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Leafs have 16 players without contracts next year...why no fuss from Maguire etc

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10-21-2009, 07:13 PM
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Highlighted are the only ones worth keeping,

this is why our season is off to an 0-7 start
I agree with those picks 100%. The rest are garbage or in Toskala' case a backup at best.

Also agree this is a troll thread.

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10-21-2009, 07:16 PM
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This is as big a part of Burke's rebuild as bringing in the UFAs this summer.

How many of those players do you think Burke even wants back next year? With the way they are playing now, will many fans mind most of them not coming back?
the monster and white, maybe kumlin (sp?)

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10-21-2009, 07:20 PM
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1) What Gainey did during the off-season has nothing to do with this thread.

2) Quit trolling.
Really? Gainey was mentioned by the OP

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10-21-2009, 07:34 PM
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Really? Gainey was mentioned by the OP
yes he was mentioned but, the situation is completly different

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10-21-2009, 08:02 PM
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5 of whom can play top 6? Remember you guys traded those first round picks... Kessel is the only legit first line player of all those fowards, that I'd want part of my first line anyway.

All I'm saying is none of those players, save Kessel, would make a playoffs team's top 6.
I hate the Leafs...

Fact is though, as you said, Kessel is a top 6 for sure. Blake has over 50 points in 5 of his past 6 years. Last year, 180 fowards (6*30) had 40 points or more. Blake is a top 6. Grabovski is a 45-50pt guy who's still young, and Hagman would have put up 55pts if he was healthy. Stalberg is a wildcard but the 2 games I saw of him he was far and away the best Leaf. I'd say he and Grabo aren't sure-fire top 6ers, my point was that they can play top 6 if need be.

And I agree, other than Blake and Kessel all those guys are bottom of the barrel top 6ers, but stats support the fact that they are top 6.

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10-21-2009, 08:11 PM
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Other then orr,get rid of the other 8 misfits as well and build around colt!

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Because most of them shouldn't be offered an NHL contract.

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10-21-2009, 08:23 PM
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I would imagine it has something to do with the fact that Toronto was a pretty bad team last year. Why would you re-sign a slew of players from a loser just because they're your players?

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10-21-2009, 08:30 PM
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Blake - xxx - Kessel
Hagman - Grabovski - Stalberg
Kadri - Bozak - Kulemin
xxx - Hanson - Orr

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Finger - White

Gustavsson

Leafs need a No. 1 Center:
Marleau, Jokinen, Savard...take your pick.

Top six winger:
with Blake, Kessel, Hagman, Stalberg you can always upgrade but I'd say this department is not high on Burke's list. Still...
Paul Kariya, Ray Whitney, Pavol Demitra, Owen Nolan, Fredrik Modin, Vyacheslav Kozlov, Alexandre Frolov...

Checking like center:
Matt Cullen, Jeff Halpern, Eric Belanger, Craig Conroy, David Steckel or bring back Stajan.

Bottom six winger:
LW - Raffi Torres, Rene Bourque, Matt Cooke
RW - Richard Park, Scott Walker, Shawn Thornton, Adam Burish

You can always upgrade goaltending:
Chris Mason, Jose Theodore, Alex Auld, Johan Hedberg...



We could see something like this next year for them Leafs...

Blake - Savard - Kessel
Hagman - Grabovski - Kulemin
Kadri - Bozak - Stalberg
Cooke - Halpern - Orr
Mitchell
Hanson


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10-21-2009, 08:47 PM
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Leafs with no contract next season:

Kulemin
Wallin
Mitchell

Stajan
Ponikarovsky
Primeau

Mayers
Stempniak
Exelby
White
Toskala
Gustavsson
MacDonald

The players I highlighted in bold from your list are those who I think will be back.

