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10-21-2009, 09:36 AM
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Face the facts people, we screwed the pooch on the Peverly deal.

I watched some of the Atlanta game last night and really wished we had him back.

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10-21-2009, 10:20 AM
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Face the facts people, we screwed the pooch on the Peverly deal. I watched some of the Atlanta game last night and really wished we had him back.
I don't know. He never seemed to play well when he played for us.

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10-21-2009, 10:37 AM
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So Im assuming Guite passed through? I havent heard anything

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10-21-2009, 10:43 AM
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So Im assuming Guite passed through? I havent heard anything
Yes, Guite is in Milwaukee. Should make his debut Friday when the Ads play at Rockford...

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10-21-2009, 11:36 AM
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I don't know. He never seemed to play well when he played for us.
Exactly. How did we screw up when he NEVER played this well for us? You can blame Trotz or the system all you want, but at some point you just have to say that Peverley needed a change of scenery to breakout. It is a logical fallacy to assume he would be the point per game player he is today if we had kept him around.

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10-22-2009, 09:43 AM
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logic doesnt totally play into this. I know for some wierd reason it works for some players to move to a new scene.

But I just dont find it logical that a player wakes up in a new city and suddenly thinks, "hey this is different ice, I think Ill be a point per game player now." Where is the logic in that?

More than the scenery changes. Coaching changes, linemates change, team schemes change, etc.

The Nashville culture is conducive to squeezing potential out of some scrubs if they work hard enough, it is not conducive to letting raw offensive talent shine.


Im not here trying to make Peverly sound like Forsberg. Im just trying not to lose hope and I dont want to sit here and watch our guys leave here one by one to blossom elsewhere while we are struggling to eek out single points.



ok..I think Im done ranting

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10-22-2009, 09:52 AM
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Im not here trying to make Peverly sound like Forsberg. Im just trying not to lose hope and I dont want to sit here and watch our guys leave here one by one to blossom elsewhere while we are struggling to eek out single points.
Understand your frustration but, help me out here, who else has left and blossomed elsewhere?

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10-22-2009, 11:15 AM
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Understand your frustration but, help me out here, who else has left and blossomed elsewhere?
in fact, we have a long history of guys showing up and scoring that had never done so before...orszagh, krivokrasov, johansson, walker, ward...

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10-22-2009, 11:18 AM
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Understand your frustration but, help me out here, who else has left and blossomed elsewhere?
none of our castoffs have. Upshall almost did, he had a good run with Philly that season he was traded.

I just dont want our young core guys getting the itch to go out and jump on a Bullet train when they get tired of shoveling coal here.



Like I said, it is just frustration setting in for me. Ive been a fan since the early days and it was hard to see us gather top dollar talent, rise to the top, crash and burn in the playoffs, and then settle back into this mucking, grinding, scratching, like the old days. The problem was that we were winning our games on heart and soul then...now ,, well I dont know what this is that we are doing now.


wow, I think I just got nostalgic for Scott Walker hockey

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10-22-2009, 01:51 PM
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Understand your frustration but, help me out here, who else has left and blossomed elsewhere?
Andrew Brunette
Greg DeVries while in Colorado

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10-22-2009, 02:04 PM
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Andrew Brunette
Greg DeVries while in Colorado
Brunette had spent 6 years bouncing up and down between the AHL and NHL, and I think his challenge at the time we had him was that we had a system that emphasized speed, since we had that while not really having much talent. He is and was a slow skater, so I don't think it would have ever worked for him. These days? We could use him.

DeVries is kind of a bad example, given that he played for us for such a short period of time, and was really only a truly "good" defenseman for that stay in Colorado. He's been what he was for us on the second-go-round throughout the rest of his career...including his stops in Ottawa, NYR and Atlanta.

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10-22-2009, 04:23 PM
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Scott Hartnell looks like a better goal scorer with the Flyers. That might have to do more with age though.

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10-22-2009, 07:52 PM
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Understand your frustration but, help me out here, who else has left and blossomed elsewhere?
It doesn't make sense to say that "we only made a mistake with Peverley if you can show me some other mistakes we made."

