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10-17-2009, 07:00 AM
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A list without Per Djoos isn't a list worthy of my time.

The book does look interesting though.

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Sorry, that's a bit OT, but I was planning to buy the book 100 Rangers great, but I lost confidence in Amazon.com for overseas shipping. Anyone would know a reliable site where I'm sure that the book will be send carefully and well protected?

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My earliest memories are only from 1974 so I may be a bit biased, but interchangeably: 1) Leetch and 2) Messier. All the pain of "1940" and all the difficulty in even getting a sniff since 94 seal it for me. Without those 2, we would still be living under one of the worst snides in pro sports. 94 wiped the slate clean for me and reset the clock on the entire franchise.

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I agree pretty much with this list.

I would have Ron Greschner on there, without hesitation.

And also Steve Vickers and Walt Tkaczuk.
Actually, I had Greschner on my list (at 20th), but realized I forgot Gadsby. Gresch would be the 21th on my list for sure.

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If Brian Leetch isn't No. 1 I'm going to start protesting heavily.
Indeed, it was pushing it a little to put Leetch 5th. Considering the numbers of years he played with the Rangers, he should be at the very least ahead of Brad Park. I do have some problems ranking him ahead of Frank Boucher.

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have to agree that leetch is #1. hall of famer, cup winner and career (almost) ranger.

also think bathgate needs to be way up there. a 1st team all star right wing, won the hart trophy when howe and richard were playing and the rangers were a terrible team and my dad was watching from the .50 balcony seats in the old garden.

awkward question: where might rick middleton have ranked?
Hummm...
What I said about Leetch above still applies. I can't see how can I rank him ahead of Boucher, Bathgate and Cook.

As for Middleton...
Pretty much up there with Bryan Hextall IMO.

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Can we make a Bottom 100 Rangers list? I think that would be much more fun. Who would be #1? Rumun Ndur? John Tripp? Kryzystof Oliwa?
Johan Witehall!

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Damn, didn't think Messier played that much with the Rangers, prior to heading for the Canucks.... My list really sucks, actually!

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Can we make a Bottom 100 Rangers list? I think that would be much more fun. Who would be #1? Rumun Ndur? John Tripp? Kryzystof Oliwa?
Let's not forget some of our awful prospects who played limited time with the Rangers from the mid-to-late '90s: the Ferraro twins, Vladimir Vorobiev, Daniel Goneau, Christian Dube.. no wonder we sucked for so long.

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Frank Boucher won 2 cups as a player and coached the 3rd cup team. How is he not the greatest ranger of all time?

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10-18-2009, 01:41 AM
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i find it odd how people are talking about he worst ranger of all time

I own the top 100 leafs book and the habs heroes which also looks at a top 100 les canadiens and when I say I really enjoyed both books I mean it and I know if you love your team and it's history you wil llvoe this book.

If you can't voice an opinion on the top rangers of all time then go read this site

http://nyrangerslegends.blogspot.com/


Most games played

* Harry Howell – 1160
* Brian Leetch – 1129
* Rod Gilbert – 1065
* Ron Greschner – 982
* Walt Tkaczuk – 945
* Jean Ratelle – 862
* Vic Hadfield – 839

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...angers_records
* Jim Neilson – 810
* Adam Graves – 772
* Andy Bathgate – 720

Most goals

* Rod Gilbert – 406
* Jean Ratelle – 336
* Adam Graves – 280
* Andy Bathgate – 272
* Vic Hadfield – 262
* Camille Henry – 256
* Mark Messier – 250
* Steve Vickers – 246
* Brian Leetch – 240
* Bill Cook – 229

Most assists

* Brian Leetch – 741
* Rod Gilbert – 615
* Jean Ratelle – 481
* Andy Bathgate – 457
* Walt Tkaczuk – 451
* Mark Messier – 441
* Ron Greschner – 431
* James Patrick – 363
* Steve Vickers – 340
* Vic Hadfield – 310

