I actually prefaced my entries on Barker that i had recently watched him play. He gets the puck out of his own just fine, as good as hamrlik and spacek anyhow. I'm sorry, but his defensive partner is Sopel, the worst d-man on the team. So there's a reason why he doesn't always look good. He's not the greatest defensively, but he's also only 23. He's better than Komisarek anyway, and has way more upside, so i'd take him in a heartbeat. And he had 29 points last year on the PP in only 68 games. That's overwhelming offensive contribution if i ever saw it. I don't know why you're fighting me on this, it's really annoying.
He's on a very good team, and it's understandable how he ends up on the bottom-pairing on that team. Like I said, he can get points on the PP, although I don't think of 29 as overwhelming, that is still just Brisebois-like full-season production to me. It's all right, but just not worth trading for. I'm pretty sure that the Hawks will find him a lot easier to trade than Campbell, though, and I can see why there would be rumours going around about his availability. He's a spare part for them, but he's also young and with upside, and that's a much more attractive commodity on the market than Campbell's massive contract is. The team that gets him will immediately boost his icetime and he'll get points on the PP again. He's a good hockey pool player and fantasy investment that way. But in real game action, for a real hockey team, he's just not that great. Guys like him and Hainsey and Brisebois have their place and their time in the sun. And even some one-off games where they look good. But over the long haul, their weaknesses are exposed.
I actually prefaced my entries on Barker that i had recently watched him play. He gets the puck out of his own just fine, as good as hamrlik and spacek anyhow. I'm sorry, but his defensive partner is Sopel, the worst d-man on the team. So there's a reason why he doesn't always look good. He's not the greatest defensively, but he's also only 23. He's better than Komisarek anyway, and has way more upside, so i'd take him in a heartbeat. And he had 29 points last year on the PP in only 68 games. That's overwhelming offensive contribution if i ever saw it. I don't know why you're fighting me on this, it's really annoying.
barker would help alot
i think you're getting some push back from hab fans cause our d is in complete disarray and they're all looking for the perfect d to help.
sadly there are not many Ds that play as good in both zones to come in and be our markov
Barker would help though. He is someone that would help any team.
We would have to get rid of Gill though so that we only have one guy thats not AS GOOD (not horrible though) in their own zone
He's on a very good team, and it's understandable how he ends up on the bottom-pairing on that team. Like I said, he can get points on the PP, although I don't think of 29 as overwhelming, that is still just Brisebois-like full-season production to me. It's all right, but just not worth trading for. I'm pretty sure that the Hawks will find him a lot easier to trade than Campbell, though, and I can see why there would be rumours going around about his availability. He's a spare part for them, but he's also young and with upside, and that's a much more attractive commodity on the market than Campbell's massive contract is. The team that gets him will immediately boost his icetime and he'll get points on the PP again. He's a good hockey pool player and fantasy investment that way. But in real game action, for a real hockey team, he's just not that great. Guys like him and Hainsey and Brisebois have their place and their time in the sun. And even some one-off games where they look good. But over the long haul, their weaknesses are exposed.
You honestly don't think he'd be an immediate improvement to our defense, right now? He's an offensive defenseman first for sure, but I think he's a better defenseman than 5/6 guys we are dressing right now.
Never mind the fact that he's only 23 years old and still improving. We'd be lucky to get a player like Barker in our organization IMHO.
barker would help alot
i think you're getting some push back from hab fans cause our d is in complete disarray and they're all looking for the perfect d to help.
sadly there are not many Ds that play as good in both zones to come in and be our markov
Barker would help though. He is someone that would help any team.
We would have to get rid of Gill though so that we only have one guy thats not AS GOOD (not horrible though) in their own zone
My push back is predicated on the heady praise and high price tags that I'm seeing thrown around for Barker here. I agree that he'd help the team, and like I said, I'd be happy if the Habs signed him as a free agent. But to make a trade for him? Honestly, I think there will be a decent market for him, and I don't want the Habs to be players on that market, because the pricetag will probably exceed Barker's real value. I don't want the perfect D instead of him. I'd just stick with what we have.
Gill will fit very welll with this team once he goes back to the role player he was brought here for. We would already have 5 defensmen already capable surpassing 20+ points.
My push back is predicated on the heady praise and high price tags that I'm seeing thrown around for Barker here. I agree that he'd help the team, and like I said, I'd be happy if the Habs signed him as a free agent. But to make a trade for him? Honestly, I think there will be a decent market for him, and I don't want the Habs to be players on that market, because the pricetag will probably exceed Barker's real value. I don't want the perfect D instead of him. I'd just stick with what we have.
You act like i actually want to give that much away for Barker. If you had read my previous post carefully, you would have understood that i wrote how much it would take to get him right now. Simple as that. and that if their is a desperate team here, its the canadiens not the blackhawks, and that the habs would have to overpay to get Barker and not the other way around. I don't think the Habs are, yet, that desperate to make this kind of deal. But if they were, you couldn't just give Halak, a cursory player, and a crappy draft pick to get Barker. It just won't happen.
Put Markov at 6, Campbell at 7. 13 mill. Hammer at 5.5, 18.5 mill. Spacek is like 3.8, so 22.3. Barker is around 3.5 mill, so 25.8 mill and Gorges at 1.1 = 26.9.
Barker would be a dream addition for us, makes the Mcdonagh trade go away for ever, solves our shot problem on the pp for many years, please god let it be!
I say Barker for Halak and Georges
BGL or Kelowna?
If its Georges you speak of I will have tears of happiness.
If it is Gorges you speak of I will have tears or sadness.
