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10-20-2009, 07:48 PM
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Yeah, they definitely need to nix that crowd chant bull ****. There are like seventeen other NHL teams that use that song. Wherewolves of London was AWESOME. I still get happy everytime I hear it in a bar or something. Bark at the Moon would work too. Much more intense song.
I don't like the crowd chant thing either, it's just so damn generic and half the league uses it. Reminds me of how you see those Fox Sports commercials that are played everywhere they just change the uniforms for the various markets. I hate how things are so ****ing generic and bland. Lets have some flavor please!!!

I like your Bark and the Moon idea. When the Coyotes score they could dim the lights a bit, turn on the glowing crescent moon that still exists in the arena and then blast Bark at the Moon! Or do the same thing only with Werewolves of London.

For the love of god just bring back some originality, please!

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While we are mentioning Songs I still think the Coyotes need to use the classic "Who let the Dogs out" more. Especially at the begining of the game. Yes it cheesy but it is very fun and catchy and fits our new pack mentality very well.
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I like your Bark and the Moon idea. When the Coyotes score they could dim the lights a bit, turn on the glowing crescent moon that still exists in the arena and then blast Bark at the Moon! Or do the same thing only with Werewolves of London.
I like that. They could easily alternate songs too.

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The problem here that no one seems to be acknowledging is that hockey fans at large have atrocious taste in music.

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While we are mentioning Songs I still think the Coyotes need to use the classic "Who let the Dogs out" more. Especially at the begining of the game. Yes it cheesy but it is very fun and catchy and fits our new pack mentality very well.
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I may be going to see those guys tonight at the Marquee in Tempe. My neighbor was going to take this chick but it looks like she's backing out and my jobless ass will get to go have a blast.

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I may be going to see those guys tonight at the Marquee in Tempe. My neighbor was going to take this chick but it looks like she's backing out and my jobless ass will get to go have a blast.
Awesome! they are a fantastic band to see live. One of the best shows I have seen.

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The problem here that no one seems to be acknowledging is that hockey fans at large have atrocious taste in music.
Alright then, we'll just play Disturbed, Godsmack, Cold, Nickelback, Puddle of Mud, Saliva, Drowning Pool, Buckcherry, and all of those kinds of awesome bands. That ought to bring droves and droves of hockey fans.

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I'm not sure why you used a sarcasm emoticon there. It would work. Something like this might be a more appropriate graphic representation:

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I'm not sure why you used a sarcasm emoticon there. It would work. Something like this might be a more appropriate graphic representation:
Those bands are why I never go to the bar without my ipod. My regular drinking buddies also generally bring theirs, so when Disturbed comes on, we pause our conversation, listen to the ipods until it's finished, then pick the conversation back up.

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There's another idea. Let's have concerts outside the arena after certain games. They already do it for New Years Celebration so find a few other dates.
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It's not really about getting butts in the seats: if there was one thing I liked about D Backs games, i liked how each player has their unique theme song (of their choosing) that plays when they come to bat. Couldn't each player have their own theme song for when they score or fight depending upon their contribution to the team.

Also have said this before and I'm serious. Turn the Lexus/ Commerica Bank Club into a strip club. You can design it so no one in the open arena can see any actual T&A, but we need to pull out the stops. See if the state will allow the Toyota club to be turned into a casino while were at it.
I don't see how that can work considering the sex appeal of The Pack doesn't work to getting more sellouts at the games.

Also by having strippers at the games you're just going to attrac more of the thugs and pimps to the games.

If you thought we were a laughing stock now just imagine how bad it would when the sports world says the Coyotes have to resort to attracting criminals and the low-lifes to the games in order to got the games.
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10-21-2009, 01:23 AM
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The problem here that no one seems to be acknowledging is that hockey fans at large have atrocious taste in music.
At least they play Rush now and again at hockey games. It's my only reprieve from the garbage that is typically played at hockey games. It is a matter of taste though, I can't say I've been exactly impressed by your previous examples of "good" music.

