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04-07-2004, 11:15 PM
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now seriously, can we have a NON leafs fan please give some recognition to McCabe. I just don't get how you can blame outKast for disagreeing with you. McCabe is a good defenseman but not in the same league as Niedermayer, Gonchar, Lidstrom, Jovanovski, Hatcher, Pronger. There are just about 10 guys who deserve a lot more recognition than him.

My pick for Norris: Niedermayer by a hair over Pronger. and Niedermayer over McCabe by the distance between the Milkyway and Andromeda galaxies.
I just do not understand why someone can be one of the statistical leaders in MOST categories, and get shot down for CONSIDERATION for an award. I'm calling Niedermayer to win, but to say McCabe deserves NO consideration is one of the strangest claims I've ever heard...

Can anyone explain how this is not in the same league...

Pos Player GP G A PTS +/- PPG SHG GWG GTG PIM SH PCT

1st D Sergei Gonchar, BOS 71 11 47 58 -14 6 0 0 1 56 161 6.8
2nd D Scott Niedermayer, NJ 81 14 40 54 20 9 0 3 0 44 165 8.5
3rd D Chris Pronger, STL 80 14 40 54 -1 7 0 3 0 88 203 6.9
4th D Marek Zidlicky, NAS 82 14 39 53 -16 9 0 4 0 82 143 9.8
5th D Bryan McCabe, TOR 75 16 37 53 22 8 0 2 1 86 168 9.5

Seems to me, of the top 5 defenders for points, he has the most goals, the top +/-, and the second least games. All this done while playing these minutes...(in comparison to the other top 5 defenders time on ice per game)

1st Pronger: 27:27
2nd Gonchar: 27:26
3rd Niedermayer: 25:53
4th McCabe: 25:43
5th Zidlicky: 20:02


Now...maybe points, +/-, and other statistics don't decide a players worth...but to say that McCabe does not at least deserve RECOGNITION for what he's done this season is nothing short of personal bias on behalf of yourselves.

(By the way, I appologize for being a Leafs fan who replied, when you asked for a non-Leafs fan, however I believe the numbers justify mine, and others claims that he deserves consideration.)


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who I think: Niedermayer
Chara's offensive stats were inflated by his team's explosive offense

homer pick: Ohlund, he at least deserves a nomination. he was logging 30+ mins of icetime a night when Jovanovski was out..

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04-08-2004, 06:03 AM
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I heard AP Berg was a shoe in to win runner up for the Norris. roll eyes roll eyes

Go away troll, your type are not wanted on this board

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Allright when all else fails we resort to Gambling


2:1 odds he's banned by the end of the week

10:1 odds by midnight

GO BOYS GO!

P.S. Where's Leaf Defender?

I'll put a 5 spot on the 10:1

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you can't try to get me banned because we have opposite POV on a player you obiously care passionately about. I seroiusly think you're going out on a limb saying that McCabe deserves any recognition. Take my point of view or leave it. You and your little friends just have accept the fact that other hockey fans who watch other teams other than the Leafs see that there are other good players. Come on say Gonchar with me. GGGOONCHAR. He plays for the Bruins. You should see him play.
LOL @ Gonchar for Norris. You DO know the norris is for defensmen and not 4th fowards?

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You know, the awards committee might be too lazy to engrave a new name on the trophy, so they might just give it to Lidstrom again for the billionth time, because they are too lazy to change stuff.

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04-08-2004, 09:52 AM
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Check this out guys! Bryan McCabe and Norris were used in the same sentence. hahahahahaha thanks man. That was a GOOD ONE!!!

let's start a chant. HOOOOOOMER. HOOOOOOMER
The NHL mentioned them together as well.

http://www.nhl.com/intheslot/read/fe...ker031304.html

Maybe you are the one we should be laughing at.

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04-08-2004, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Leaf Defender
The NHL mentioned them together as well.

http://www.nhl.com/intheslot/read/fe...ker031304.html

Maybe you are the one we should be laughing at.
LOL :lol OMG!

this has nothing to do with anything but the URL, how it...shortned like that.

the url is features/norris_tracker

ohhhhhhhh that's gold.

Carry On.

oh and I'd give an honourable mention to Sheldon Souray, he is no were near the Norris but before he got Injured he was in the running, if he had stayed healthy then perhaps he could have done it.

