JFJ was a genius with this contract.
Agreed.

ELC aside, Kaberle's contract is the best contract in the league. His contract alone is worth a first, THEN you have to give up players, picks and prospects for Kaberle himself. Especially considering I believe he has 1 year left after this ? Might be wrong on that. He seems to have been on this contract forever too.

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In less than a heartbeat yes.

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10-04-2009, 09:39 PM
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I'm surprised anyone would say no to this deal! If Burke is crazy enough to trade a rare commodity like Kaberle for a player of Kostitsyn caliber, the habs would be crazy to refuse that. I mean, at worst we could trade him for a better package once Markov comes back. There's no way Burke does that. Kaberle is worth considerably more than Kostitsyn, who isn't worth much IMHO...

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I'm surprised anyone would say no to this deal!
Agreed. If someone dared asking the same question on the Leafs' board, they'd be laughed out of the section in not time and the thread would be locked.

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10-04-2009, 09:48 PM
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I think the deal would be more like:
the Kostitsyns + 3rd rounder + Carle

for Kaberle + 6th Rounder

Carle could jump right in their Line up, a third rounder is a third rounder and the kostitsyn would help thier top 6 immediatly.

Karberle would make our D corps the best in the league if it can stay healthy (Karberle + Markov + Spacek + Hamrlik + Mara + Gorgeous + O'byrne + Gill :O :O )

but our top 6 without Kostitsyn would be bad.

Patch- Gomez- Gionta
Cammallerri - Pleks - Lats/D'ags
Thats 2 major holes for at least this year to let time for d'ags and patch develop but in the long run this deal would be very good.
+ Carle is behind PK subban and Weber on the long term depth chart.

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I think the deal would be more like:
the Kostitsyns + 3rd rounder + Carle

for Kaberle + 6th Rounder

Carle could jump right in their Line up, a third rounder is a third rounder and the kostitsyn would help thier top 6 immediatly.

Karberle would make our D corps the best in the league if it can stay healthy (Karberle + Markov + Spacek + Hamrlik + Mara + Gorgeous + O'byrne + Gill :O :O )

but our top 6 without Kostitsyn would be bad.

Patch- Gomez- Gionta
Cammallerri - Pleks - Lats/D'ags
Thats 2 major holes for at least this year to let time for d'ags and patch develop but in the long run this deal would be very good.
+ Carle is behind PK subban and Weber on the long term depth chart.
If we had that d corp, we could package one of our Ds with one of our prospect and get an adequate forward for the top six...

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10-04-2009, 10:20 PM
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If we had that d corp, we could package one of our Ds with one of our prospect and get an adequate forward for the top six...
I'd move Hamrlik, there's nobody else to trade off that blue line that would bring in anything worthy of being a top 6 forward.

You likely wouldn't see Mara, Spacek or Gill being moved (just signed), O'Byrne's not worth much... and Josh Gorges wouldn't fetch a top 6 forward, even though he's a good #5/6 defenceman. Even if you move Hamrlik, you'd likely have to take back a forward that is getting paid $5M or so, to match Hammer's contract.

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10-04-2009, 11:32 PM
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My lord, yes! I'll do that trade without a second thought.
Kaberle is already one of the best offensive D's out there that is getting wasted in Toronto. He may not be elite but if not, he is close. As for the Kosty brothers, sorry, they haven't even established as good NHL players. A Kost is close but last I checked he still hasn't even reached Kaberle's offensive numbers. Sorry, Burke would be a class A moron to do this trade, specially with that contract Kaberle has. Probably one of the best contracts out there.

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