Most points

* Rod Gilbert – 1021
* Brian Leetch – 981
* Jean Ratelle – 817
* Andy Bathgate – 729
* Mark Messier – 691
* Walt Tkaczuk – 678
* Ron Greschner – 610
* Steve Vickers – 586
* Vic Hadfield – 572
* Adam Graves – 507

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10-18-2009, 02:29 AM
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Reasons why Leetch is No. 1:


1) Calder trophy. NHL record for goals by a Rookie d-man

2) Last NHL d-man (probably ever) to score 100 points in a season

3) Had a higher playoff PPG than his regular season average

4) If not for two work stoppages, would be all-time leading scorer

5) 1st American to win Conn Smythe. NHL record for points in the finals by a d-man

6) Two Norris trophies (should have won in 1994) despite playing in same era with Bourque, Stevens, Chelios, Macinnis and Coffey all in their prime

7) Scored two of three biggest goals in franchise history (Game 7 1994 Cf and Game 7 1994 SCF)

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Leech isn't even close to #1. Cook is the top ranger of all time. Boucher is a close second & Bathgate a close 3rd.

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"In 1926, when the western league dissolved, his rights were sold to the Boston Bruins. He never played for the Bruins as Conn Smythe then paid the Bruins $1500 for Boucher, on the advice of Bill Cook, whom he'd played against out west, but would play with during his time with the Rangers.[5] Boucher became a member of the original New York Rangers team.

Boucher played for the Rangers until he retired in 1937–38. Boucher centered a line with the brothers Bill and Bun Cook, and together they helped the Rangers win the Stanley Cup in 1928 and 1933, also reaching the Finals in 1932.

Frank was not only a brilliant forward, but was also one of the game's classiest. Lady Byng, wife of Viscount Byng, the Governor-General of Canada, donated a trophy to be awarded to the NHL's "most gentlemanly player." While playing for the New York Rangers, Boucher won the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy 7 times in 8 years. He was then given the trophy outright, and Lady Byng donated another trophy to the NHL.

The Rangers hired him to coach the New York Rovers, a minor-league team that also played at Madison Square Garden, as his apprenticeship to coaching the Rangers. When general manager Lester Patrick made the decision to retire from coaching prior to the 1939–40 season, he hired Boucher, who led his Ranger club to the last Stanley Cup. The franchise would be in existence for 68 seasons before they won a Cup without Boucher being directly involved."



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Leech isn't even close to #1.
You can say he's not #1 but to say he's not even close is just silly.

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You can say he's not #1 but to say he's not even close is just silly.
he is close he is 4th according to pappy

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Sorry, that's a bit OT, but I was planning to buy the book 100 Rangers great, but I lost confidence in Amazon.com for overseas shipping. Anyone would know a reliable site where I'm sure that the book will be send carefully and well protected?
I just ordered it today from the local book store here in Canada. Maybe you should consider getting a friend in the states or Canada to order it for you

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Leech isn't even close to #1. Cook is the top ranger of all time. Boucher is a close second & Bathgate a close 3rd.

Well, apparently three generations of Rangers fans who wrote the book think otherwise.

http://www.amazon.com/100-Ranger-Gre.../dp/0470736194

According to one of the reviews, the authors named Leetch is No. 1

Well deserved,IMO

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Well, apparently three generations of Rangers fans who wrote the book think otherwise.

http://www.amazon.com/100-Ranger-Gre.../dp/0470736194

According to one of the reviews, the authors named Leetch is No. 1

Well deserved,IMO
and that may sell quite a few books to all the ranger fans who recall the 94 cup

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Reasons why Leetch is No. 1:


1) Calder trophy. NHL record for goals by a Rookie d-man

2) Last NHL d-man (probably ever) to score 100 points in a season

3) Had a higher playoff PPG than his regular season average

4) If not for two work stoppages, would be all-time leading scorer

5) 1st American to win Conn Smythe. NHL record for points in the finals by a d-man

6) Two Norris trophies (should have won in 1994) despite playing in same era with Bourque, Stevens, Chelios, Macinnis and Coffey all in their prime

7) Scored two of three biggest goals in franchise history (Game 7 1994 Cf and Game 7 1994 SCF)
This is why I think Leetch should get the edge over other Rangers greats. His role in the 1994 Stanley Cup run cannot be denied. Without Leetch, we don't win the Cup and the curse still lives.

