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10-20-2009, 03:31 PM
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Chicago Salary Cap Situation Trades

Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.

Trade #2:

Chicago trades:
Brian Campbell
Shawn Lalonde
1st round pick

to

Los Angeles:
Jack Johnson
2nd round pick

Chicago Salary Dump (meaning overpayment to get free salary), and LA gets an upgrade in Brian Campbell.


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10-20-2009, 03:35 PM
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So the islanders give up a better goaltender and a draft pick for a salary dump?

I don't think so

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If you want Biron for Huet, give us Barker too.

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Chicago Trades:
Huet

for

New York Islanders:
Biron
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.

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Maybe it's just me, but I believe that Biron is only a slight upgrade over Huet.

As for the second deal, I swear...I would literally cry. That doesn't even make sense. Campbell's game is really coming into his own lately and Shawn Lalonde can flat-out fly and has the potential to fill in for Campbell down the road playing a similar style of game. I'm not gonna say too much about Jack Johnson because well, I like him and I think this will be the year he finally puts it together. But still you take Lalonde outta the deal and I'm happy.

And everyone is probably sayin' why does that guy value the Hawks prospects so much? Well, because I think these guys could be very solid contributors down the road. And you always have to keep the farm fresh. Lalonde and Sweatt are arguably two of our best prospects considering they're about the only ones who don't have behavioral problems like Aliu and Beach.

I don't like either of these deals to be honest, but at this point if we get a bag of pucks for Huet I'll be happy.

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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.



Chicago Salary Dump (meaning overpayment to get free salary), and LA gets an upgrade in Brian Campbell.
Counter offer

Huet (and his bloated contract)
3rd round pick in 2014

4

Biron
Yashin's buyout

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10-20-2009, 04:23 PM
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Niether the Islanders or the Kings would accept these offers.

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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?"
Actually, the question most of us would ask is "Why in the heck would the Isles take on Huet's contract?"

Yes, they have the cap space. They also have Roloson signed for 2 years, the possibility of DP coming back, and finally have some decent goalies in the pipe.

So why take on an overpaid, mediocre goalie?

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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.

.

So for taking on a struggling Huet and his $16m in salary,the nyi get a whopping 3rd/4th rounder?

Thank you for the laugh.It's been a long day

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10-20-2009, 04:31 PM
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If you want Biron for Huet, give us Barker too.
What about Shawn Lalonde? I love the kid but to rid ourselves of Huet's contract I would think about it

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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.

Trade #2:

Chicago trades:
Brian CampbellShawn Lalonde
1st round pick

to

Los Angeles:
Jack Johnson
2nd round pick

Chicago Salary Dump (meaning overpayment to get free salary), and LA gets an upgrade in Brian Campbell.
Good luck finding any team to take that overpaid contract. Most times teams don't take on other teams mistakes. Especially in the cap world we live in..

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Chicago Trades:
Huet
3rd/4th round pick in 2010

for

New York Islanders:
Biron

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.

Trade #2:

Chicago trades:
Brian Campbell
Shawn Lalonde
1st round pick

to

Los Angeles:
Jack Johnson
2nd round pick

Chicago Salary Dump (meaning overpayment to get free salary), and LA gets an upgrade in Brian Campbell.
You want us to give you JJ, who has been absolutely kicking ass, for an overpaid Campbell AND throw in our first?

Negative.

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10-20-2009, 04:46 PM
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How are these

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To Hawks
G Martin Biron
C David Toews

To Islanders
G Cristobal Huet
D Shawn Lalonde
Cal 2nd in 2011

#2
To Wild (If Huet continues to Falter and when Hossa is ready)
LW Andrew Ladd

To Hawks
G Josh Harding
2nd round pick
6th round pick

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How are these

#
To Hawks
G Martin Biron
C David Toews

To Islanders
G Cristobal Huet
D Shawn Lalonde
Cal 2nd in 2011
With De Haan,Ness,Gervais,Hillen,Katic..the isles don't need more nonphysical young defensive prospects.