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10-21-2009, 08:50 PM
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Blake - xxx - Kessel
Hagman - Grabovski - Stalberg
Kadri - Bozak - Kulemin
xxx - Hanson - Orr

Kaberle - Komisarek
Beauchemin - Schenn
Finger - White

Gustavsson

Leafs need a No. 1 Center:
Marleau, Jokinen, Savard...take your pick.

Top six winger:
with Blake, Kessel, Hagman, Stalberg you can always upgrade but I'd say this department is not high on Burke's list. Still...
Paul Kariya, Ray Whitney, Pavol Demitra, Owen Nolan, Fredrik Modin, Vyacheslav Kozlov, Alexandre Frolov...

Checking like center:
Matt Cullen, Jeff Halpern, Eric Belanger, Craig Conroy, David Steckel or bring back Stajan.

Bottom six winger:
LW - Raffi Torres, Rene Bourque, Matt Cooke
RW - Richard Park, Scott Walker, Shawn Thornton, Adam Burish

You can always upgrade goaltending:
Chris Mason, Jose Theodore, Alex Auld, Johan Hedberg...



We could see something like this next year for them Leafs...

Blake - Savard - Kessel
Hagman - Grabovski - Kulemin
Kadri - Bozak - Stalberg
Cooke - Halpern - Orr
Mitchell
Hanson

I can see something like:

Bolded: UFA from Free Agency
Underlined: Resigned

Tlusty-Marleau/Savard-Kessel
Stalberg-Kadri-Hagman
Ott-Bozak-Hanson
Rosehill-Mitchell-Orr
Primeau, ________

Kaberle-Komisarek
Beauchemin-White
Gunnarsson-Schenn
Exelby

Hiller
Gustavsson

This means that Grabovski, Stajan, Ponikarovsky and Kulemin could be on the trade market this year.

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10-21-2009, 09:14 PM
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Why in the world would anyone even mention Toronto has 16 guys not under contract. That's reason #1071 in the concerns for the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. It means NOTHING.

It meant something for Montreal because the team had high expectations and fell apartt in the second half after a strong start.

And to say Montreal resident Pierre Macguire(A Habs fan) is a Leaf homer just because he doesn't mention it is pretty funny.

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10-21-2009, 09:17 PM
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Cause he hasn't seen this thread yet.

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10-21-2009, 09:49 PM
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the main difference is that none of the Leafs top players are going to free agency, and while a ton of players are going to free agency, we still do have many rookies edging to come up through the ranks.

The current guys under contract are:

Stalberg Bozak Kessel
Grabovski Kadri Hagman
Blake Boyce Rosehill
Orr ______ _____

Kaberle Komisarek
Beauchemin Schenn
Finger Gunnarson

Reimer
_____

that's about 44.5M against the cap, with all the top players signed


realistically, these are teh re-signings we're likely to see:
Gustavson- 2.5M
White-1.5M
Kulemin-1.5
Hanson-0.925
Tlusty-0.855

and I budget 2M for a backup.

Stalberg Bozak Kessel
Kulemin Kadri Hagman
Blake Grabovski Tlusty
Orr Boyce Rosehill
Hanson

Kaberle Komisarek
Beauchemin Schenn
Finger White

Gustavsson
*backup*


assuming a 3M drop in cap space, that leaves the Leafs just under the cap, at ~53M, but with 5.8M of that in bonuses, not too bad.


oh, and if Blake doesn't get his **** together, he's likely to ride the waiver wire, along with his 4M contract

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10-21-2009, 09:56 PM
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Why in the world would anyone even mention Toronto has 16 guys not under contract. That's reason #1071 in the concerns for the Toronto Maple Leafs right now. It means NOTHING.

It meant something for Montreal because the team had high expectations and fell apartt in the second half after a strong start.

And to say Montreal resident Pierre Macguire(A Habs fan) is a Leaf homer just because he doesn't mention it is pretty funny.
Pierre Macguire goes with the hot hand. Was Ottawa, moved to Montreal, then last year he developed a taste for Toronto because of their style of play. Now he's making his way back to Ottawa and his man-crush with Anton Volchenkov et al.

