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Fire Sale: Minnesota Wild, pretty much anything and everything must go!

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10-19-2009, 01:49 PM
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To Hawks
Niklas Backstrom
Marek Zidlicky

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2010 1st round pick
Prospect

- OR -

To Chicago
Josh Harding

To Minnesota
Ben Eager
Cory Crawford
3rd round pick

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10-19-2009, 01:50 PM
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Barker for Harding + Hnidy/Zanon?

Harding is inconsistent and can't win big games. Sound familiar? I don't think its a good idea to relinquish Barker for him.

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10-19-2009, 01:57 PM
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I think Nolan would be great for the Sharks. Not sure how many years he has left in him though.

Clowe for Nolan + 2nd
I think the Sharks would be better suited to deal for Andrew Brunette than Owen Nolan. Nolan was a lot better production-wise than Brunette but Brunette is more durable, I think a better fit, a little cheaper, super reliable for secondary scoring in the playoffs, and doesn't have the abrasive reputation that Nolan has. I would be happy with an Owen Nolan acquisition but I think given the option I'd give the nod to Brunette.

I would look for a swap that involves Clowe and either Huskins or Murray for Brunette and either Burns or Schultz and then throw in whatever to even it out.

Andrew Brunette and Brent Burns for Ryane Clowe, Douglas Murray, and probably Logan Couture, and a 1st or 2nd. Depends on how the Wild would value a prospect that's likely to end up as a 2nd line center.

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10-19-2009, 01:57 PM
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G Cristobal Huet
RW Jack Skille
Hawks 1st in 2010

Backstrom would waive his no-trade for Chicago I believe

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10-19-2009, 02:01 PM
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RW Jack Skille
Hawks 1st in 2010

Backstrom would waive his no-trade for Chicago I believe
Value is very far off here..

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10-19-2009, 02:07 PM
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Andrew Brunette and Brent Burns for Ryane Clowe, Douglas Murray, and probably Logan Couture, and a 1st or 2nd. Depends on how the Wild would value a prospect that's likely to end up as a 2nd line center.
Like that deal but I think the value isn't good enough for Minny to be fair.

Nolan
Burns

For

Clowe
Murray
Couture
1st

That sounds more reasonable. Still if you consider Clowe for Nolan straight up is fairly close in value at this point. Murray Couture and a 1st is not enough for Burns I suspect.

Brunette
Burns

For

Clowe
Murray
Couture
Josilin
1st

We replace Clowe with Nolan/Brunette. Huskins with Burns, and Murray with Patrecki (long term). Plus we give up a good D prospect and a 1st.

Minnesota gets Clowe long term and still young. A beast of a defensemen in Murray and an almost guarenteed 2nd line center. Plus a later first and a good offensive D prospect.

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10-19-2009, 02:12 PM
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Devils would trade anything reasonable to get Zidlicky. Is he that bad at defense? Is a a good PP QB, or just a big shot from the point?

What would Minny want from NJ for him?

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10-19-2009, 02:18 PM
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Like that deal but I think the value isn't good enough for Minny to be fair.

Nolan
Burns

For

Clowe
Murray
Couture
1st

That sounds more reasonable. Still if you consider Clowe for Nolan straight up is fairly close in value at this point. Murray Couture and a 1st is not enough for Burns I suspect.

Brunette
Burns

For

Clowe
Murray
Couture
Josilin
1st

We replace Clowe with Nolan/Brunette. Huskins with Burns, and Murray with Patrecki (long term). Plus we give up a good D prospect and a 1st.

Minnesota gets Clowe long term and still young. A beast of a defensemen in Murray and an almost guarenteed 2nd line center. Plus a later first and a good offensive D prospect.
I don't consider Clowe for Nolan or Brunette close to fair value. Ryane Clowe may be sucking something awful and overpaid by about 625k, but he's not a 36 or 37 year old with less than a handful of years left in a career. That'll be where our differences in value will lie. I can understand why you'd think they're about equal though but I wouldn't trade Clowe for Brunette or Nolan straight up. That's selling Clowe at a low.

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10-19-2009, 02:19 PM
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The Avs want Brunette back. What it it going to take.

(That was one of their worst mistakes letting him walk, and they need him more then ever now)
Wasn't Minnesota saying the same thing a few years back? Oh, how the tables have turned, and yet we're only 7 games in.

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10-19-2009, 02:23 PM
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Nolan's been trying to get back to San Jose for like 4 years, LOL, but ever since he left, his balls have since been replaced by Doug Wilson's fragile ego and constant denial. I doubt he trades for him.

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10-19-2009, 02:34 PM
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Wait, you guys already want to trade Greg Zanon?

I, for one, am shocked.

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10-19-2009, 02:39 PM
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Theres simply no way Burns gets traded. Its about the dumbest thing the Wild could do in a rebuild.

By the way, what is the Wild's biggest need?

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10-19-2009, 02:40 PM
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To Ottawa: Brent Burns + Owen Nolan
To Minnesota: Nick Foligno + Brian Lee + 1st

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10-19-2009, 02:45 PM
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Wolski and Svatos/Hensick for Brunette and Schultz????

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10-19-2009, 02:50 PM
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I'm interested in a Brunette


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God, faaaaaaaaar too early for this thread.

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10-19-2009, 02:58 PM
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I'd like to thank op for ruining this thread by including Burns.

Even though several people have said Burns is untouchable (specially in a rebuild), they still see it in OP and make stupid proposals.

And its too soon for this thread. Also when you talk firesale I really don't see how you can include some of the youngest wild players. If you truly do sell off the whole team, those kids will be Vets by the time the team gets good again.

