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10-15-2009, 02:11 AM
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3-2-0 - 6 PTS 2-2-0 - 4 PTS
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10th 11th
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0-1-0 1-2-0
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Vernon Fiddler Sami Lepisto   Brad Boyes Alex Pietrangelo
Martin Hanzal Zbynek Michalek   B.J. Crombeen Roman Polak
Lauri Korpikoski Jim Vandermeer   Cam Janssen Tyson Strachan
Robert Lang Keith Yandle   Paul Kariya Darryl Sydor
Peter Mueller   Jay McClement Mike Weaver
Petr Prucha   Andy McDonald
Taylor Pyatt   T.J. Oshie
Scottie Upshall Goalies   David Perron
Radim Vrbata Ilya Bryzgalov   Alexander Steen Goalies
Daniel Winnik Jason LaBarbera   Keith Tkachuk Ty Conklin
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Matthew Lombardi Questionable Barret Jackman Injured Reserve
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10-15-2009, 02:39 AM
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STL coming with a 2 game losing streak. Hope we make it 3 and get our first win at home.

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10-15-2009, 10:25 AM
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Anyone have the minutes of our scoreless streak? It should be somewhere around 140-145 minutes now. One goal in the last 9 periods and overtime session.

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10-15-2009, 10:30 AM
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JC, How do you know that Lombardi is "questionable"?

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10-15-2009, 11:15 AM
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I hope BizNasty gets into a good fight with Janssen and lights him up...I absolutely hate that creep.

Prediction:

- The Coyotes will score, but I don't see a big offensive output.

Keys to the game:
- Hopefully Bryz can continue to play like an all-star....is it just me or has he resembled the way Burkie played during his Coyote heyday.

- Stop Coyote Killer Kariya

Odds:

- Over/Under on how many times Mueller spins away from a hit and loses the puck = 3

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10-15-2009, 12:10 PM
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Prediction:

- The Coyotes will score, but I don't see a big offensive output.
Sorry, but what a stretch to make this prediction.

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10-15-2009, 12:33 PM
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Sorry, but what a stretch to make this prediction.
Does anyone know what the coyotes team record for scorelessness is? Perhaps this is something we can cheer for in lieu of goals.

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10-15-2009, 12:34 PM
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Sorry, but what a stretch to make this prediction.
Come on. He did say the Coyotes will score

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10-15-2009, 12:52 PM
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Dude. We get it.

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10-15-2009, 01:20 PM
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I am going with a 5-2 Coyotes win. I think Doan, Muels, Winnik, Jovo and Vrbata will score tonight.

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10-15-2009, 01:26 PM
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Does anyone know what the coyotes team record for scorelessness is? Perhaps this is something we can cheer for in lieu of goals.
Is this all you are ever going to post? I'm not asking you to stop. I'm just trying to figure out if I should take advantage of the ignore feature.

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10-15-2009, 01:33 PM
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So with Boedker reassigned, when Lombardi comes back we should be looking at...

Doan-Lang-Pyatt
Upshall-Lombardi-Mueller
Prucha-Hanzal-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Fiddler-Winnik


or

Doan-Lang-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Pyatt
Prucha-Hanzal-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Fiddler-Winnik


or

Doan-Lang-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Korpikoski
Prucha-Hanzal-Vrbata
Pyatt-Fiddler-Winnik


or

Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Korpikoski
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Pyatt-Fiddler-Winnik


or

Doan-Hanzal-Pyatt
Upshall-Lombardi-Mueller
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Fiddler-Winnik




I think I like the fourth set. The second to last one.

Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Pyatt
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Fiddler-Winnik


wouldn't be too bad, either.

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10-15-2009, 01:52 PM
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I prefer the second one.

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10-15-2009, 02:53 PM
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Apparently Pyatt has been skating with Lang and Doan. The lines tonight will probably look like...

Doan-Lang-Pyatt
Upshall-Lombardi-Mueller
Vrbata-Hanzal-Prucha
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Lombardi is still out, though, right?

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10-15-2009, 03:38 PM
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2-1 Coyotes. Hanzel and Korpedo score goals.

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10-15-2009, 03:49 PM
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Lombardi is still out, though, right?
I believe he is listed DTD

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Is this all you are ever going to post? I'm not asking you to stop. I'm just trying to figure out if I should take advantage of the ignore feature.
I think one of the things you'll find is that a team's particular struggles or weak area becomes a recurring topic of discussion (i.e. Gretzky was a poor coach in many people's estimation and thus it was an oft-discussed topic around here). Right now, the Coyotes can't score, and that doesn't mean they are struggling to score, they don't score very much, or are not an offensive-minded team. It means they cannot score even one goal in a game. In case you're new to watching the NHL, a team cannot win very much without scoring at least one goal (last game being the rare exception). Over the course of a full season's worth of games, how many end up 0-0 going into the shootout?

