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10-26-2009, 12:50 AM
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Beyond Lundqvist and Valiquette...

Thinking about the Rangers' lack of depth in goal, who do you guys think is the third-best goalie in the system? I honestly have no idea, between Johnson, Zaba and Wiikman, they all have something going for them, but none of them look like they could really step up to the NHL if needed for an emergency situation.

Johnson is the player who most recently has looked the best, but that was in preseason with the Rangers and it seems his play has dropped off in Hartford.

Zaba took over the No.1 job in Hartford last year, but from what little I've seen, he hasn't shown me he is ready to take the next step.

It seems like decades ago, but Wiikman was awesome in the SM-Liiga playoffs, when he led HPK to the title in 2006 (after taking over for Karri Rämö). He was also the guy who made Montoya expendable, but he's done precious little since.

So who, if any of the three, is ready to push for an NHL job?

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10-26-2009, 12:53 AM
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Honestly, isn't it a little too early to worry about that? Lundqvist is only 27. Look at Brodeur, he's 37 and still top3 in the league. Drafting a goalie could probably be a priority 8-9 years from now.

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This thread is .....mmmm

Messier will be the GM the next time the Rangers have to seriously spend a high pick on a tender...

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Honestly, isn't it a little too early to worry about that? Lundqvist is only 27. Look at Brodeur, he's 37 and still top3 in the league. Drafting a goalie could probably be a priority 8-9 years from now.
Not at all. I'm not looking for the next starter, but if Henke goes down for a stretch of games (God forbid), who do the Rangers call up to spell Valiquette? That's what I'm wondering.

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I thought Johnson looked great...real smooth and great positioning. Cant believe Pitt gave him up for a 5th rd pick!

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Not at all. I'm not looking for the next starter, but if Henke goes down for a stretch of games (God forbid), who do the Rangers call up to spell Valiquette? That's what I'm wondering.
Johnson would be my pick. His numbers aren't great in Hart, but neither has anyone else there. The team hasn't played well.

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I see no one here actually watches Wolf Pack games...

Zaba and Johnson get lit up on a regular basis, no big saves, at least on softy per game.

Here is your answer: Miika Wiikman.

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Miika Wiikman, easily. The guy has an injury-plagued and slightly disappointing year last year, and now everyone seems to have given up on him. He's easily the most talented goaltender in the system. I really don't think it's even that close.

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Sather seems to be pretty high on Johnson (as per Micheletti during a pre season game). I thought he had a great pre season from my observation, big goalie who uses his size and absorbs the puck rather than kicking out rebounds.

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i'll worry about it in 10 years.

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I liked Johnson in the preseason, but I haven't been following him at hartford...

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I see no one here actually watches Wolf Pack games...

Zaba and Johnson get lit up on a regular basis, no big saves, at least on softy per game.

Here is your answer: Miika Wiikman.
Let's be honest: first off, Johnson is just starting his professional career--he hasn't even started 10 games yet. Zaba did look horrible (even in pre-season), but hey, it's not like he was the only one to blame--the whole team had been playing poorly. And now he's out with a concussion.

Wiikman would be the logical choice to get called up and fortunately, he's played pretty good by all accounts in his (what is it?) 3 starts. But, none of them are long term solutions, especially given the fact that Valliquette has never started more than 15 games in a whole season and can be very inconsistant from start to start. He's been a backup his whole career and there is nothing to suggest he would be able to start a whole lot of games and play effectively. If Lundqvist is hurt for any length of time, Sather and Co would have a very difficult decision to make.

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i'll worry about it in 10 years.
Ha, tell me you weren't worrying about it when Lundqvist was curled up on the ice in Montreal?

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Ha, tell me you weren't worrying about it when Lundqvist was curled up on the ice in Montreal?
you mean besides my rangers-life flashing before my eyes?

naw i wasnt worried at all.

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you mean besides my rangers-life flashing before my eyes?

naw i wasnt worried at all.
I suspect that's what most of us were thinking.

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Johnson will be the backup in 2 years imo.

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I thought Johnson looked great...real smooth and great positioning. Cant believe Pitt gave him up for a 5th rd pick!
this

except I thought it was a 3rd.




Zaba isn't bad either; I could see him being a backup in the league eventually. A bit of a late bloomer just like Vali even.

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A) Henrik isnt going anywhere

B) If he went down for the season, nobody could come in a replace him so having a 3rd goalie wont matter much. Its impossible to replace the players that are genuinely elite.

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A) Henrik isnt going anywhere

B) If he went down for the season, nobody could come in a replace him so having a 3rd goalie wont matter much. Its impossible to replace the players that are genuinely elite.
I don't think anyone is considering Johnson, Wiikman or Zaba as a replacement for Lundqvist. The question at hand is who's our #3 goaltender?

If Henrik went down for the season, it's not a matter of who could replace his immense talent. It's a matter of who splits starts with Vally (who by no means is capable of being a starter) to give us the best chance of winning.

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I don't think anyone is considering Johnson, Wiikman or Zaba as a replacement for Lundqvist. The question at hand is who's our #3 goaltender?

If Henrik went down for the season, it's not a matter of who could replace his immense talent. It's a matter of who splits starts with Vally (who by no means is capable of being a starter) to give us the best chance of winning.
There are a lot of veteran goalies on the FA market unsigned (Curtis Joseph comes to mind, and I don't think Manny Legace re-signed anywhere either... and is currently int he AHL) I also think Zaba or Wiikman could be serviceable.

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It's unfortunate because the Rangers have tried to fill this lack of depth through the draft and missed twice with Montoya and Lafleur. They may have an answer for a year or two down the road in Chad Johnson...and Wiikman and Zaba are good depth goalies in terms of AHL goalies; at least Zaba was last year, not sure what his problem is this year.

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I still like Ochocinco

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Ha, tell me you weren't worrying about it when Lundqvist was curled up on the ice in Montreal?
exactly...

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I don't think anyone is considering Johnson, Wiikman or Zaba as a replacement for Lundqvist. The question at hand is who's our #3 goaltender?

If Henrik went down for the season, it's not a matter of who could replace his immense talent. It's a matter of who splits starts with Vally (who by no means is capable of being a starter) to give us the best chance of winning.
If Lundqvist went down for the season, I'm sure that Sather would pick up another goalie. Valliquette is not capable of being a number 1 goalie for any length of time. In any case, Dolan has become addicted to getting into the playoffs (makes it much easier to raise ticket prices).

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Let's not jinx it. If Lundqvist goes down, nobody can replace him.

Vally/Zaba/Wiki/Ocho won't be able to truly replace Lundqvist. Luongo would, but I would bet he's probably not willing to play in Hartford until Lundqvist gets injured.

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