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04-09-2004, 09:27 PM
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Night 3 - Worst non/missed calls

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the bulis *hooking* should have been high sticking if anything, mid third period i believe it was

the koivu high sticking was a brutal call, since there was no highsticking, both sticks were up on the hit and i believe the referee who made the call had his side to them

the svatos goalie interference, definitely worst call so far in the playoffs. svatos didn't run him, he went after turco's fake with the puck and turco stopped, svatos ran into him bumping him forward, by the faceoff dot/circle mind you..


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Worst one yet: Jovo knocking down Kiprusoff which leads to a Naslund goal.

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the svatos goalie interference, definitely worst call so far in the playoffs. svatos didn't run him, he went after turco's fake with the puck and turco stopped, svatos ran into him bumping him forward, by the faceoff dot/circle mind you..


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You dont have to 'run' a goalie to get interference..I believe the rule is your supposed to do everything in your power to avoid the goalie..he didnt, simple as that.

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One of the bruins got cross checked to the ice coming across the blueline from behind, I thought that one was pretty obvious.

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Worst one yet: Jovo knocking down Kiprusoff which leads to a Naslund goal.
Yup, that was simply UGLY.

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Hey... what about Don Van Massenhoven getting in the way of EVERYBODY????

(Wasn't it him that assisted on the Naslund goal in Detroit last year?)

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Jovo body-checking Kiprusoff was pretty bad, but neither of the Refs were able to see it, so they can't call it.

On the other hand, Gauthier owned Jovo into the boards head first with Fraser looking right at him. Apparently you have to break a guys neck to get a penatly for boarding.

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the bulis *hooking* should have been high sticking if anything, mid third period i believe it was

the koivu high sticking was a brutal call, since there was no highsticking, both sticks were up on the hit and i believe the referee who made the call had his side to them
Agreed on both, but the refs were being consistent in calling marginal and doubtful infractions all night long and for both teams, so I guess we can be satisfied with their work in this game, in a very weird and unsatisfying way.

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That Jovo hit was one of the worst non calls I've ever seen in terms of obviousness and importance.

IMO they need to give the coaches the right to demand a video review of a goal. Do it like the NFL where if they lose the challenge they lose their timeout. Thank God that goal didn't change the outcome of the game.

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Svatos made contact...shouldn't have been called though. He didn't run straight into him, he made some contact. IMO Turco looked to have exaggerated to get a call. In the 3rd, David Aebischer was run into, and kinda held by a Stars player, but got no call.


IMO, the worst call of the PostSeason is the Jovo bowling over of Kipper...that one is DEFINITE Goalie Interference.

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Worst one yet: Jovo knocking down Kiprusoff which leads to a Naslund goal.
I think maybe that was a make-up call for Simon interfering with Cloutier, leading to Iginla's goal

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That Jovo hit was one of the worst non calls I've ever seen in terms of obviousness and importance.

IMO they need to give the coaches the right to demand a video review of a goal. Do it like the NFL where if they lose the challenge they lose their timeout. Thank God that goal didn't change the outcome of the game.
in the NFL you can't call a replay to question a ref's call.. only for black and white things. such as ball being in the endzone or fumbles...

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I think maybe that was a make-up call for Simon interfering with Cloutier, leading to Iginla's goal
Simon's play wasn't goalie interference, just a smart play by Simon to make sure his skate latched onto Cloutier's stick, which dragged him. All Simon did was skate by Cloutier. He didn't touch him. Cloutier had no chance on the goal, but I don't think it was a penalty personally.

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IMO they need to give the coaches the right to demand a video review of a goal. Do it like the NFL where if they lose the challenge they lose their timeout. Thank God that goal didn't change the outcome of the game.
I like that idea, but I'd give a minor penalty rather than a loss of timeout. Means it would very rarely happen, but only in extreme situations, which is good.

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just a smart play by Simon to make sure his skate latched onto Cloutier's stick, which dragged him.
That is Goaltender Interference.

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That is Goaltender Interference.

but Sopel shoved him into Cloutier, and that is not goaltender interference

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but Sopel shoved him into Cloutier, and that is not goaltender interference
Exactly. Sopel was the one responsible for the contact, and the non-call was absolutely correct.

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What an important thread



The refing is poor nothing you can do about. Both teams got goals that should have been goalie interference so stop whining and Enjoy the Hockey its playoff time your supposed to be insulting the other team not the ref's

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Agreed on both, but the refs were being consistent in calling marginal and doubtful infractions all night long and for both teams, so I guess we can be satisfied with their work in this game, in a very weird and unsatisfying way.
but still, consistent at making crappy calls and ruining the game..

funny, the real blatant slash koivu had, a two hander on hal gill while forechecking that sent gill off hobbling to the bench wasn't called.. but the other crap was

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What an important thread



The refing is poor nothing you can do about. Both teams got goals that should have been goalie interference so stop whining and Enjoy the Hockey its playoff time your supposed to be insulting the other team not the ref's

essentially none of these threads mean anything, as we here control nothing

go read one of the others if this pisses you off so much

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go read one of the others if this pisses you off so much
I certanly will but it just bugs me to see the same topics everyday "the refs sucked", "[insert goalie name] lost us series", It's ok to have a discussion about a certain play but keep it to the team boards.

Refs have a very tough job i have been a minor league ref for 2 years and a linesman b4 that. We can't see everything. Even if we did call everything then all we would have is 3-3 hockey and everyone would complain to about too many penalties.

So what if the ref missed one call i'm sure your team probably wasnt called on some penalty too. Besides if you outplay the team no matter what the refing situation is in a 7 game series the harder working team will always come out on top. ex. Detroit and Anahiem (sp?)


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but still, consistent at making crappy calls and ruining the game..
Not saying I like it much as I'd much rather see them play and get some flow, especially considering this series is far from filled with cheap shots and isn't that physical, but the players seem to ask for only one thing, consistency throughout the game, so they know what to expect, and I thought they were fairly consistent. It's the only positive I can take out of it.

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What about this call:

Don Sweeney knocks down Dan Hinote, and Matthew Barnaby gets the penalty.

The funny thing is that the Avs scored a shorthanded goal because of that call. :lol

It isn't as bad as the missed Jovanovski call that led to the Naslund goal, but it's still pretty bad. I mean, Barnaby was nowhere any Dallas player when the penalty occured...

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but Sopel shoved him into Cloutier, and that is not goaltender interference
Just because you get shoved into the crease doesn't give you the right to make contact with the goaltender. Sopel had let up on Simon before the contact with Cloutier was made.

This is from Rule 78 (Protection of Goalkeeper):

(NOTE 2) If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed to be contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

In my opinion, Simon did not make an effort to avoid contact with Dan Cloutier.

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You've got to be kidding. Let up on him? He rode him RIGHT INTO Cloutier. Only because of Simon's effort did he not run Clouts over completley.

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