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10-21-2009, 10:01 PM
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Leafs with no contract next season:

Kulemin (RFA) (I would re-sign)
Wallin
Mitchell (I would re-sign)
Stajan (I would re-sign)
Ponikarovsky (I would re-sign)
Primeau
Mayers
Stempniak
Wallin
Van Ryn (Retired..?)
Exelby
White (RFA) (I would re-sign)
Toskala
Gustavsson (RFA) (I would re-sign)
MacDonald


No Komisarek, Koivu or Kovalev among them. Nobody would command a big pay day. The situations are completely different. Kulemin, White, Mitchell and Gustavsson are only ons I'd bet money on returning.
3 are RFA who I definately want back next year. The other 3 are UFA who I also want back. 1 of these is seriously injured, and I think retiring. The rest are: role players, underperforming forwards or goalies who seriously suck.

No trouble here.

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Toronto has 38mil committed to Kessel, Blake, Hagman, Grabo, Stalberg, Orr, Rosehill, Komi, Kaberle, Beauchemin, Finger, and Schenn.

Thats 7 forwards (5 of whom can easily play top 6) and 5 D-men, all of whom are top 6 d. Lets assume Wallin is back for 1.3, Kulemin is back for 1.75, and Stepniak is back for 2.5 (only way they'd resign him is if he continues his strong play, and his play warrants 2.5mil). They then resign Gustav for 1.5 as well, and White for 2.5. Bozak and Hanson are on ELCs

That would leave them with 12F 6D and 1G all signed for 48mil. That leaves around 8mil for one of Kovalchuck, Savard, Frolov, Demitra, Plekanec, O.Jokinen, Svatos, Kariya, Marleau, Semin, Backstrom, Setoguchi, Brassard, Mueller, Kane, Toews, Foligno, Wheeler, Lucic, Little, Ryan, Keith, Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Martin, Hiller, Rinne, Turco, or Nabokov, and a role player. That's assuming they don't trade/waive one of Hagman, Blake, Kaberle, or Finger. Leafs are keeping the core intact which makes this way different then the Habs situation.
I really hate to bust your bubble, but for a lot of those names you'd need a 2011 1st rounder and...well....

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I really hate to bust your bubble, but for a lot of those names you'd need a 2011 1st rounder and...well....
Haha, nice catch

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The way the team is playing it would be a much bigger story if the bulk of the team were locked up longterm.

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The way the team is playing it would be a much bigger story if the bulk of the team were locked up longterm.
Yeah, it's not like any of those 16 are really gamebreakers or anything. Ian White will be worth a flyer, but beyond that...not so sure.

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Yeah, it's not like any of those 16 are really gamebreakers or anything. Ian White will be worth a flyer, but beyond that...not so sure.
White is a good hand as is Poni, a couple others are young enough that theres still time for them to evolve into key players but i'll have no problem seeing the majority of them move on. Nor would i expect much for them as rentals. Mediocre players usually net mediocre returns.

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White is a good hand as is Poni, a couple others are young enough that theres still time for them to evolve into key players but i'll have no problem seeing the majority of them move on. Nor would i expect much for them as rentals. Mediocre players usually net mediocre returns.
I think you'd be better served bleaching Jason Blake and seeing if you can write him off as ineligible to play because he blends in with the ice than resigning 85% of those guys. White, maybe Poni if he doesn't have an ego on him...go fullscale rebuild.

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It seems that in the last 10 years there have been a lot of guys who, after leaving the Leafs, quickly lost their NHL jobs...

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This.
Montreal also replaced those players with overpriced UFAs or traded for a player with one of the worst contracts in the sport.

you mean one of the worst contract in sports period....

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Shows why the Leafs suck not one of those players is worth resigning with the exception of the Monster depending on what he shows this year.

But what is sadder the players the Leafs have committed money too aren't any better then the ones they're not committed to.

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