My push back is predicated on the heady praise and high price tags that I'm seeing thrown around for Barker here. I agree that he'd help the team, and like I said, I'd be happy if the Habs signed him as a free agent. But to make a trade for him? Honestly, I think there will be a decent market for him, and I don't want the Habs to be players on that market, because the pricetag will probably exceed Barker's real value. I don't want the perfect D instead of him. I'd just stick with what we have.
ya but you know if anything we wont have to give up that much
the hawks are in cap hell man this year and if this year isnt bad enough wait till the off season
If they dont get rid of someone now, come ofseason they'll be giving guys away for 7th round draft picks cause they'll be in an even worse position.
They know they're in a bad poition now so they have no asking power
ya but you know if anything we wont have to give up that much
the hawks are in cap hell man this year and if this year isnt bad enough wait till the off season
If they dont get rid of someone now, come ofseason they'll be giving guys away for 7th round draft picks cause they'll be in an even worse position.
They know they're in a bad poition now so they have no asking power
Thats exactly what people thought about the Rags and look where that got us. While the Rangers didn't have to make a move everyone and their dog knew they wanted to so they could get Heatley or Gaborik.
At the end of the day, the hawks aren't going to be giving away players especially the younger ones for nothing. There are ways around this for them and worse case is they will find teams willing to give up first round picks. Chicago knows that their is a huge market for their players .
So if Toronto offers them a 3rd for X player, there is a definitely a team who will offer a 2nd, and guarantee there is a team willing to offer up firsts.
It's either they lose Barker, Sharp or Byfuglien for nothing or they lose Kane, Toews and Keith for nothing. The latter group destroys the former.
What Chicago is doing is delaying as much as possible to get the best offer from teams because they know their guys have no value given their cap situation.
Halak, Weber for Barker is more than enough to get him on our team. Anything more is an overpayment. Barker is better than Weber and lets face it Halak will never be out starter.
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You act like i actually want to give that much away for Barker. If you had read my previous post carefully, you would have understood that i wrote how much it would take to get him right now. Simple as that. and that if their is a desperate team here, its the canadiens not the blackhawks, and that the habs would have to overpay to get Barker and not the other way around. I don't think the Habs are, yet, that desperate to make this kind of deal. But if they were, you couldn't just give Halak, a cursory player, and a crappy draft pick to get Barker. It just won't happen.
I wouldn't trade Halak for Barker. And so I'm quite glad therefore that you can reassure me that a trade won't happen.
It's either they lose Barker, Sharp or Byfuglien for nothing or they lose Kane, Toews and Keith for nothing. The latter group destroys the former.
What Chicago is doing is delaying as much as possible to get the best offer from teams because they know their guys have no value given their cap situation.
Halak, Weber for Barker is more than enough to get him on our team. Anything more is an overpayment. Barker is better than Weber and lets face it Halak will never be out starter.
I defense like this
Hamrlik Spacek
Mara Barker
Gill Gorges
is much better than
Hamrlik Spacek
Mara Bergeron
Gill Gorges
and when everyone is healthy
Markov Spacek
Hamrlik Barker
Mara Gorges
even better, 5 puck moving d-men.
I think you are right about the barker for weber and halak deal, but not now. They'll ask for more right now, because they can. It's a simple case of getting the most for a top pick d-man. Of course, if they lose 6 games in a row, they might not be willing to wait until the deadline to make a deal. I just find it ridiculous to believe that they would trade Barker while a) they are winning, and b) Barker's trade value is at its lowest. Chicago is in control of the situation right now; better to wait till the sh** really hits the fan to get the best deal if you're the habs.
Wow blind gardien, you really are... blind. to think Halak has more value than Barker is truly... eye opening!
What kind of value are you talking about? I think Halak is a better hockey player than Barker, and would be more valuable as a member of our team than Barker would. But their respective market values are completely the opposite... Halak has no market value whatsoever, unproven goalies never do, and Barker would probably fetch the Hawks a pretty decent return. But so what? Overall market value doesn't dictate how I would construct my team, and doesn't take into any account what the relative strengths and weaknesses of a specific team are.
Thats exactly what people thought about the Rags and look where that got us. While the Rangers didn't have to make a move everyone and their dog knew they wanted to so they could get Heatley or Gaborik.
At the end of the day, the hawks aren't going to be giving away players especially the younger ones for nothing. There are ways around this for them and worse case is they will find teams willing to give up first round picks. Chicago knows that their is a huge market for their players .
So if Toronto offers them a 3rd for X player, there is a definitely a team who will offer a 2nd, and guarantee there is a team willing to offer up firsts.
but theres a difference between wanting to make cap space (gomez) and needing to make cap space.
Chicago doesnt have a choice they HAVE to...
i dont think any team will get him for just a draft pick
but i dont think that he will be that expensive
he'll get more expensive come deadline time but the thing is that with hossa coming back soonish he's either gone before, or if he's not someone else from their youngsters is
there will be a bidding war for him possibly but i dont see it starting too high cause they really need to move him or someone.
but theres a difference between wanting to make cap space (gomez) and needing to make cap space.
Chicago doesnt have a choice they HAVE to...
i dont think any team will get him for just a draft pick
but i dont think that he will be that expensive
he'll get more expensive come deadline time but the thing is that with hossa coming back soonish he's either gone before, or if he's not someone else from their youngsters is
there will be a bidding war for him possibly but i dont see it starting too high cause they really need to move him or someone.
I dont know, i'd just bury Huet in the minors for a while. Does that still work? There is so many cap rules i have forgotten. But i would do that if allowed and buy time.
