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11-03-2009, 09:00 AM
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The Flyers could put together the all injury line of Gagne/Forsberg/Briere.

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11-03-2009, 09:03 AM
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meh If Forsberg wants to sign a cap friendly deal that we can afford, why would you say no? he would be our 3rd line C.

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11-03-2009, 09:10 AM
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meh If Forsberg wants to sign a cap friendly deal that we can afford, why would you say no? he would be our 3rd line C.

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JVR-Carter-Briere
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i'd be down with that. one of asham/powe/lally are going to lose their roster spot if foppa comes to philly. who do we drop?

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11-03-2009, 09:18 AM
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The Flyers could put together the all injury line of Gagne/Forsberg/Briere.
And it would be deadly, whenever they did play, haha.

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i'd be down with that. one of asham/powe/lally are going to lose their roster spot if foppa comes to philly. who do we drop?
Probably Powe since he has a 2 way deal. or Just waive Cote and keep whichever as a 13th forward

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I would not mind Forsberg.

Hartnell Richards Briere
Gagne Forsberg Carter
JVR Giroux Pyro/Asham/Powe/Laliberte
Carcillo Betts Lappy
Why on Earth would we move Carter to wing? I mean that line looks awesome, but theres no way you move our best offensive player out of position. If Forsberg come back he's gonna be a winger or third line center.

If he comes over soon:

Hartnell Richards Briere
Forsberg Carter JVR
Pyorala Giroux Asham/Powe/Laliberte
Carcillo Betts Laperriere

If he comes over in a couple months:

JVR Carter Briere
Hartnell Richards Giroux
Gagne Forsberg Asham (doing his best Knuble impression)

Nastyness.

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11-03-2009, 10:10 AM
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Forsberg better be 1a or 1b center in playoffs (If Flyers sign him and he is healthy).

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11-03-2009, 10:16 AM
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JVR Carter Briere
Hartnell Richards Giroux
Gagne Forsberg Maroon(doing his best Knuble impression)
Powe - Betts - Lappy
Misc: Asham, Pyorala, Carcillo, Laliberte

Nastyness.
Seriously, I'm not even kidding. Just wait until Maroon gets going.

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11-03-2009, 10:21 AM
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Seriously, I'm not even kidding. Just wait until Maroon gets going.
Wow I completely forgot about him. He is basically Knuble with better hands. Those lines a scary. Size? Check. Speed? Check. Skill? Double Check. Grit? Check. Defense? Check. Lets get this done.

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11-03-2009, 10:31 AM
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Forsberg better be 1a or 1b center in playoffs (If Flyers sign him and he is healthy).
There's almost no chance we sign him, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

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Wow I completely forgot about him. He is basically Knuble with better hands. Those lines a scary. Size? Check. Speed? Check. Skill? Double Check. Grit? Check. Defense? Check. Lets get this done.
...he's in the AHL and yet to prove he can play in the NHL. So, I'm not sure "Knuble with better hands" is really fair at all (to either player). Lets just hope Maroon starts to score in the AHL to prove he deserves a call up, and that when he shows up he can keep up with the pace of the NHL game.

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11-03-2009, 10:34 AM
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There's almost no chance we sign him, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.



...he's in the AHL and yet to prove he can play in the NHL. So, I'm not sure "Knuble with better hands" is really fair at all (to either player). Lets just hope Maroon starts to score in the AHL to prove he deserves a call up, and that when he shows up he can keep up with the pace of the NHL game.
Knuble absolutely BLEW until he turned 30.

So Maroon has plenty of time to catch up ...

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11-03-2009, 10:36 AM
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One thing though, Forsberg is still together with Philadelphia girl Michelle.

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...he's in the AHL and yet to prove he can play in the NHL. So, I'm not sure "Knuble with better hands" is really fair at all (to either player). Lets just hope Maroon starts to score in the AHL to prove he deserves a call up, and that when he shows up he can keep up with the pace of the NHL game.
I saw him a couple times this summer. His skating looked much better than it had.

Then he had that injury. He missed a huge chunk of camp, but still got to play in some preseason games. He wasn't skating as well as he had this summer, so it was easy to see he wasn't 100%. Granted, he wasn't the best skater to begin with anyway.

Needless to say, he was invisible in preseason.

I've seen a couple of Phantoms games, and from the looks of it, he's starting to get back to where he was.

Hopefully this continues. I really enjoy watching this kid work magic around the net. I want to see him get another shot.

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11-03-2009, 10:38 AM
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Knuble absolutely BLEW until he turned 30.

So Maroon has plenty of time to catch up ...
Knuble wasn't really given a chance until he turned 30. He was a 3rd/4th liner, and then he got on Thornton's line and proved he could play with a first liner as a role player...the rest is history. Now he's looked at as a guy that can fill that role and doing it.

From everything I've read, I think there's little debate that Maroon's skill level will be good enough to play in the NHL...the question will be whether he can keep up to earn his supper. Especially for young players, it's important that you can play on the 3rd/4th line early on, and I'm not sure Maroon can play in that role given his limited skating ability.