If I were alive during the Boucher and Bathgate years, I'm sure I would have a greater appreciation for them. There's no doubt Leetch is considered the greatest Ranger by many because he played recently and current fans have seen him play.

But ending 54 years of futility carries a lot of significance for most Rangers fans. It's not just the stats or the fact that he played the majority of his career with the Rangers. Leetch is synonomous with 1994 and he played a major part in ending those "1940" chants.

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here is pneps list for the NYR Greats

http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=21642297&postcount=4

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and that may sell quite a few books to all the ranger fans who recall the 94 cup
Right on.

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it always seems silly to me to compare players of different eras. Saying Bill Cook is the #1 Ranger of All-time is fine and I'm not going to dispute that because I have never seen him play live, and probably nobody in here has and if they have they don't remember. Unfortunately many people will go with what is fresh in their mind. A guy like Leetch meant a heck of a lot to the Rangers' organization over a long period of time. Perhaps he wasn't as good as Brad Park, and few in here can make that comparison (Chosen being one of them and he has a very good hockey knowledge and I trust that opinion), but what it comes down to once again is a different era. Different styles of play, different types of players, players from different parts of the world. In my opinion, it's almost impossible to compare and the best you can do is look at things, unfortunately just stats, on a relative basis and compare as one may do if they compared Barry Bonds to Babe Ruth, or Gretzky to Crosby, or whatever the comparison may be.

Further, few people have seen all these people play, and most people's views of the way they watch games has changed over the years. We can say how tough so and so was in 1973, but put him in today's ring with bigger and faster people and wonder if he'd be as tough as he was then. It's just very tough to predict, which is what you need to do when you compare, say, Bill Cook to even Adam Graves.

In the end, we're stuck with statistics, relative worth to a team, and their tenure to determine who the top 100 are, but again, it's tough.