And scouts are saying the 2011 draft is one of the weakest in yrs.So that late 2nd doesn't hold much interest.

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here's my offseason plan

it may be too logical for some of you guys so you'll prolly throw a laughing similies at me

so..

throw huet in the minors so that we dont have to here about any HF board trades about how we have to package toews with huet to give incentive

resign toews at 5.50-5.75/year
resign kane at 5.50-5.75/year
resign keith long term to get his cap hit down to about 4.25-4.5/year (a quasi-Franzen deal)
resign hjalmarsson for 2/year
resign ladd for 2/year
resign burish for 0.800/year
resign skille for 0.800/year
resign Niemi

recall Dowell for the 3rd Line
recall any defenseman for your 6th Dman
recall Crawford as backup


trade Sopel for anything you can get *AT THE END OF THE SEASON*
trade Versteeg for anything you can get *AT THE END OF THE SEASON* - preferably look for prospects that will project to play as a bottom 2 defenseman or a 3rd and 4th line
Let Madden walk
Pay Huet in the minors and regret the day you signed him


Projected Lineup

Sharp (3.9) Toews (5.50) Hossa (5.233)
Byfuglien (3) Bolland (3.375) Kane (5.750)
Ladd (2) Dowell (.550) Brouwer (1)
Kopecky (1.2) Burish (.8) Skille (0.800)

Keith (4.25) Seabrook (3.5)
Campbell (7.140) Hjalmarsson (2)
Barker (3.083) Hendry/Lalonde/Any entry-level D (0.800)

Niemi (2)
Crawford (0.700)

TOTAL 56.831 - over the cap by 0.031

EDIT: IF CAP DOES GO UP BY LETS SAY 1.5 MILLION - RESIGN LADD @ 2.25, KANE @ 6, TOEWS @ 6 .. WHICH IS MUCH MORE BELIEVABLE

the only problem i can see looking at this is getting kane and toews at the 5.5 and 5.75.. keith and his agent will take the long-term deal since its a guaranteed future, this is coming from a guy that signed a 5 year deal as a very young player



OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE JUST DID THAT

DOES THAT MEAN ________ (ENTER YOUR FAVORITE TEAM HERE) ISN'T GOING TO GET TOEWS, KANE, KEITH, BARKER, SHARP, BOLLAND, SEABROOK, HJALMARSSON, BROUWER AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MAKES CHICAGO A GOOD TEAM

WHAT!!! CHICAGO IS GOING TO BE CONTENDING NEXT YEAR... IT CANT BE!!!



edit: link to speculation that the cap will not go down next season http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-up-and-more/


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here's my offseason plan

it may be too logical for some of you guys so you'll prolly throw a laughing similies at me

so..

throw huet in the minors so that we dont have to here about any HF board trades about how we have to package toews with huet to give incentive

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I think Huet to the minors is the Hawks best bet.

If the Chicago gm were to call Snow about Biron,I'm guessing Snow would ask for a 2nd rounder in the 2010 draft.

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I think Huet to the minors is the Hawks best bet.

If the Chicago gm were to call Snow about Biron,I'm guessing Snow would ask for a 2nd rounder in the 2010 draft.
i have my heart set on Turco, being a UFA at the end of the season, and the Hawks have the draft picks and the prospects to trade

but Biron would be a great choice

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here's my offseason plan

it may be too logical for some of you guys so you'll prolly throw a laughing similies at me

so..

throw huet in the minors so that we dont have to here about any HF board trades about how we have to package toews with huet to give incentive

resign toews at 5.50-5.75/year
resign kane at 5.50-5.75/year
resign keith long term to get his cap hit down to about 4.25-4.5/year (a quasi-Franzen deal)
resign hjalmarsson for 2/year
resign ladd for 2/year
resign burish for 0.800/year
resign skille for 0.800/year
resign Niemi

recall Dowell for the 3rd Line
recall any defenseman for your 6th Dman
recall Crawford as backup


trade Sopel for anything you can get *AT THE END OF THE SEASON*
trade Versteeg for anything you can get *AT THE END OF THE SEASON* - preferably look for prospects that will project to play as a bottom 2 defenseman or a 3rd and 4th line
Let Madden walk
Pay Huet in the minors and regret the day you signed him


