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Suppose Tomas Kaberle was fed up with the Leafs...

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10-22-2009, 11:58 AM
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I tend to include to much in those kind of deals...

To Toronto: Redden, Grachev, Anisimov and 1st -10

To New York: Kaberle, Kadri, Stefanovich and Stajan
WOW... if I was a Rags fan, I'd be all over this one !!! Redden is garbage and eating up all kinds of cap space for the next 5 years, Kadri is a top 10 pick, Kaberle is a stud on a very cheap contract. Burkie isn't gonna trade all of that for 2 Russians, a declining d-men in Redden and a mid level pick.

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10-22-2009, 12:12 PM
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Kaberle i expect will finish his current contract in Toronto then look for a combination of good pay and an opportunity to win. Its one thing to enjoy playing for a team(which he does) but when the sun starts to set on your career and your current team is hopelessly spinning its wheels you have to give yourself at least an opportunity to win a cup.
Who knows, maybe that desire kicks in before deadline day this season.

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10-22-2009, 12:27 PM
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washington-nylander, 1st 10, 1st 11, 2nd 10

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im terrible with these trade ideas but i think its pretty fair

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10-22-2009, 12:28 PM
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Just so everyone knows, Kaberle is only 31. He's not over the hill or regressing in any way. He's just played on crap teams these last couple of years. With Kaberle's style of play, I could see him playing at least til he is 40. So that's another 9 years at least IMO.

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Rangers do that deal for sure... Get rid of redden and get Kaberle and Kadri? Yes please.

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I tend to include to much in those kind of deals...

To Toronto: Redden, Grachev, Anisimov and 1st -10

To New York: Kaberle, Kadri, Stefanovich and Stajan
Are you insane?

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WOW... if I was a Rags fan, I'd be all over this one !!! Redden is garbage and eating up all kinds of cap space for the next 5 years, Kadri is a top 10 pick, Kaberle is a stud on a very cheap contract. Burkie isn't gonna trade all of that for 2 Russians, a declining d-men in Redden and a mid level pick.
Not Burkie, but I would.

A line of Kulemin - Anisimov - Grachev would be awesome in a few years.
Redden is underrated but overpayed, of that makes sense? I would not mind having him with the Leafs for the length of that contract.
Basically the deal is Kaberle for Redden and Grachev.
Anisimov for Kadri.
Rangers 1st for Stajan and Stefanovich.

But I guess I over pay a little. Then leave Kadri out of it and make it.

Kaberle for Redden, Grachev and 1st.
Anisimov for Stajan and Stefanovich

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Just wanted to say kudos for all that are participating. Things are running smoothly.

I wonder if San Jose would be interested and if Clowe and Couture would be too much to ask? I could see Kabs waiving his NTC to go to a contender and I think SJ could really use his puck moving skills.

Yes they have Blake, Boyle and Vlasic, but Blake will probably retire soon and Vlasic doesn't have the offense. Just a thought.
I'm not sure how much value Clowe has right about now. He's expensive and not producing.

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Just wanted to say kudos for all that are participating. Things are running smoothly.

I wonder if San Jose would be interested and if Clowe and Couture would be too much to ask? I could see Kabs waiving his NTC to go to a contender and I think SJ could really use his puck moving skills.

Yes they have Blake, Boyle and Vlasic, but Blake will probably retire soon and Vlasic doesn't have the offense. Just a thought.
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I'm not sure how much value Clowe has right about now. He's expensive and not producing.
In your opinion could Toronto do better?

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I would not take Redden and give up Kaberle and Kadri...

Kaberle is a good defenseman, this year more so then last. He is on a good contract, he's got 4 points in 7 games, keep in mind he has nothing to work with forward wise right now, once Kessel comes his break away passes might turn into points for him.

If you want to dump a bad asset on us, be prepared to give up even more.

I honestly would love something along the lines of Kaberle, Stempniak for Filatov and Modin.

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10-22-2009, 01:15 PM
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Not that our teams would ever trade, but:

Nick Foligno, Brian Lee, 1st '10 and probably Chris Kelly for salary reasons
Brutal overpayment... Lee alone could be better than Kaberle within 2 years and Foligno could be a 25-30 goal scorer in 2 yrs. Burke really doesn't have a lot of leverage to command that sort of return given his team's performance.

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Philly wouldn't give Hartnell for Kaberle straight up.
riiiight..but they would give up carter+1st for him

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10-22-2009, 01:23 PM
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No way Toronto can give up Kaberle now, not w/o their 1st doesn't make sense. They would go 0-81-1...not that they might not already but w/o Kaberle they would be playing a lot worse...PP, moving the puck (quickly), etc..nightmare.

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Kaberle

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WASH 1st and 2nd in 2010

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riiiight..but they would give up carter+1st for him
Oh I'm sorry, is it 2007?

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Kaberle isn't getting dealt. Anybody looking at Toronto's blueline should be able to realize that they don't have the puck moving ability to replace him. I don't really care what fair value is, they aren't going to ship out their best defenceman in a year where they don't have a first round pick.

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Burke will absolutely be looking for a first round pick in '10 to make up the one loss in the Kessel deal. Plain and simple.

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Kaberle isn't getting dealt. Anybody looking at Toronto's blueline should be able to realize that they don't have the puck moving ability to replace him. I don't really care what fair value is, they aren't going to ship out their best defenceman in a year where they don't have a first round pick.
But what if they get a 1st back in the deal?

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Burke will absolutely be looking for a first round pick in '10 to make up the one loss in the Kessel deal. Plain and simple.
If so, it'll be in the off-season. Not right now.

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Burke will absolutely be looking for a first round pick in '10 to make up the one loss in the Kessel deal. Plain and simple.
But if they unload Kaberle, they're a worse team and their first rounder gets even better.

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But what if they get a 1st back in the deal?
What good does that do? So we get a prospect that we have to wait a few years for (assuming it isn't a high first). Why is that so attractive? If Kaberle goes anywhere (which I absolutely don't want to see happen) I'd much rather see NHL ready talent coming back, especially since we don't have the luxury of tanking for multiple seasons.

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im all for them unloading kaberle and getting a first round pick for him. anything that makes toronto worse and less disappointed in being worse at the same time is ok in my book. boston wants Taylor Hall

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Just wanted to say kudos for all that are participating. Things are running smoothly.

I wonder if San Jose would be interested and if Clowe and Couture would be too much to ask? I could see Kabs waiving his NTC to go to a contender and I think SJ could really use his puck moving skills.

Yes they have Blake, Boyle and Vlasic, but Blake will probably retire soon and Vlasic doesn't have the offense. Just a thought.
If we're talking off-season, the Sharks would be interested in that deal if Pavelski is given a long-term deal and the Leafs would be willing to take Kent Huskins with Clowe and Couture and maybe throw a cheap forward or blue liner back to us.

If we're talking now, I wouldn't want to part with Logan Couture until things are certain with Pavelski because Couture is the insurance policy in case his demands are too high.

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What good does that do? So we get a prospect that we have to wait a few years for (assuming it isn't a high first). Why is that so attractive? If Kaberle goes anywhere (which I absolutely don't want to see happen) I'd much rather see NHL ready talent coming back, especially since we don't have the luxury of tanking for multiple seasons.
Oh I agree. You just seemed be concerned with the 1st round pick. Like I suggested earlier, do a deal with a team like SJ for a player who can play now and in the future, Clowe (he just happens to be off to a slow start) and a top rated prospect (Couture)

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