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04-08-2004, 10:28 AM
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As a Flyer fan it pains me to say Scott Niedermayer, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Dark Horse - A.Aucoin

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04-08-2004, 10:44 AM
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From the candidates that are most often being mentioned, it looks like there's a good chance that we'll see 3 first-time nominees for this award. Right now, the three guys that have been mentioned for this award the most are:
Niedermayer - I'm pretty certain he hasn't been nominated. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
Chara - I know he's never been nominated
McCabe - Pretty sure he's never been nominated

Some of the other contenders include guys like Aucoin, Ohlund, Souray, Redden none of whom have ever been nominated.

Pronger is the most likely former winner or nominee to get the nod. I'm not certain, but I think Scheider has been a finalist in the past. There's always a chance that Lidstrom or Blake may be mentioned, just out of habit.

Irregardless, it's nice to see new faces up for this award. It's the hardest club to break into, as it seems voters like to see a couple of consecutive seasons of high-performance before they will give you the votes (which doesn't bode well for McCabe, IMO).

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In fear of being called a homer, I have to go with Scott Niedermayer. I think he should win it easily.

He uses his speed, intelligence and puck handling ability to great effect in his own defensive-zone. As a Devils fan, it is reassuring to see Niedermayer with the puck in his own zone. Also, his offensive numbers speak for themselves. He finished tied for second among defensemen in both points and assists.

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Niedermayer - I'm pretty certain he hasn't been nominated. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
By nominated, I assume you mean as a finalist. Niedermayer has never been a finalist for the Norris Trophy. However, he finished 5th in voting for the 1997-98 season, the year in which he was named as a Second Team All-Star.

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The NHL mentioned them together as well.

http://www.nhl.com/intheslot/read/fe...ker031304.html

Maybe you are the one we should be laughing at.
The fact that Niedermayer isn't even mentioned as a top 5 nominee in that article automatically refutes anything it states. That's rediculious.

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As a Flyer fan it pains me to say Scott Niedermayer, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

Dark Horse - A.Aucoin

In all honesty, I don't even think Aucoin has been the best dman on the Island this year. I think that honor goes to Kenny J. Aucoin gets more minutes and has that gaudy plus/minus but Kenny J. seems to be the go to guy in critical situations.

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If I had a vote my ballot would be:

1. Niedermayer
2. Pronger
3. Chara

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Now let's start talking about REAL Norris candidates: Gonchar, Pronger, Lidstrom, Niedermayer. Do you actually believe that your little "bryan" is in the same league as those players. Seriously? That's why you're a leafs fan. It was expected and i don't mind but you could have picked someone better. McCabe? wtf?
Lay off the crack, pally.

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Niedermayer, NJ

Considering Nieds has never won a Norris before and taking into consideration the injuries on the Devils blueline this year, I think he's a shoe-in. The guy blatantly deserves to win it, it's just a question as to whether the writers agree.

Pronger, STL

Pretty much the only d-man on St.Louis' blueline. They have a few promising youngsters, but Pronger pretty much carried the team on his shoulders with the lack of offense they've been getting. Despite his -1, I could see him getting serious consideration. I personally think he's above Chara simply based on the fact the writers will take into consideration how well he's done after coming back from such a huge injury.

Chara, OTT

Finally learned how to use his size fully. This guys numbers don't even do him justice, I'd say he is the most dominant down-low and net clearing d-man in the NHL and he's integral to Ottawa.

Schneider, DET

Lidstrom had an off year (by his standards) and Hatcher was out for the vast majority. Watching Schneider play this year I couldn't help but be extremely impressed with how he stepped up for the Red Wings.

Other possible vote getters: Aucoin, Blake, McCabe, Redden, Ohlund

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-Niedermayer

-McCabe

-Chara

-Pronger

-Blake

-Aucoin

-Ohlund

-Schneider

-Lidstrom

-Gonchar

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The fact that Niedermayer isn't even mentioned as a top 5 nominee in that article automatically refutes anything it states. That's rediculious.
Acctually it does mention him.

Scott Niedermayer, New Jersey (68 GP, 10 G, 32 A, 42 Pts, plus-14, 36 PIM, 25:36 TOI)

the Article is a month old too so it's naturally going to be a little off. Scott is a Finalist AT THE VERY LEAST.

my 3 I think will be

Pronger- Winner
Niedermeyer
McCabe

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Niedermayer also broke the record for career OT goals by a d-man.

In light Stevens' absence, Rafalski's injury-marred second half, and the fact that his blueline was composed of 2 rookies and 3 AHLers for some crucial games down the stretch, I think Niedermayer will win it walking away. If he had gone down instead of Stevens, there was no way we could have set the GA record. He WAS that blueline. The way he elevated Paul Martin's play also speaks volumes about his talent.

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Sheesh, if McCabe just getting nominated is such a problem for some people, imagine if it goes to Leetch ( which it won't, but that's what imagination is for ).

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