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[QUOTE=mayday!!!!]While I think Noronen for Miller is a perfect fit for both teams, I could almost see both players being part of a bigger deal.
I've been thinking something like:
To LA-- Noronen, Satan, Kotalik and 2nd
To Buf-- Miller, Brown, Huet and a 1st
For LA-- Noronen gives them a young starter/duty sharer who may blossom by being given a fair shot. Miro and Stumpey are friends and Miro has always wanted to play with a fellow Slovak or two, so he'd be happy and could bolser LA's scoring [especially since Allison will be lost and who knows the future of Deadmarsh]. Kotalik can play either side for LA and would give them depth [I can't see buf giving up on Pyatt, so Kotalik is the odd man out as a top 3 line winger]. The second helps offset the loss of the first.
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Don't expect LA to give up anything of substance for Satan. Satan is a winger that could definitely use. But, he is also an UFA next summer, and there probably won't be much of a regular season. So, at best, LA would be renting Satan for a relatively small number of games.
I also agree with DanielBriere48 that some Buffalo dmen are getting underrated in this thread (although I also agree wtih those King fans who think Aaron Miller is a fairly strong dman).
Kalinin and McKee are better.So Miller is a 3 at best.If Zhitnik re-signs,Miller becomes a #4.I would rather keep Noronen and save the pick then to trade for a d-man who makes more then what he is worth.
Wow. You've got to be kidding me. Miller is a punishing warrior who will make forwards pay in front of the net and is a team leader. No team in the NHL can't use him right now. I would say MAYBE I'd value Zhitnik over Miller, but only because Zhitnik can move the puck and run a power play (and Miller has no business being on one in the first place). Kalinin MIGHT end up better than all three of these guys because he can do so many things well, but I don't think he's going to be the best on the team at any one thing, and he's still too young to lead. McKee is easier to compare: he's like a younger, less experienced, slightly less punishing, but slightly faster Miller. I'll take the experience that Miller has over the youth for now. I'd say the argument is whether or not Miller would be the #1 or #2, not #3 or #4.
Incidentally, I'd agree with your Noronen for Miller and a 4th idea.
Of course, this is a Kings' fan arguing with a Sabres' fan (i.e., severe bias one way vs. severe bias the other way). Fans from other teams who have seen both teams play would be better judges.
ths idea is simply that buffalo moves an asset that isn't really doing them any good, and aquires an asset that can do them some good down the road. yes this draft is weak, and if it were last year it would be different, yeah yeah yeah, but #11 is still a decent pick. there will be a number of good prospects available at 11th. alternatively, buffalo could take next year's first rounder if they wanted instead, although as a kings fan i hope that its lower than 11th.
the kings do it because they want to draft a goalie anyway, why not just get a goalie prospect that has already developed well to this point?
ths idea is simply that buffalo moves an asset that isn't really doing them any good, and aquires an asset that can do them some good down the road. yes this draft is weak, and if it were last year it would be different, yeah yeah yeah, but #11 is still a decent pick. there will be a number of good prospects available at 11th. alternatively, buffalo could take next year's first rounder if they wanted instead, although as a kings fan i hope that its lower than 11th.
the kings do it because they want to draft a goalie anyway, why not just get a goalie prospect that has already developed well to this point?
I would easily do that.I would accept a high 2nd but a high 1st?Done and Done.
really? because my first thought was noronen + buf 2nd for la 1st, but then i thought that i was asking way too much. would you still do:
to la - noronen, 3rd
to buf - 1st
or alternatively, noronen + a few mid-range prospects or long-term develoment projects?
That's still too much to give up. I don't understand the fascination that a lot of Kings fans have with Noronen. Think about it. If he were so great, he would have pushed Biron out by now. It's not as though Biron is a top ten goaltender.
My economics teacher at school is friends with Aaron, and plays hockey with Aaron's brother. We talk hockey all the time, and sometimes he tells me about stuff he hears from Aaron's brother. I brought up the possibility of Miller getting traded here around the time of the LA game (February). Apparently, Aaron would rather not play here, because he doesn't want the "local boy" attention and have to deal with everyone bugging him and his family for tickets. He wants to come back here when he retires, but I guess he likes it out west.
Maybe Noronen,2nd for #11 is somewhat fair.It's still crazy that you wanted to give up that much for Noronen.He is a nice backup who could start but #11 is too steep!