My problem is that Tippet is being hailed as a savior because we're miraculously playing .500 hockey without the ability to score goals. And that's all well and great, and I applaud Tippet for bringing this team to .500 without scoring goals, but this is not entertaining hockey, it does not draw fans, and it's not going to keep the coyotes in phoenix. My wish this past offseason was not for the coyotes to suddenly turn into the (former, Lemaire-coached) Minnesota Wild. I don't believe this is an upgrade over Gretzky, even if we do manage to keep a .500 record for the whole season. What we're seeing evolve here over the first 5 games (and with recent roster moves and treatment of players, i.e. Boedker), is that this is going to be one boring hockey season where we miss the playoffs (but by less points than last year), score less, and play more boring hockey. I know people get excited by wins around here (becuase they are a rarity for us), but I don't think anyone wants to watch Lemaire-like, Minnesota Wild hockey. This will not help us develop our offensive-minded players in the long run and is not a sustainable strategy for success (hence, why Lemaire was fired). This is why Tippet was fired from Dallas, it wasn't because he had one off year during an injury-plagued season - it was because of his philosophy and treatment of young players (go talk to the Dallas people if you don't believe me). Players like Mueller, Turris, Tikhonov and Boedker will never excel under this philosophy. Tippet is out to get as many points as possible, he's not willing to go through growing pains to develop younger players and ensure the long-term success of the team. Hence why he plays players like Boedker and Brunnstrom 6 minutes a game and puts Vernon Fiddler on the 2nd line.

And in case you think 5 games isn't important and not large enough to constitute a meaningful sample, think again. Five games nowadays is the difference between making the playoffs or not, of finishing 8th or finishing 2nd.

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Doan-Lang-Pyatt
Upshall-Lombardi-Mueller
Vrbata-Hanzal-Prucha
Korpikoski-Fiddler-Winnik
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Lombardi is still out, though, right?
If those are the lines, I guess he is back. If he is not, I imagine we will see Fiddler take Lombardi's place, Winnik take Fiddler's and Bissonnette take Winnik's.

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or

Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Korpikoski
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Pyatt-Fiddler-Winnik



I think I like the fourth set. The second to last one.

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I prefer the second one.
Great idea. Lets promote Mueller to the 1st line after we just demoted Boedker

Wow, do we ever play favorites around here. I think this must be the Gretzky effect.

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I think one of the things you'll find is that a team's particular struggles or weak area becomes a recurring topic of discussion...





You apparently have not read any of my posts on the matter. I do not need an explanation of your position or the situation, just an answer to the question. Thanks.

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And in case you think 5 games isn't important and not large enough to constitute a meaningful sample, think again. Five games nowadays is the difference between making the playoffs or not, of finishing 8th or finishing 2nd.
You are right, five games is a meaningful amount. However, you need to look at which five games they are. In terms of both opponent, and in terms of time frame. These are not just any five games. These are the first five games. Surely you understand what that means. Also, we scored plenty in the first three games of the season. Ten goals in three games is pretty good. The last two, we've failed to score. That is a problem, sure, but you have to look closer. The first of those two games was against Ken Hitchock. Does that need further elaboration? The last game, a victory mind you, was against the powerhouse Sharks, who have the best offense in the entire NHL. You want scoring? You want us to open up, and take risks for offensive production? Well, than you better be happier with a seven to four ass kicking than a zero to zero game and two points for us.

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You apparently have not read any of my posts on the matter. I do not need an explanation of your position or the situation, just an answer to the question. Thanks.
You still haven't answered my original question:
What is the yotes record for consecutive scoreless minutes?

This is a relevant question right now. I don't think it's out of context. So why do you criticize my question? Is it because you don't like the answer or because you don't know the answer? Either way, my question stands, and i'm looking for a knowledgable fan/poster to answer it for me.

But thanks for your great contribution to the discussion

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Great idea. Lets promote Mueller to the 1st line after we just demoted Boedker

Wow, do we ever play favorites around here. I think this must be the Gretzky effect.
Just try and find a harsher critic of Mueller than me. Well, find one that's not on the ignore list of two thirds of the regular posters on this board. There is only one way this kid is ever going to figure it out. He needs to play with talented linemates or he's doomed. Simple as that.

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You are right, five games is a meaningful amount. However, you need to look at which five games they are. In terms of both opponent, and in terms of time frame. These are not just any five games. These are the first five games. Surely you understand what that means. Also, we scored plenty in the first three games of the season. Ten goals in three games is pretty good. The last two, we've failed to score. That is a problem, sure, but you have to look closer. The first of those two games was against Ken Hitchock. Does that need further elaboration? The last game, a victory mind you, was against the powerhouse Sharks, who have the best offense in the entire NHL. You want scoring? You want us to open up, and take risks for offensive production? Well, than you better be happier with a seven to four ass kicking than a zero to zero game and two points for us.
For Tippet, the 0-0 game is better. For Bryz's stats, the 0-0 game is preferable as well.

However, for the development of our younger, offensive minded players (Yandle, Boedker, Mueller, Turris, Tikhonov, Upshall, Lepisto and all of the blue-chips we have down in the AHL), i think the 7-4 drubbing is better.

Next, for the fans of this team, the 7-4 loss is more entertaining (I'm talking the casual fan here, who make up the majority of the attendance - they want to get off their ass and scream when we score a goal). Hence, we will attract more fans, and give ourselves a better chance of staying in phoenix.

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