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"Atrocious taste" may have been an overstatement as I don't think the sort of people who listen to Nickelback are the sort who actively seek out music in the first place. Bad taste I can live with, though I may disagree with it on an aesthetic level. It's no taste that irks me on a more moral level.

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I don't see how that can work considering the sex appeal of The Pack doesn't work to getting more sellouts at the games.

Also by having strippers at the games you're just going to attrac more of the thugs and pimps to the games.

If you thought we were a laughing stock now just imagine how bad it would when the sports world says the Coyotes have to resort to attracting criminals and the low-lifes to the games in order to got the games.
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1st off have you been to an "adult entertainment" establishment? There is a major difference between the level of talent there and the pack dancers that were disbanded two seasons ago. BTW have you noticed the dramatic drop off in attendance numbers since they disbanded the pack? Coincidence? just saying.

We can't be any more of a laughing stock, making money is all that matters. Sex sells in our society is my point, "adult entertainment" establishments have very little overhead and make money hand over fist, yet are all poorly managed. We can do it better. An alternative could be turn the Comerica bank Club into a night club with scantily dressed go-go dancers. The ballpark implemented the Diamond [Night] Club 2 seasons ago, I believe that has been some success. My point is this; the entire Westgate development is centered around night life, yet there is no connection of the program from Westgate bleeding into the Hockey experience. There is an inherent disconnect that happens. Let build upon that. We need to think out of the box here.

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I have to wonder if they ask the hockey players what music they want to hear during games?

If you look at their bios, about half of the players say Nickleback is their favorite band..the other half say Country music....which I assume is the pop-rock country bands out there and not real country music like old-school Johnny Cash or Waylon Jennings...which deserves respect regardless of whether you like it or not.


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I have a buddy thats a DJ w/ KUPD and is slated to fill in with the Arena announcements this season, I will hit him up with the music ideas.

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I'm sure someone will attack me for misogyny or some ****, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

Sex sells, to that I'm sure we can all agree. But a strip club is a non-starter. No professional team will want to be associated with that.

The Pack Dancers and Shovel Girls can satisfy the "sex" angle with a few tweeks to what we've had in the past. The Dancers were, to my thinking, far more effective when they came running down the aisles during the game to lead the chants and noise calls than their intermission on-ice routines. Spice up the outfits, move the 16-20 of them around the sections throughout the game with their pom-poms, and give them plenty of jumbotron exposure. Also encourage them to cheese more with the fans than the jumbotron cameras.

Shovel girls, look around the league. When HH and I were in LA you could not help but notice the shovel girls were not selected for their on-ice efficiency. They were competent skaters and shovelers whose shoveling efficiency was improved just a bit by a top heaviness that helped keep their shovels in closer contact with the ice. And the cut of their tops could not be missed as you watched closely to make sure they scooped up all the loose ice.

Cost is also no excuse for any team to forego in-game entertainment. I'm not aware of any professional franchise that pays much more than minimum wage (if anything) for cheerleaders or dancers. The attraction for most of them is to get publicity and invited to do outside gigs and photo shoots. They do fundraisers in the communities and can add community service to their resumes after college.

It's presented at an innocent enough level so as not to appear tacky, it's suitable for all ages, and spicy enough to appeal to the base instincts of the always in-control and frequently inebriated male hockey fan.

Oh, and Hooter Girls either need to girl the Hooter food stand, or have a table opposite it signing people up for some Hooter Club, signing autographs, selling calendars, or selling Coyotes Hooters Ticket Packages: Buy a pair, get two large-sized cups free........filled with the beverage of your choice for free.

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1st off have you been to an "adult entertainment" establishment? There is a major difference between the level of talent there and the pack dancers that were disbanded two seasons ago. BTW have you noticed the dramatic drop off in attendance numbers since they disbanded the pack? Coincidence? just saying.

We can't be any more of a laughing stock, making money is all that matters. Sex sells in our society is my point, "adult entertainment" establishments have very little overhead and make money hand over fist, yet are all poorly managed. We can do it better. An alternative could be turn the Comerica bank Club into a night club with scantily dressed go-go dancers. The ballpark implemented the Diamond [Night] Club 2 seasons ago, I believe that has been some success. My point is this; the entire Westgate development is centered around night life, yet there is no connection of the program from Westgate bleeding into the Hockey experience. There is an inherent disconnect that happens. Let build upon that. We need to think out of the box here.