Actually,Buffaloed said that Satan will not be a UFA next season, so unless the CBA changes,Satan will be a RFA not a UFA.
Satan was born Oct 22, 1974. So, I think that makes sense. Of course, at best, LA is still only getting him for a bit more than a year (assuming the CBA does not change, which is unlikely).
Why would the Kings trade their first round pick when they could draft a goaltender who could be equally as good, if not, better than Noronen?
Makes absolutely no friggin' sense, especially when you consider what Kiprusoff, Hedberg, Cechmanek were all dealt for... 2nd rounders.
Of course it is in typical Kings fan fashion to trade away high draft picks. Take a look at the teams history of trading them away... repeat history and you are destined to fail.
Why do the Buffalo Sabres want to play chincy trade politics?
Noronen could garner a 2nd - flat out - if they want to wait for it. I'm sure several teams out there would bite the bullet and go for it. Edmonton badly needs a goaltender and has two first round picks. Maybe they'd move a 2nd pick for him.
Why would the Kings trade their first round pick when they could draft a goaltender who could be equally as good, if not, better than Noronen?
Makes absolutely no friggin' sense, especially when you consider what Kiprusoff, Hedberg, Cechmanek were all dealt for... 2nd rounders.
Of course it is in typical Kings fan fashion to trade away high draft picks. Take a look at the teams history of trading them away... repeat history and you are destined to fail.
Keep the pick.
I don't think a first is reasonable, but it is worth keeping in mind that Noronen is ready to play now, and a player the Kings draft this summer will be several years away. Also, Noronen is younger, cheaper, and has more potential than Cechmanek and Hedberg, and should return more in deal.
I don't think a first is reasonable, but it is worth keeping in mind that Noronen is ready to play now, and a player the Kings draft this summer will be several years away. Also, Noronen is younger, cheaper, and has more potential than Cechmanek and Hedberg, and should return more in deal.
That is just the problem... potential. Noronen hasn't proven to be a #1 guy yet (and it is because he hasn't put out a stretch of games to keep himself in). He is still young but still unproven, and I'd rather take my chances keeping that first overall pick and draft a Schwarz or Montoya.
Look at Marc Denis, another great young goalie (when he was traded) who was dealt for a 2nd round pick. He was unproven as well, and has been quite solid for the BJ's (his Sv% is respectable for that team he plays behind). Noronen is not worth a first round pick and is not worth the risk.
That is just the problem... potential. Noronen hasn't proven to be a #1 guy yet (and it is because he hasn't put out a stretch of games to keep himself in). He is still young but still unproven, and I'd rather take my chances keeping that first overall pick and draft a Schwarz or Montoya.
Look at Marc Denis, another great young goalie (when he was traded) who was dealt for a 2nd round pick. He was unproven as well, and has been quite solid for the BJ's (his Sv% is respectable for that team he plays behind). Noronen is not worth a first round pick and is not worth the risk.
I understand your point and think it is reasonable.
Personally, if any teams gets Noronen for a 2nd rounder, I think they'll get a bargin. I think that all three goaltenders in Buffalo's system are going to work out quite well.
I understand your point and think it is reasonable.
Personally, if any teams gets Noronen for a 2nd rounder, I think they'll get a bargin. I think that all three goaltenders in Buffalo's system are going to work out quite well.
Is this in Buffalo? After Ruff is fired? Or do they have to be traded to another team to be successful?
Is this in Buffalo? After Ruff is fired? Or do they have to be traded to another team to be successful?
I don't know. I guess I've been impressed with all three of these netminders, in different ways. I could be wrong, but I think they'll all do OK eventually.
I don't know. I guess I've been impressed with all three of these netminders, in different ways. I could be wrong, but I think they'll all do OK eventually.
That's the way that I always felt about Jamie Storr .....And the moral of that story is that if a goaltender is good enough he will TAKE the number one spot.
That's the way that I always felt about Jamie Storr .....And the moral of that story is that if a goaltender is good enough he will TAKE the number one spot.
Point taken.
And, btw, I predicted Jamie Storr would be a soild # 1 netminder in time. Guess I was wrong about that one, eh?
.....And the moral of that story is that if a goaltender is good enough he will TAKE the number one spot.
