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04-09-2004, 09:03 PM
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Kharlomov deserves mention. Also Bob Gainey.
There's a Kharlamov or Kharlomov who played in the NHL? I know Washington drafted an Alexander Kharlamov, but it looks like he never played in the NHL (and is now back in Mother Russia). I don't know, if it's hard to find record of this guy he probably doesn't deserve to be in the thread. Did I miss a joke?

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Kharlamov was on of the best hockey player in the world. He played in the USSR in the 60's and 70's. He had 293 goals in 438 gp in the USSR league(CKSA) and 193g in 290gp for team USSR. He also had 3 GWG in the 1972 summit-series. He played a similar style to Samsonov but was alot better.

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There's a Kharlamov or Kharlomov who played in the NHL? I know Washington drafted an Alexander Kharlamov, but it looks like he never played in the NHL (and is now back in Mother Russia). I don't know, if it's hard to find record of this guy he probably doesn't deserve to be in the thread. Did I miss a joke?
Kovalchuk wears the number 17 in honor of Valeri Kharlamov. He loves to talk about him in interviews. I think he's like a god to many Russians (well ones that love hockey at least). His plays were nothing short of breathtaking. He was so amazing...

IMO he really is the best player never to have reached 100 points in one season.

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Kharlamov was on of the best hockey player in the world. He played in the USSR in the 60's and 70's. He had 293 goals in 438 gp in the USSR league(CKSA) and 193g in 290gp for team USSR. He also had 3 GWG in the 1972 summit-series. He played a similar style to Samsonov but was alot better.
So... he didn't play in the NHL then? Can't be on the list, since he never had a chance to get 100 pts in the first place. Let's put him in the best player to never play in the NHL thread.

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So... he didn't play in the NHL then? Can't be on the list, since he never had a chance to get 100 pts in the first place. Let's put him in the best player to never play in the NHL thread.
The guy who made the thread had already said players not in the nhl count too though.
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Either forward defenseman, no goalies . Any player, and they don't have to have played in the nhl.
He stays!

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The guy who made the thread had already said players not in the nhl count too though.
He stays!
Whoa, my bad!! I must have missed that one! Knowing that, those numbers seem to be impressive. Was the Russian league as defensive back then as it is now? It seems like the Makarovs, Larionovs, Krutovs ( ), etc of the 80s came from fairly offensive systems before coming over. I'm just wondering if we're talking about a Russian Rob Brown, Bernie Nicholls or something (please pardon the Rob Brown exaggeration).

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Whoa, my bad!! I must have missed that one! Knowing that, those numbers seem to be impressive. Was the Russian league as defensive back then as it is now? It seems like the Makarovs, Larionovs, Krutovs ( ), etc of the 80s came from fairly offensive systems before coming over. I'm just wondering if we're talking about a Russian Rob Brown, Bernie Nicholls or something (please pardon the Rob Brown exaggeration).
They didn't play as many games as they do now, they needed more time for international tourneys. His stats aren't really the reason he's so amazing though, well he was the leading goal scorer one year and the leading guy in points the next, but how he played really was amazing. Have you ever watched the Thrashers played and seen Kovalchuk try to out manuver two defensemen? Kharlamov did that, very well too.

some info: http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1...ry/sumvpkh.htm

The few video clips I've seen of him are so beautiful and amazing.

http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/retrosp.htm you'll have to click on more a few times after you open it to get to the clips about Kharlamov.

I can't find his stats per year, anyone know a site that has them?

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some info: http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1...ry/sumvpkh.htm

The few video clips I've seen of him are so beautiful and amazing.

http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/retrosp.htm you'll have to click on more a few times after you open it to get to the clips about Kharlamov.

I can't find his stats per year, anyone know a site that has them?
Cool! Thanks for the links. I never knew much about the dude. I found some limited stats here: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...id%5B%5D=19160. I'll take a look around for the earlier ones. How about the infinite PPG in 80-81! Not bad!

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I can't find his stats per year, anyone know a site that has them?
Hey Hey! I hit pay dirt: http://www.1972summitseries.com/kharlamov.html. Enjoy!

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Hey Hey! I hit pay dirt: http://www.1972summitseries.com/kharlamov.html. Enjoy!
Thank you so much! I never really realized his stats were so low. I had always assumed (and we all know what that does) since he had scored the most points one season that he must have scored at least 100 points.

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Thank you so much! I never really realized his stats were so low. I had always assumed (and we all know what that does) since he had scored the most points one season that he must have scored at least 100 points.
Low?! I was surprised and impressed at the numbers considering I assume that traditionally (even moreso today) it's a defensive league. Seriously, you reminded me exactly why the KLM line was feared!

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Low?! I was surprised and impressed at the numbers considering I assume that traditionally (even moreso today) it's a defensive league. Seriously, you reminded me exactly why the KLM line was feared!
Not low by Soviet standards, but by NHL standards. Why can't I word this properly? I guess a better way of putting it would be that he's not someone I would think of when I think about this stuff. I think I'm going to pay more attention to points per game from now on. 1.5 ppg in 70-71. Yeah that's a lot more accurate than just points.

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Nobody said Ray Bourque, yet?
Was definitely my answer. Mind you by the time of posting, many people have probably already said it.