Yes! Sex does sell but I don't want that! I'll admit right now that I look down upon strippers, prostitutes, or anyone who works in an adult establishment regardless if what they are doing or where they do it is legal or not.

I'm sick and tired of the moral decline in this country and one of the reasons why I follow hockey and attend hockey games is because the sport doesn't resort to bringing in the crap that we have seen over the years in other sports.

I got interested in hockey for the game itself and there are plenty of others in Arizona that have done the same and more will do the same once we have a team that turns the corner.

As much as I hate the hockey elitists for them wishing for all the sunbelt teams to move to Canada, I do agree with them that anything sex related should have no place in the game, especially dance girls and cheerleaders for they are more of an ideal fit for Football and Basketball.

Also, regardless if you have these adult entertainers hidden away from the main crowd or not, once the family crowd finds out about it they will stop going to the games.


Ill tell you what if you want to sell sex at Jobing.com Arena then do so for events concerts etc where those who attend are at least 18.
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1st off have you been to an "adult entertainment" establishment? There is a major difference between the level of talent there and the pack dancers that were disbanded two seasons ago. BTW have you noticed the dramatic drop off in attendance numbers since they disbanded the pack? Coincidence? just saying.

We can't be any more of a laughing stock, making money is all that matters. Sex sells in our society is my point, "adult entertainment" establishments have very little overhead and make money hand over fist, yet are all poorly managed. We can do it better. An alternative could be turn the Comerica bank Club into a night club with scantily dressed go-go dancers. The ballpark implemented the Diamond [Night] Club 2 seasons ago, I believe that has been some success. My point is this; the entire Westgate development is centered around night life, yet there is no connection of the program from Westgate bleeding into the Hockey experience. There is an inherent disconnect that happens. Let build upon that. We need to think out of the box here.
lol...c'mon man, seriously?! I saw your post about it earlier and just moved along assuming you would too but you're still honestly trying to float the strip club idea?! Think about what you're saying and realize how unbelievably silly you sound. lol...I'm not going to say it's the worst idea ever but I'm pretty sure it'd get a nomination at least!

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Sex sells, but it's not going to draw fans. Ultimately the only thing that is going to draw fans is going to be the product. There can be many detours to getting the fan to the product which is why I mentioned the current pricing structure not validating the value in our market.

Even though hockey is not a new product in our market, and we have tons of people who have been exposed to the sport in other markets (i.e. Detroit, New York, Chicago), you have to sell it like it's a new product if it's not drawing enough interest. That's part of the reason you've seen them try to re-brand the organization a couple of times. The biggest challenge with marketing a new product is improving brand recognition, getting people to try your product. This is clearly where the team is failing right now, they are doing nothing effective to get people to try their product.

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Nothing against strippers(I've been good friends with a few over the years), but we should be attracting the families. Also, I think we need to remember what people are really buying when the purchase a ticket. They're buying a ticket to a hockey game. If they don't have any interest in the game, they're not going to buy the ticket. All the t-shirt guns, scantily clad young women, better music, and cooler uniforms in the world isn't going to change that.

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There can be many detours to getting the fan to the product which is why I mentioned the current pricing structure not validating the value in our market.
I think your pricing structure post was spot on. The team needs to figure out the price vs volume curve based on available data and restructure their pricing, if only for a few games. One game was obviously not enough to get people coming out to games.

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Even though hockey is not a new product in our market, and we have tons of people who have been exposed to the sport in other markets (i.e. Detroit, New York, Chicago), you have to sell it like it's a new product if it's not drawing enough interest.
You actually have to go beyond what you would do with a new product, because the situation is much worse than that. The majority of people that are going to try out Coyotes hockey to see if they want to attend games already have done so, if not in the past than during the home opener. It appears many of those people have tried the product out and for what ever reason decided it wasn't worth it. The Coyotes, especially their marketing department, have to work harder than a team working with a new product to get people to attend games. If the team can keep winning maybe they can get some of those people that tried the game out on opening night to see the team actually show up.