Face it. Poile blew it with Peverley, and maybe Trotz did as well.

What I find amusing is if you look back through the threads this board would pile on Peverley in a big way. It's as if everybody was assuming Trotz knew exactly what he was doing. Even though last year we weren't scoring goals and Peverley was playing limited minutes. So 90% of us on this board can say we didn't see Peverley's ability either. The pile on stuff here, though, seems looking back, to just be a huge case of group-think.

Trotz is fine with offensive talent if it's already proven. He gives veterans some leeway. Free agents that we pick up have done fine here. But rookies somehow are supposed to prove both their defensive, grinding ability, and their offensive ability all at the same time, while playing without top talent.

Luckily Wilson has impressed him enough and has a big enough pedigree that even Trotz is going to try to give him solid linemates it looks like. For awhile I figured maybe Trotz has learned something about point a game AHL players such as Peverley. As he seemed to be trying to give O'Reilly and Santorelli chances to succeed. Although Santorelli is already gone, and O'Reilly is getting limited minutes tonight against Ottowa. But there's only so much room on the ice.


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10-22-2009, 08:03 PM
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It doesn't make sense to say that "we only made a mistake with Peverley if you can show me some other mistakes we made."

Face it. Poile blew it with Peverley, and maybe Trotz did as well.

What I find amusing is if you look back through the threads this board would pile on Peverley in a big way. It's as if everybody was assuming Trotz knew exactly what he was doing. Even though last year we weren't scoring goals and Peverley was playing limited minutes. So 90% of us on this board can say we didn't see Peverley's ability either. The pile on stuff here, though, seems looking back, to just be a huge case of group-think. Although the claims of Peverley suckage were supposedly by shrewd analysis of his actual play backed by solid hockey knowledge.


Trotz is fine with offensive talent if it's already proven. He gives veterans some leeway. Free agents that we pick up have done fine here. But rookies somehow are supposed to prove both their defensive, grinding ability, and their offensive ability all at the same time, while playing without top talent.

Luckily Wilson has impressed him enough and has a big enough pedigree that even Trotz is going to try to give him solid linemates it looks like. For awhile I figured maybe Trotz has learned something about point a game AHL players such as Peverley. As he seemed to be trying to give O'Reilly and Santorelli chances to succeed. Although Santorelli is already gone, and O'Reilly is getting limited minutes tonight against Ottowa. But there's only so much room on the ice.
Can I get you an application for the "Peverly is the new Mike Richards" Fan Club ?

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10-22-2009, 08:20 PM
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Can I get you an application for the "Peverly is the new Mike Richards" Fan Club ?
Nope. Where did I say anything about the ceiling on Peverley's overall ability? Peverley is showing he's a solid player though. I don't know much about Richards game.

I just am not as determined as some to say that Poile and Trotz don't make mistakes.

And I'm learning to avoid groupthink on a player. I guess Trotz does too, which maybe is why he's playing Franson, who totally sucks and is way too slow and lousy of a skater to ever make it in the NHL.

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10-22-2009, 08:23 PM
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Nope. Peverley is showing he's a solid player though. I don't know much about Richards game.

I just am not as determined as some to say that Poile and Trotz don't make mistakes.

And I'm learning to avoid groupthink on a player. I guess Trotz does too, which maybe is why he's playing Franson, who totally sucks and is way too slow and lousy of a skater to ever make it in the NHL.
So you think Peverley would be a point per game player with us if we had never waived him? He needed a change of scenery, which is quite evident when you look at how he turned his game around in Atlanta.

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10-22-2009, 08:27 PM
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So you think Peverley would be a point per game player with us if we had never waived him?
No. I think he'd have won a roster spot on one of the top three lines and be helping us out. None of our players are point a game players, so of course Peverley wouldn't be. Maybe the change of scenery is getting out from under Trotz. It's something to consider.

I know, we were just too loaded with centers.

Why do you guys think I'm saying Peverley should still be here? I never said that. But it looks as if Poile should have gotten something for him, eh?

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