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Just for fun, off the top of my head, Chris Chelios.

The answer to your question is very simple, Ray Bourque.

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I agree on Kharmalov.............But for the younger fans here, who are not familiar.......one of the top 3 D-men of all time IMO was Fetisov.....so he's my 2nd choice behind Kharmalov......but I'm going Kharmalov since this seems to be more non-D based.

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I am curious as of when the "Kovalchuk", "Heatley" and "Gaborik" answers will come. HF's fictionation with youth goes beyond ignorance..
umm it's not really a fascination


it's the people that are 10 years old and don't know anything that happened before they were born

world war 2? what's that?
rocket richard? who's that?
etc.



anyway.........the answer is......probably borque or modano. Also did cam neely?

he's one of the few guys that scored 50 in 50 but he never got 100 points despite playing in an era of extremely high scoring (richard didn't)

and considering i never liked modano.......i'm going with


ray borque
cam neely

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I agree on Kharmalov.............But for the younger fans here, who are not familiar.......one of the top 3 D-men of all time IMO was Fetisov.....so he's my 2nd choice behind Kharmalov......but I'm going Kharmalov since this seems to be more non-D based.
Fetisov absolutely. If you want D-men Lidstrom and Harvey should both be mentioned.

When I mentioned Kharmalov I also mentioned Gainey. The Russians considered HIM the most complete left winger of his time.

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I am curious as of when the "Kovalchuk", "Heatley" and "Gaborik" answers will come. HF's fictionation with youth goes beyond ignorance..
Just before Ovechkin and Crosby.

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Seriously, you reminded me exactly why the KLM line was feared!
Kharlamov wasn't on the KLM line. That line was Krutov-Larionov-Makarov. It was the Soviet Union's top line throughout the eighties. In the 1987 Canada Cup they were the second best line in the tournament after the Gretzky and Mario show.

As for the topic at hand, I think we should limit our choices to the post-expansion era. Before that 100 point seasons were very rare. Thats why I'd go with Mike Modano.

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Kharlamov wasn't on the KLM line. That line was Krutov-Larionov-Makarov. It was the Soviet Union's top line throughout the eighties. In the 1987 Canada Cup they were the second best line in the tournament after the Gretzky and Mario show.

As for the topic at hand, I think we should limit our choices to the post-expansion era. Before that 100 point seasons were very rare. Thats why I'd go with Mike Modano.
Post-expansion eh? Ray Bourque

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Stan Mikita. Twice he clocked in with 97 points.

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Since he hasn't been mentioned, Wendel Clark.

He never in his carrer played a full season but his highest total was 76 points in the 93-94 season.

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Another d-man is Borje Salming.

Highest point total in a season was 78. (76-77)

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Pure Stats

"LW"

Player -- MAX PTS -- TOTAL PTS
--------------------------------
Mahovlich Frank -- 96 -- 1103
Propp Brian -- 97 -- 1003
Muller Kirk -- 94 -- 959
Thomas Steve -- 87 -- 933

Prentice Dean -- 66 -- 860
Lindsay Ted -- 85 -- 851
Tkachuk Keith -- 98 -- 832
Courtnall Geoff -- 80 -- 799
Cashman Wayne -- 89 -- 793
Craven Murray -- 77 -- 759



"C"

Player -- MAX PTS -- TOTAL PTS
----------------------------------
Mikita Stan -- 97 -- 1467
Andreychuk Dave -- 99 -- 1319
Delvecchio Alex -- 83 -- 1281
Ullman Norm -- 85 -- 1229

Beliveau Jean -- 91 -- 1214
Damphousse Vincent -- 97 -- 1205
Modano Mike -- 93 -- 1106
Nieuwendyk Joe -- 95 -- 1062
Richard Henri -- 80 -- 1046
Hunter Dale -- 79 -- 1020



"RW"

Player -- MAX PTS -- TOTAL PTS
-----------------------------------
Verbeek Pat -- 89 -- 1063
Bellows Brian -- 99 -- 1022
Gilbert Rod -- 97 -- 1021
Mcdonald Lanny -- 98 -- 1006

Bathgate Andy -- 88 -- 973
Richard Maurice -- 74 -- 965
Cournoyer Yvan -- 87 -- 863
Sandstrom Tomas -- 89 -- 856
Maclean John -- 87 -- 842
Geoffrion Bernie -- 95 -- 822

"DEF"

Player -- MAX PTS -- TOTAL PTS
----------------------------------
Bourque Ray -- 96 -- 1579
Housley Phil -- 97 -- 1232
Murphy Larry -- 85 -- 1216
Chelios Chris -- 73 -- 1014

Stevens Scott -- 78 -- 1008
Robinson Larry -- 85 -- 958
Park Brad -- 82 -- 896
Suter Gary -- 91 -- 845
Wilson Doug -- 85 -- 827
Salming Borje -- 78 -- 787


"GOALIE"

Player -- MAX PTS -- TOTAL PTS
---------------------------------
Barrasso Tom -- 8 -- 48
Fuhr Grant -- 14 -- 46

Roy Patrick -- 6 -- 45
Vernon Mike -- 7 -- 39
Vanbiesbrouck John -- 5 -- 35

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