Projected Lineup

Sharp (3.9) Toews (5.50) Hossa (5.233)
Byfuglien (3) Bolland (3.375) Kane (5.750)
Ladd (2) Dowell (.550) Brouwer (1)
Kopecky (1.2) Burish (.8) Skille (0.800)

Keith (4.25) Seabrook (3.5)
Campbell (7.140) Hjalmarsson (2)
Barker (3.083) Hendry/Lalonde/Any entry-level D (0.800)

Niemi (2)
Crawford (0.700)

TOTAL 56.831 - over the cap by 0.031

the only problem i can see looking at this is getting kane and toews at the 5.5 and 5.75.. keith and his agent will take the long-term deal since its a guaranteed future, this is coming from a guy that signed a 5 year deal as a very young player



OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE HE JUST DID THAT

DOES THAT MEAN ________ (ENTER YOUR FAVORITE TEAM HERE) ISN'T GOING TO GET TOEWS, KANE, KEITH, BARKER, SHARP, BOLLAND, SEABROOK, HJALMARSSON, BROUWER AND ANYONE ELSE THAT MAKES CHICAGO A GOOD TEAM

WHAT!!! CHICAGO IS GOING TO BE CONTENDING NEXT YEAR... IT CANT BE!!!



edit: link to speculation that the cap will not go down next season http://blogs.mercurynews.com/sharks/...e-up-and-more/
Cant afford to bring everyone back and Ladd at 2 mil is a pipe dream

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Corey Schneider, Jannik Hansen and a 2nd (11) for Kris Versteeg and Andrew Ladd

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Cant afford to bring everyone back and Ladd at 2 mil is a pipe dream
Well then, unfortunately, Ladd will have to be another player traded as a RFA

I personally dont think its a pipe dream, i think Hawks fan like myself value Ladd more than other team.. Every team has their own Ladd to resign and i doubt some team will offer sheet him


worst case you either play hardball (i.e. the Rangers with Ryan Callahan) and force him to wait for a good contract that fits the hawks

or you trade him and have a 3rd line of
Skille Dowell Brouwer

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Chicago Trades:

While most of you would ask, "Why in the heck would Chicago ante up a draft pick?", let's not forget that the TB/Toronto trade had a 4th going Toronto's way in exhange for taking Kolzig's salary. In other words, it's a thank you gesture and a piece of rebuilding material for the Islanders.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this forum, lol what? I think most of us are thinking "Why in the heck would Islanders take on one of the worst contracts in the league for a 1 year cheap Biron?" You'd have to package a few firsts and there is no WAY NYI with their "internal budget" will ever touch 6 mil huet.

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Corey Schneider, Jannik Hansen and a 2nd (11) for Kris Versteeg and Andrew Ladd
this is actually a trade that makes a little sense.. probably ask for something a little more from Chicago.. but it works-ish

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Cant afford to bring everyone back and Ladd at 2 mil is a pipe dream
Also, if the cap does actually go up next season.. lets say by 1.5 million
then you can add .5 to ladd, toews, and kane

and have ladd at 2.5
kane at 6 and toews at 6


we can only hope but its possible

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Not sure if the old rule still applies about a minimum 10% raise for pending RFA's, but Skille this year is already @ 1.25 so he will either be @ 1.4 or stay the same OR refuse and hold out for a hopeful Offer Sheet.

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Not sure if the old rule still applies about a minimum 10% raise for pending RFA's, but Skille this year is already @ 1.25 so he will either be @ 1.4 or stay the same OR refuse and hold out for a hopeful Offer Sheet.

well.. Skille's salary is 800k.. the 1.25 is a cap hit because of bonuses..

so i dont really know... if he has to get a 10% raise to 1.36.. the guy is gone

at 880k its a good deal


so i'm not sure if the 10% is on the cap hit or on the actually salary


anyone know?!?

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