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10-12-2009, 09:46 PM
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Moran, Reid duo; Shirokov, Grabner duo?

Recall the Brad Moran w/ Brandon Reid duo that got called up in the 06-07' season

they played with Naslund. production wasnt there, but if i recall correctly the duo werent that bad at all.

Not comparing the two.

Building the chemistry of Grabner and Shirokov in the AHL, and increasing their confidence is probably the best way in getting the two players ready for the NHL. its harder to come straight into the big leagues and have a certain expectation that you're gonna chip in game in game out.

its much easier when you're there with somebody that you had success with.

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Ahhh, I see.

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That went way over my head.

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That went way over my head.
Basically he's saying eventually we should expect to see Shiro and Grabner being called up together. The reason why Desbiens was called up instead of either of them is so that they can build some chemistry off of one another at a lower league. Then, when they do come up together, they can build on that chemistry at the NHL level. We saw what effect calling up two scrubs in Moran and Reid did for a few games, he's expecting better things out of Shiro/Grabner.

Of course, I don't think this is the case as Grabner isn't NHL ready at all. But this is what the OP intended to say, I believe.

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A lot of you are going to feel stupid when Shirokov become a fixture on our second line by the end of the season.

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If by time to build chemistry you mean Thursday, then yes, but only one of the two, so really, no I doubt the Canucks will call up both of them.

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10-12-2009, 11:31 PM
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i think you have misunderstand the goal for the vancouver canucks, they want to win the stanley cup, not to miss the playoff.

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If by time to build chemistry you mean Thursday, then yes, but only one of the two, so really, no I doubt the Canucks will call up both of them.
im hoping more like at least 1 and a half months

chemistry is one of the factors why their AHL success just doesnt translate to this level

if you're actually using your young guns this season, why not get both players going with one call-up

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i think you have misunderstand the goal for the vancouver canucks, they want to win the stanley cup, not to miss the playoff.
Glass / Desbiens = Playoffs
Grabner / Shirokov = No Playoffs

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Glass / Desbiens = Playoffs
Grabner / Shirokov = No Playoffs
Yea exactly

Makes so much sense

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Top class, Joe the Hooker.

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Glass / Desbiens = Playoffs
Grabner / Shirokov = No Playoffs
I think its better to keep Shirokov in the AHL for more than a few games so he can get used to NA style pace. I think it would help him better for his career.

I agree with Grabner though, he should be replacing Daniel Sedin.

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I think its better to keep Shirokov in the AHL for more than a few games so he can get used to NA style pace. I think it would help him better for his career.

I agree with Grabner though, he should be replacing Daniel Sedin.
I totally disagree. Did you watch Grabner in the preseason?

It's pretty much a consensus around here that Grabner did nothing in the preseason and looked completely lost. I think even the biggest of Grabner fans heading into the preseason would admit that.

Shirokov on the other hand looked quite impressive in his preseason debut and led the team in scoring. He clearly slowed down once the season began, but he showed a hell of a lot more promise than Grabner.

To me it's a no brainer which guy you call up to fill in for an injured skill player.

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10-13-2009, 03:53 AM
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I think its better to keep Shirokov in the AHL for more than a few games so he can get used to NA style pace. I think it would help him better for his career.

I agree with Grabner though, he should be replacing Daniel Sedin.
If by "replacing" you mean we should break his foot, I completely agree.

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If by "replacing" you mean we should break his foot, I completely agree.
I lol'd

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I totally disagree. Did you watch Grabner in the preseason?

It's pretty much a consensus around here that Grabner did nothing in the preseason and looked completely lost. I think even the biggest of Grabner fans heading into the preseason would admit that.

Shirokov on the other hand looked quite impressive in his preseason debut and led the team in scoring. He clearly slowed down once the season began, but he showed a hell of a lot more promise than Grabner.

To me it's a no brainer which guy you call up to fill in for an injured skill player.
Honestly, preseason means absolutely nothing in the long run (take the leafs for example...). Grabner has been phenominal in the AHL so far this year and looked very good last year in both the regular season and the playoffs. Why on earth would you write off a player (especially a first round pick) in the preseason? The guy has been great in the AHL for you guys and has increasingly better statistics each year, not to mention his overall play is improving.

Saying that "the overall concensus around here that Grabner did nothing in the preseason" is just irrelevent. The preseason is a time for players to get there game going and to start thinking hockey again. Some people are just slower off the get go than others.

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Take the Leafs? We were near undefeated in preseason, and then lost the first 3 regular season games in spectacular fashion.

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A lot of you are going to feel stupid when Shirokov become a fixture on our second line by the end of the season.
3:37 of this clip agrees with you:

http://www.moosehockey.com/moosetv.php?video=539

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Glass / Desbiens = Playoffs
Grabner / Shirokov = No Playoffs
Glass/Desbiens just makes me think of watching the Canucks get frustrated when they can't score.

This team needs more Isbister.

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(I have nothing else tangible to contribute to this discussion. When it comes to Brad Moran, I just can't resist this picture)

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3:37 of this clip agrees with you:

http://www.moosehockey.com/moosetv.php?video=539
Shirokov also makes a boneheaded defensive miscue that leads to a breakaway in overtime for the Heat, and Schneider lets in some questionable goals to let a 4-1 lead slip away after some early heroics.

That clip was kind of depressing, really. Sick goal at 3:37 though.

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