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01-10-2009, 11:27 PM
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Hi! Muckler! Remember this guy?

One of the reasons Muckler ran set this franchise up for failure..

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473682

You could talk to anyone in Binghamton or anyone whom watched 1 Binghamton Sens game and they would be APPAULED that we did not re-sign Andrew Ebbett.. He may be slightly small, but he was the best two way forward as well as the best player to have played in Binghamton during his stay..

Muckler truly missed the boat on this kid..

Muckler totally forgot that this kid even played for Binghamton. I am not joking when he gave this reason for not re-signing him..

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01-10-2009, 11:33 PM
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A 26 year old with 13 career NHL games.

Whats the difference between him and dime a dozen AHLers like Ryan Shannon? (Who had 13pts in 27 games for the Canucks last season)

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01-10-2009, 11:33 PM
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One of the reasons Muckler ran set this franchise up for failure..

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473682

You could talk to anyone in Binghamton or anyone whom watched 1 Binghamton Sens game and they would be APPAULED that we did not re-sign Andrew Ebbett.. He may be slightly small, but he was the best two way forward as well as the best player to have played in Binghamton during his stay..

Muckler truly missed the boat on this kid..

Muckler totally forgot that this kid even played for Binghamton. I am not joking when he gave this reason for not re-signing him..
Ya Ebbett for his size, was good..deal w/ it, what's the point??

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01-10-2009, 11:35 PM
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I never watched him, but he was an amazing checking forward in NHL EHM 07. I always kept the dude around.

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A 26 year old with 13 career NHL games.

Whats the difference between him and dime a dozen AHLers like Ryan Shannon? (Who had 13pts in 27 games for the Canucks last season)
The difference?

Well Ebbett has a two way game to speak of..

as well as 6 points in 10 games on another offensively challenged team..

6 points in 10 games is better than 13 in 27..

Stats ftw.. Obviously then Ebbett is better than Vermette..

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A 26 year old with 13 career NHL games.

Whats the difference between him and dime a dozen AHLers like Ryan Shannon? (Who had 13pts in 27 games for the Canucks last season)
A good AHL team is important.

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01-10-2009, 11:36 PM
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Ya Ebbett for his size, was good..deal w/ it, what's the point??
Ya he was a good deal, and the point is, is that Muckler missed out on signing this good deal.

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A good AHL team is important.
Fuhr only recognizes half the organization.

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The difference?

Well Ebbett has a two way game to speak of..

as well as 6 points in 10 games on another offensively challenged team..

6 points in 10 games is better than 13 in 27..

Stats ftw..
Alright I'll bring up this post in 17 games and we will see if he is doing better then what Shannon did.

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01-10-2009, 11:39 PM
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Ya he was a good deal, and the point is, is that Muckler missed out on signing this good deal.
Ok, but this thread is so random..it's been issued already..

Let's talk about who's better as far as current prospects in Bingo instead..

Zack vs Peter

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Alright I'll bring up this post in 17 games and we will see if he is doing better then what Shannon did.
I am fine with that, but you also have to watch him play as well..

Although you won't and will go only on stats, Ebbett fairs much better than Shannon does at the NHL level..

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01-10-2009, 11:42 PM
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Ok, but this thread is so random..it's been issued already..

Let's talk about who's better as far as current prospects in Bingo instead..

Zack vs Peter
Regin is much more skilled offensively, and will be a 2nd line forward in the future, all the kid needs to do is get stronger.. Lee had the same type of body Regin has right now, Tall and lanky, but as you can see Lee has bulked up quite a bit..

(Lee's shot has probably gotten 10x better since last all star game in the A). Regin reminds me a lot of Vermette, but with better hockey sense.. He has scored goals that would make any NHL highlight reel.

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Although you won't and will go only on stats
That's how Fuhr rolls. Watching players is overrated, the only thing you need to judge someone is hockeydb.

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Regin is much more skilled offensively, and will be a 2nd line forward in the future, all the kid needs to do is get stronger.. Lee had the same type of body Regin has right now, Tall and lanky, but as you can see Lee has bulked up quite a bit..

(Lee's shot has probably gotten 10x better since last all star game in the A). Regin reminds me a lot of Vermette, but with better hockey sense.. He has scored goals that would make any NHL highlight reel.
I agree Sammitch, Regin as been Hamel/Mauldin's mentor and it's payed off for him..kid's got some skills..

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01-11-2009, 12:38 AM
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Parody? some of these threads are starting to worry me.

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This guy must be the reason we are 2nd last in the league right now.. Jeez Muckler if only you'd have signed him.

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IIRC Ebbett left the organization as a free agent for Anaheim because he felt he would get a better chance at the NHL, with their forward depth being weaker. Boy was he wrong. Point is, Muckler made many mistakes, but I don't know that Ebbett counts.

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his whopping 6points and two goals this year makes the world of difference?

He is a very small C and is a 3rd liner on a good night, Sens problems start in net and then the top two lines for what is on the ice

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I don't think Mucks set up the team for failure. I don't think things were ever as good as they were with Mucks at the helm and Melnyk fired him after getting us to the cup finals. No good deed goes unpunished.

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01-12-2009, 08:02 AM
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I don't think Mucks set up the team for failure. I don't think things were ever as good as they were with Mucks at the helm and Melnyk fired him after getting us to the cup finals. No good deed goes unpunished.
With out a doubt mucks set us up for failure.Sure he did a good job with the big club but did little with the farm system.


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01-12-2009, 08:15 AM
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Andrew Ebbet, I agree with Fuhr, there are many AHL players like him around....

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01-12-2009, 08:35 AM
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Truth is, any GM would've had success with the Sens from 2002 til 2007. And any GM would've had to deal with a precarious cap situation and a lack of dept in the organization from 2007 until now.

Murray could've done a better job,especially on defence but at the same time, would we be in a better position if we were stuck with a Redden-like contract? Or Campbell at 7,2M$ for 8 years?

I think he did a great job retaining Spezza, Heatley, Fisher, Alfi, Vermette, Emery and Schubert. Those guys were the one everybody wanted to keep here long term cause they were instrumental in our cup run and he did just that. He managed to create unexistent cap space to keep him all here and there was enough money for Meszaros too, another situation that could have turned a lot worse this summer (Although with hindsight, getting a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in return from Tampa's offer sheet would be pretty comical at the moment)

This Muckler love fest must end now. There is no argument that he's directly responsible for the lack of dept in our organization. When you add Redden and Gerber's contract to the Havlat trade and letting go Chara, there is just no reason why he should still be here, SCF or not.

I've always said that he should have been canned with J.Martin after the 04 playoffs. He put the blame on the coach and got himself two extra years His deadline deals were obviously inadequate for what the team needed and it was time to let him go before he could do more damage. He's had his chances and he blew it, let's move on.

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I have held on to comment on this again, but Ebbett has held his own in the NHL, on a Playoff team, and has 13 points in 23 games...

I think he has proven he can be a full time NHL player..
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02-13-2009, 03:30 PM
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Yeah, 23 games and one season makes a full time NHL forward.

Ridiculous.

Every GM in the league has guys like this pass through the system and get away without compensation.

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Ironically I have him in one of my keeper leagues right now.

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