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I saw him a couple times this summer. His skating looked much better than it had.

Then he had that injury. He missed a huge chunk of camp, but still got to play in some preseason games. He wasn't skating as well as he had this summer, so it was easy to see he wasn't 100%. Granted, he wasn't the best skater to begin with anyway.

Needless to say, he was invisible in preseason.

I've seen a couple of Phantoms games, and from the looks of it, he's starting to get back to where he was.

Hopefully this continues. I really enjoy watching this kid work magic around the net. I want to see him get another shot.
Hopefully it works out for him, he's an intriguing player in the system. However, he also has a lot of "AHL Scorer, NHL scrub" red flags.

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One thing though, Forsberg is still together with Philadelphia girl Michelle.
She's not from Philly, she's Canadian raised in Minnesota. I think she's living in Denver now.

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Forsberg really should never play center again with his issues.

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There's almost no chance we sign him, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.



...he's in the AHL and yet to prove he can play in the NHL. So, I'm not sure "Knuble with better hands" is really fair at all (to either player). Lets just hope Maroon starts to score in the AHL to prove he deserves a call up, and that when he shows up he can keep up with the pace of the NHL game.
Very true. I meant that he looks to be similar to Knuble, big body and good around the net, but with better hands. His hands are better than Knuble's, though that doesn't equate to being a better player. I just think at this stage Knuble is the player we are most familiar with that he compares too. He's not real fast, but he's big and strong and plays well around the net.

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Forsberg really should never play center again with his issues.
Yea I'd really like to see him play LW on the third line with Giroux centering. I just threw him in at 3rd line C in my projection cause it made the best looking lines on paper. In practicality however, I think it'd be much better to not force him to play with the defensive responsibilities of a center, and just let him play solid D from the wing, and really create offensively.

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There's almost no chance we sign him, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.
There is always a chance, otherwise why would Flyers send Ilkka Sinisalo to Europe to watch Forsberg?

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Why on Earth would we move Carter to wing?
Because Carter likes to shoot the puck and not a lot of players are better at passing then Forsberg.

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I mean that line looks awesome, but theres no way you move our best offensive player out of position.
Carter is not our best playoff player. Pronger is followed by Briere then Richards and if Forsberg is on board he is our best playoff players.

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If Forsberg come back he's gonna be a winger or third line center.
If he is healthy like he says he is and he wants to play for Philadelphia. Peter would doing Flyers a favor! He is not going to be a winger or 3rd line player.

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There is always a chance, otherwise why would Flyers send Ilkka Sinisalo to Europe to watch Forsberg?
Because Paul Holmgren doesn't understand the salary cap.

When Gagne comes back from LTIR, we're going to be at roughly $236K in cap space. You can buy a bit back by dumping Cote, but he makes peanuts so that isn't really going to help all that much. We have a bunch of guys making good money (that you likely don't want to move), and a bunch of guys getting paid cheaply. So, you would likely either need to move one of the good players making good money, or a few of the role players to fit him in there...

Prior to the Randy Jones stupidity, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that you could make this work...since then, I just don't see how you can do it.

Of course, if Forsberg wants to come play for 500K or something, by all means sign him. However, if he really impresses people over there, I would wager he'll earn something north of that. Nothing massive, but a nice modest contract.

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They were talking about possibly a 1-year 35+ contract with bonuses that don't count against the salary cap on the main board.

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Because Paul Holmgren doesn't understand the salary cap.

When Gagne comes back from LTIR, we're going to be at roughly $236K in cap space. You can buy a bit back by dumping Cote, but he makes peanuts so that isn't really going to help all that much. We have a bunch of guys making good money (that you likely don't want to move), and a bunch of guys getting paid cheaply. So, you would likely either need to move one of the good players making good money, or a few of the role players to fit him in there...

Prior to the Randy Jones stupidity, it wasn't outside the realm of possibility that you could make this work...since then, I just don't see how you can do it.

Of course, if Forsberg wants to come play for 500K or something, by all means sign him. However, if he really impresses people over there, I would wager he'll earn something north of that. Nothing massive, but a nice modest contract.
Yeah, we NEED 23 roster players due to injury issues, and the Randy Jones failure nipped Forsberg in the bud.


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They were talking about possibly a 1-year 35+ contract with bonuses that don't count against the salary cap on the main board.
I haven't bothered to investigate these contracts, but those bonuses end up counting the following year, no?

We shouldn't be adding potential cap space to next season...it's going to be tight as is.

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We don't HAVE to carry 23 people on the roster, we could carry 22, in which case we could have room for Forsberg even if he makes north of $1 mill.
Who you going to drop?

Riley Cote is $455K. OKT/Syvret is $497K/476K. Powe is $431K, and Asham is $530K.

So, by all means, drop some bodies and add 'em to our leftover space when Gagne gets back...it really isn't going to be very much.

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