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#PlayerPOSHHOF Monitor PTS (NYR only)
1Bill Cook RW2141.50
2Frank "Raffles" Boucher C2117.50
3Andy "Handy Andy" Bathgate RW1392.50
4Brian "Leetchie" Leetch D1297.05
5Ed "Fast Eddie" Giacomin G1295.50
6Bryan Sr. "Hex" Hextall RW1170.50
7Douglas "Brad" Park D1101.45
8Mark "Mess" Messier C1021.00
9Dave "Davey" Kerr G927.00
10Ching "The Holding Corporation" Johnson D887.95
11Rod "Mr. Broadway" Gilbert RW872.50
12Bill "Gads" Gadsby D855.05
13Ceece "Two Gun" Dillon RW839.00
14Lynn Patrick LW816.00
15Frederick "Bun" Cook LW762.50
16Chuck "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner G736.00
17Jean "Ratty" Ratelle C696.50
18Neil Colville C660.60
19Harry "Harry The Horse" Howell D626.75
20Jaromir "Jags" Jagr RW615.50
21Camille "The Eel" Henry LW600.00
22Erhardt "Ott" Heller D576.20
23Phil Watson C571.00
24Herbert "Buddy" O'Connor C561.50
25Vic Hadfield LW547.00
26Art Coulter D465.70
27Murray "Mudhooks" Murdoch C458.00
28Steve "Sarge" Vickers LW448.50
29Walt Tkaczuk C440.45
30Adam "Gravy" Graves LW423.00
31Doug "Dallying Doug" Harvey D384.40
32Mike "Iron Mike" Richter G384.00
33Butch "The Oil Man Of Owen Sound" Keeling LW381.00
33John "Beezer" Vanbiesbrouck G381.00
35Alex "Shab" Shibicky LW380.50
36Edgar "Beaver" Laprade C379.50
37Andy "Spuds" Hebenton RW374.00
38Wayne "The Great One" Gretzky C370.00
39Ron "Honker" Greschner D368.50
40Dean "The Dynamo" Prentice LW347.50
41Bob "Stretch" Nevin RW342.50
42Clint "Snuffy" Smith C322.50
43Jim "The Chief" Neilson D300.50
44Phil "Espo" Esposito C297.50
45Don "Bones" Raleigh C296.50
46Don "Big Frame" Maloney LW291.50
47Alexei "AK-27" Kovalev RW290.50
48Earl "SI" Seibert D290.25
49Gilles "Smiley" Villemure G288.00
49Lorne "Gump" Worsley G288.00
51Tony "The Bulldog" Leswick LW265.50
52Bill "Billy The Kid" Fairbairn RW262.50
53Mathew "Mac" Colville RW259.50
54Phil "The Professor" Goyette C251.50
55Babe "The Honest Brakeman" Pratt D250.75
56Dave Maloney D242.60
57Anders "The Swedish Express" Hedberg RW238.50
58Rod "Sod" Seiling D233.35
59John "The Port Perry Woodpecker" Roach G230.00
60Barry "Bubba" Beck D225.05
61Ron "Doogs" Duguay C216.50
62James "Jeep" Patrick D215.45
63Pete "Polish Prince" Stemkowski C214.00
64Petr "Neddie" Nedved C212.00
64Red "Sully" Sullivan C212.00
66Jeff Beukeboom D211.40
67Don Marshall LW203.00
68Grant "Knobby" Warwick RW200.00
69Paul Thompson LW197.50
70Carol "Vad" Vadnais D195.85
71Kelvin "Kelly" KisioC192.00
72Mike "Garts" Gartner RW186.00
73Allan "Snowshoes" Stanley D184.65
74Tomas "Tommie Gun" Sandstrom RW184.00
75Danny "Dashin' Danny" Lewicki LW183.00
76Sergei "Chimo" Nemchinov C178.50
77Leo Bourgeault D171.75
78Wally "Hergy" Hergesheimer RW167.00
79Earl Ingarfield C162.00
80Don "Murder" Murdoch RW161.00
81Lorne "Chabotsky" Chabot G160.00
82Dave Balon LW159.00
83Pat "Hitch" Hickey LW156.50
83Nick "Tricky Nick" Mickoski LW156.50
85James "Kilby" Macdonald LW154.00
86Ted "The Babyfaced Assassin" Irvine LW153.00
87Art Somers C152.00
88John "J.D." Davidson G151.50
89Andy "The Glasgow Gobbler" Aitkenhead G150.00
90Pentti "Penny" Lund RW149.50
91Dutch "Wib" Hiller LW149.00
92Alexander "Pottsy" Karpovtsev D147.50
93Clarence "Taffy" Abel D146.25
94Mark "Mark The Shark" Pavelich C146.00
95Arnie "Brownie" Brown D145.60
96Eddie "Popsie" Johnstone RW143.00
96Alf "The Embalmer" Pike C143.00
98Tom "Cowboy" Laidlaw D142.70
99Murray "Muzz" Patrick D139.20
100Doug Brennan D138.80
Thats pneps top 100 rangers list

I have the 100 ranger greats book ordered - Patiently waiting for it to arrive here on Cape Breton Island

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I just ordered it today from the local book store here in Canada. Maybe you should consider getting a friend in the states or Canada to order it for you
Thanks for the answer, I think I'm going to go that route.

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You can say he's not #1 but to say he's not even close is just silly.

Can one say he's pretty close?

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