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05-29-2013, 08:12 AM
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I'm big Bondra fan but in my opinion Bondra won't get in HHOF.

He was pretty good goalscorer, very fast but not a superstar to be worth for HHOF.

But I hope Caps at least will retire his number.

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06-11-2013, 01:58 PM
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Absolutely not.

No all star selections. Never top 10 in points scoring. 2 goal scoring titles and a few other top 10 finishes are not impressive in the grand scheme. Even in his best seasons, he was 4th among RW's, which puts him in the vicinity of just on or outside the top 10 players in his best years.

The hall of fame is for guys who were the best. Not very good.
He was selected 5 times

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06-11-2013, 02:01 PM
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1998 cup run

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06-11-2013, 02:14 PM
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12 points in 17 games not that great

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He was selected 5 times
To what? Not the post season all star teams.

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06-11-2013, 02:21 PM
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Dino Ciccarelli's in the Hall. Does he get credit for hanging around for 20 years and that's why he's in? Or is it a case that "played for Red Wings" gets you preferential treatment for induction?

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06-11-2013, 04:18 PM
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It's not that Ciccarelli was a Red Wing. It's how he played a "physical game".

That said, it wouldn't have hurt Bondra if he had gotten a bit more "involved". He didn't have to drop the gloves with Link Gaetz, but he was too much of a perimeter player. Guys like Bure and Selšnne could throw hits and hustled a lot. Also, Bondra couldn't playmake to save his life. He was pretty much a designated sniper a la Cheechoo.

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06-11-2013, 04:21 PM
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It's not that Ciccarelli was a Red Wing. It's how he played a "physical game".

That said, it wouldn't have hurt Bondra if he had gotten a bit more "involved". He didn't have to drop the gloves with Link Gaetz, but he was too much of a perimeter player. Also, he couldn't playmake to save his life. He was pretty much a designated sniper a la Cheechoo.
In that case.....Dino Ciccarelli >>>>> Mike Bossy?

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06-11-2013, 06:16 PM
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I'd put him in before Kariya

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06-11-2013, 06:20 PM
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I'd put him in before Kariya
Based on what?

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06-11-2013, 09:26 PM
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Hit 500 career goals while playing pretty much through the whole dead puck era. Two times goal scorer race winner. Amazing in international play. Proven playoff performer. Is he getting in?

Not that I put too much faith in HHOF, they are VERY weird with their selections.
He did not player his best years during the dead puck era. Please get your facts straight. Thanx.

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He did not player his best years during the dead puck era. Please get your facts straight. Thanx.
He had 52 goals in 1997-98. That's the DPE.

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His Cup run in 1998 was a lot like Kariya's in 2003. They weren't the most important piece of the puzzle, they didn't play as good as you'd expect and you kept waiting for them to break out and carry the team further. Oates was the best player during that run (other than Kolzig's role) and Bondra was just sort of a complementary player on that team's run. Joe Juneau, Andrei Nikolishin and Oates all outpointed him. This wasn't the 1998 Red Wings it was the 1998 Capitals. It doesn't look very acceptable when you are not one of the top 3 producers on that team.

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^ I remember Gonchar being the best, or at least most prolific, skater on that 98 playoff team. He led the team in goals and had his coming out party. He also wore that sexy face shield.

Bondra, what can you say? He led the team in goals and points in the regular season and was then outscored in the playoffs by dinosaurs Joe Juneau and Brian Bellows, and Nikolishin.... He was totally a face in the crowd on that playoff run

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Personally, i think it would be an embarassement if your top end group (with the notable exception of Recchi) would make it and Fleury wouldn't.
This is so much better now that it is 2012 instead of 2009.

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In that case.....Dino Ciccarelli >>>>> Mike Bossy?
I have told you at least MILLION times. Don't exaggerate!

I think it is quite a long shot to compare Bondra and Bossy.

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I have told you at least MILLION times. Don't exaggerate!

I think it is quite a long shot to compare Bondra and Bossy.
That was based on the description given ie "too much of a perimeter player"

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That was based on the description given ie "too much of a perimeter player"
bossy wasn't a perimeter player in the least.

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06-12-2013, 01:24 PM
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bossy wasn't a perimeter player in the least.
No, those snipes from the perimeter I used to watch score came from somebody who stole Bossy's jersey

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^ I remember Gonchar being the best, or at least most prolific, skater on that 98 playoff team. He led the team in goals and had his coming out party. He also wore that sexy face shield.

Bondra, what can you say? He led the team in goals and points in the regular season and was then outscored in the playoffs by dinosaurs Joe Juneau and Brian Bellows, and Nikolishin.... He was totally a face in the crowd on that playoff run
I thought Olaf Kolzig carried the Capitals on his back during the 1998 playoff run. But anyway, on the subject of skaters, I do agree with you that Bondra was pretty far down in importance.

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No, those snipes from the perimeter I used to watch score came from somebody who stole Bossy's jersey
And what about the snipes from the slot? It's well known that Bossy's back problems were a result of him going to the "dirty areas" to score goals, back when defenders had pretty much carte blanche to rough up forwards who dared enter the slot, particularly in crosschecking them in the back.

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And what about the snipes from the slot? It's well known that Bossy's back problems were a result of him going to the "dirty areas" to score goals, back when defenders had pretty much carte blanche to rough up forwards who dared enter the slot, particularly in crosschecking them in the back.
That may have been how he hurt his back but that wasn't how he made his name. Look, I'm not downing Bossy here. If I put together a short list of the greatest pure goal scorers ever he'd be on it. I loved watching Bossy play and my only regret is I didn't start watching hockey until after a good many of his prime years were already past.

I'm not saying Bondra was on Bossy's level either. The implication from the previous post was that Bondra was "just a sniper" and that's why Dino is in and Bondra isn't. I simply took that claim to it's logical conclusion.

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I thought Olaf Kolzig carried the Capitals on his back during the 1998 playoff run. But anyway, on the subject of skaters, I do agree with you that Bondra was pretty far down in importance.
Kolzig did. That Cup run was all about Olie and everyone else was incidental. I know, I was living in the DC metro area at the time and was following the Caps religiously.

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The implication from the previous post was that Bondra was "just a sniper" and that's why Dino is in and Bondra isn't.
Yeah, but Ciccarelli is a weak HOFer. Many here on the boards, me included, thinks he probably shouldn't be in. He's not this dreamy all time great player. As for Bondra vs Ciccarelli though, Ciccarelli has an edge in the playoffs.

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Yeah, but Ciccarelli is a weak HOFer. Many here on the boards, me included, thinks he probably shouldn't be in. He's not this dreamy all time great player. As for Bondra vs Ciccarelli though, Ciccarelli has an edge in the playoffs.
I agree that Ciccarelli shouldn't be in and I find it baffling that he is. Hence my original post.

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