This team will have some tweakage happening but it will be to inject speed and youth in the places where there is age and expiring/trading FAs

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10-19-2009, 03:06 PM
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Wolski and Svatos/Hensick for Brunette and Schultz????
wow...thats overpayment there. Wolski is pretty decent and Avs fans say that Hensick has way more upside than Cogliano.

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10-19-2009, 03:21 PM
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Harding is inconsistent and can't win big games. Sound familiar? I don't think its a good idea to relinquish Barker for him.
Huet is inconsistent and can't even win small games

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10-19-2009, 03:47 PM
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I'd like to thank op for ruining this thread by including Burns.

Even though several people have said Burns is untouchable (specially in a rebuild), they still see it in OP and make stupid proposals.

And its too soon for this thread. Also when you talk firesale I really don't see how you can include some of the youngest wild players. If you truly do sell off the whole team, those kids will be Vets by the time the team gets good again.

This team will have some tweakage happening but it will be to inject speed and youth in the places where there is age and expiring/trading FAs
Because some of those young kids need to find new teams. It's time for anything and everything associated with DR to leave this team.

We have no youth at all. We also just traded two young players for a player we have a dozen for.

Burns has looked bad since returning from last year. ****ing around with his head so much, he needs out. And we can get a nice return from him. He's acting like a forward when he should be a defenceman.

When you look at a firesale, that means young players need to go as well that don't fit in with the team.

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10-19-2009, 04:11 PM
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If I were Chuck Fletcher, only Koivu, Havlat, Clutterbuck, and high picks/good prospects would be hands-off. However Backstrom, Brunette, Pouliot, and Zanon are close to being no-trades too.

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Boogard, Scott, Kassian to Boston

Mikko Lehtonen, Jordan Caron, Boston 2nd in 2010 to Minnesota
DEAL!!

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Any of these look good?
Grabovski for Sheppard, Brodziak
Stajan for Brunette & pic
Hagman for Belanger, Pouliot
Grabovski for Sheppard would be the only one, and it's marginal.

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Barker for Harding + Hnidy/Zanon?
Hnidy - deal!

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Rangers would probably be interested in Kim Johnsson or Nick Schultz
Draft picks and/or prospects from the Rangers.

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The Oilers could use Clutterbuck - I know he is injured, what is the injury? I would like to see him as an Oiler because I hate him (in a respectful sort of way) when the Oilers play the Wild. He would do well under Quinn and the now crustier Oilers.
Clutterbuck isn't going anywhere. We'll keep him.

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To Min-Wolski Cumiskey Pick
To Col-Burns Pouilot or Sheppard
Bruns and Sheppard - deal.

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To Hawks
Niklas Backstrom
Marek Zidlicky

To Minnesota
Campbell
Sharp
2010 1st round pick
Prospect
Deal, if Backs waives his NTC.

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Harding is inconsistent and can't win big games. Sound familiar? I don't think its a good idea to relinquish Barker for him.
Harding has seen a big game?

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Nolan
Burns

For

Clowe
Murray
Couture
1st
Deal.

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Devils would trade anything reasonable to get Zidlicky. Is he that bad at defense? Is a a good PP QB, or just a big shot from the point?

What would Minny want from NJ for him?
Draft picks and/or prospects. 2nd rounder would do it. Zidlicky has got a heckuva shot, and he works a PP very well. He was a big reason why the Wild PP was top-10 last year. But he isn't great on the defensive end, and his style didn't mesh well with Lemaire. Risk/reward guy.

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Wolski and Svatos/Hensick for Brunette and Schultz????
Wolski for Schultz is fair. Top-6 for top-4. Similar money. We need LW help, so I'd do it.

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I'd like to thank op for ruining this thread by including Burns.
This thread would be nothing without Burns, who absolutely should be included in the mix. He has done nothing to warrant untouchabilty to this point. It's just for fun anyway.

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10-19-2009, 04:15 PM
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Because some of those young kids need to find new teams. It's time for anything and everything associated with DR to leave this team.

We have no youth at all. We also just traded two young players for a player we have a dozen for.

Burns has looked bad since returning from last year. ****ing around with his head so much, he needs out. And we can get a nice return from him. He's acting like a forward when he should be a defenceman.

When you look at a firesale, that means young players need to go as well that don't fit in with the team.
I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish by getting rid of a player like burns who has excellent skills as an O-dman and youth. If you did this you would be easily 4-5 years from the playoffs.

I think with some intelligent tweaking it doesn't need to take nearly that long. Many people seem to think the only way to build a contender is to bottom dwell for several years.

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The best thing would be to turn players who will be UFA's in the next two years into prospects. I don't think ownership has the patience for a five year rebuild, and if Koivu, Havlat, Backstrom, and Burns are as advertised, you have the pieces for a solid team. Just need more of them.

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10-19-2009, 04:26 PM
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The Lucic comparison was more of a fan favorite old time hockey player, not a big guy. He doesn't rack up points (yet) but adds a lot of energy and physical presence to an otherwise soft and lazy team.

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This thread would be nothing without Burns, who absolutely should be included in the mix. He has done nothing to warrant untouchabilty to this point. It's just for fun anyway.
trying to figure out what 'has done nothing' means

Done nothing as in stats? Yeah because he only had 15 goals and 43 points as a 22 year old dman (would have had similar numbers last year if he didnt get a concussion), so it can't be the stats.

The wild has no other defensmen even close to the abilty burns has to drive up the ice and lead a rush, stickhandling, speed, physical. So it can't be his hockey ability..because he certainly has top end talent.

What are you trying to do trading a 24 yr old defensman with the skills that burns has? You are basically committing to a 4+ year build by trading him, so that means you need something just as young and talented coming back. His trade value is the lowest it has ever been right now as well which means in reality this would be a lateral move at best.

Also, He is basically the entire future of the wild's backline offense...so you'll have to find someone to replace him.

It just doesn't make sense to trade burns in a rebuild process.

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