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You actually have to go beyond what you would do with a new product, because the situation is much worse than that. The majority of people that are going to try out Coyotes hockey to see if they want to attend games already have done so, if not in the past than during the home opener. It appears many of those people have tried the product out and for what ever reason decided it wasn't worth it. The Coyotes, especially their marketing department, have to work harder than a team working with a new product to get people to attend games. If the team can keep winning maybe they can get some of those people that tried the game out on opening night to see the team actually show up.
We agree, but of what the Coyotes need to sell is that this a new product on the ice, it's not what you've seen before, even if you've been to the games in the past. Winning is a key ingredient, but it's not the only thing.

Didn't the WNBA Mercury just win another title? I get the impression that winning hasn't helped their attendance too much more than the core audience but I'll plead ignorance on that. You have to expand beyond your core audience to draw in new fans, and Coyotes have never been able to do that. However, the Coyotes have had strong attendance in the past, so it's reasonable to say that the market is there it's just not nurtured. Maybe winning is all it would take, but it's going to take years of winning I suspect to regain the crowds.

The price of the tickets don't bother me that much personally, although I do think they are overpriced. The biggest reason I will not spend my money on the team is that I can more effectively see the game on DVR on my HDTV from home in actual time (60 minutes). If I went to the game I'd probably have to leave about 5:30-6:00pm (to account for added cost of dinner too) and I wouldn't get home until 10:00-10:30pm. That's 4.5-5 hours compared to 1 hours...no-brainer for me, and my baby is not restless sitting in the arena to top it off. I'm not sure there is a solution to the fan like me who has found more convenient methods of watching the games. I was someone who would fill 80-120 seats a season in the past too.

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Didn't the WNBA Mercury just win another title? I get the impression that winning hasn't helped their attendance too much more than the core audience but I'll plead ignorance on that. You have to expand beyond your core audience to draw in new fans, and Coyotes have never been able to do that. However, the Coyotes have had strong attendance in the past, so it's reasonable to say that the market is there it's just not nurtured. Maybe winning is all it would take, but it's going to take years of winning I suspect to regain the crowds.
The Mercury's problems are a different one.

They suffer from two things 1) the perception that the WNBA is an inferior pro product. At first this may have been true but the level of talent and competition has risen so dramatically that it's actually fun to watch. The second problem is the perception that only women and/or lesbians go watch the sport live. This isn't the case either. The Mercury is a great team to watch live and have a very varied fan base.

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I'm sick and tired of the moral decline in this country and one of the reasons why I follow hockey and attend hockey games is because the sport doesn't resort to bringing in the crap that we have seen over the years in other sports.
Moral decline of society and Hockey is a respite from that? A sport where they beat the living pulp out of each other? A sport where if you had a mic on the bench and the ice you would hear guys talk dirtier than sailors? Come on, we love hockey because it's a great sport, don't make it something that it isn't.

The strip club idea was one part tongue and cheek, but it would help with our bottom line and pure and simple thats needs to be the focus; how to maximize what little profit potential this franchise currently has. My suggestion entailed utilizing the commerica bank club, so that it would be isolated from the rest of the arena and families could continue to attend and not be "exposed" (pun) to the strip club environment.

Let me ask you this, of all the suggestions posted how many will actually draw fans to the arena? and help our bottom line? No one is coming to the Games just because Jenna Jameson is an ice girl. No one is coming for the music. no one is coming for the food or even the non hockey entertainment. At the end of the day who cares if they play the Werewolf of London song (which has always perplexed me as we are not the Phoenix Werwolf's) no one is opting to not attend a game because of the celebratory song. I guess I took the inflection based upon the title of this thread, what would expand "new" fan interest not solidify the folks like us that will attend and watch games as long as we can financial afford too.

Thats fine the Stip Club is a bad idea, what about the Casino in the Toyota Club, something that draws people pure and simple and frankly given our attendance to the past 2 games, massive amounts of people need to be drawn.

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