HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Arizona Coyotes
Notices

Coyotes @ Blues (10/29/09)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-29-2009, 03:37 PM
  #26
indczn
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,439
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoPhan View Post
In addition to taking too many penalties (which is a big deal even if they aren't deserved), one of Upshall's bigger drawbacks is that he tries to do too much on his own sometimes. It often looks like (and sometimes even is) simple hard work, but he doesn't use his linemates as well as he should.
This is what I'm going for. The result is my complaints.

indczn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 03:38 PM
  #27
knowsthegame
Registered User
 
knowsthegame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tale of 2 NHL cities
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
We simply can't afford needless penalties, or retailiation penalties. Tippet is sending Upshall a message now (early in the season) that he will not tolerate undisciplined play on his team. Upshall's hustle is expected and is the reason he is on this team.
Upshall needs to put the team first- -that's the message.

knowsthegame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 03:44 PM
  #28
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Too bad that message has to be sent against one of the teams we'll have to battle for that last playoff spot.

rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 03:53 PM
  #29
XX
... Waiting
 
XX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: 48th State
Country: United States
Posts: 27,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Too bad that message has to be sent against one of the teams we'll have to battle for that last playoff spot.
Korpikoski will slide in just fine. I'm more concerned with the useless carcass known as Biznasty. I believe the Columbus game was the first game we've won with him in the lineup, although we technically 'won' the Sharks shootout game. Just doesn't bring a whole lot to the table. At least he's not getting a lot of ice time.

XX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 03:53 PM
  #30
knowsthegame
Registered User
 
knowsthegame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tale of 2 NHL cities
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Too bad that message has to be sent against one of the teams we'll have to battle for that last playoff spot.
I understand your point but the overall benefit to the team should be worth having Upshall sit for 1 game - we'll win anyway.
I have a feeling Mueller will break out tonight.

knowsthegame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 03:59 PM
  #31
XX
... Waiting
 
XX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: 48th State
Country: United States
Posts: 27,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowsthegame View Post
I have a feeling Mueller will break out tonight.
I hope so. He's having a historic start to the season, and not in a good way. He's seriously on pace for 15 or so points, despite playing with line mates who are doing just fine. It's really all strange. He hasn't been totally useless but the confidence is just not there. He absolutely refuses to shoot the puck unless forced (see Wing game)

XX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:03 PM
  #32
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierX View Post
Korpikoski will slide in just fine...
Korpikoski should've been sliding in there, anyway. Pyatt doesn't work on that line. So who do you put there? Winnik? Upshall is a top six forward. Korpikoski, Pyatt, and Winnik are not. We'll now likely have Lombardi skating with two bottom six wingers. That's a waste of Lombardi, and too much ice-time for the wrong guys.

I trust Tippett to send the messages he needs to send how he needs to send them. It's just tough timing, is all. If Porter were up here, I'd be fine with it.

Quote:
...Biznasty...At least he's not getting a lot of ice time...
He's not supposed to.

rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:10 PM
  #33
XX
... Waiting
 
XX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: 48th State
Country: United States
Posts: 27,159
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Korpikoski should've been sliding in there, anyway. Pyatt doesn't work on that line. So who do you put there? Winnik? Upshall is a top six forward. Korpikoski, Pyatt, and Winnik are not. We'll now likely have Lombardi skating with two bottom six wingers. That's a waste of Lombardi, and too much ice-time for the wrong guys.
Pretty sure Winnik has outplayed many of the guys on the roster. Korpikoski may not be flashy but he doesn't blow his assignments and isn't completely ****ing useless like Pyatt. I shake my fist at the screen when that oaf is meandering around the boards. Right about now, according to Canuck fans, he will have a monster game, just as we are about to get fed up with him.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
He's not supposed to.
Oh I know. I'm just saying, he's not even doing his job. He did jack all in the opener. He had every opportunity to grab Boll or Dorsett, or throw hits. Something. Just a lot of patty-cake. I'd much rather have a true grinder in his spot. I just hate double-shifting guys and messing up rolling 4 solid lines.

XX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:14 PM
  #34
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierX View Post
Pretty sure Winnik has outplayed many of the guys on the roster. Korpikoski may not be flashy but he doesn't blow his assignments and isn't completely ****ing useless like Pyatt. I shake my fist at the screen when that oaf is meandering around the boards. Right about now, according to Canuck fans, he will have a monster game, just as we are about to get fed up with him.
I thought Pyatt looked pretty good as soon as he started taking shifts with Fiddler and Winnik, rather than Upshall and Lombardi. He just can't keep up. Neither could Mueller. Korpikoski certainly can. I wish we were seeing...

Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Korpikoski
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Pyatt-Fiddler-Winnik


Quote:
Oh I know. I'm just saying, he's not even doing his job. He did jack all in the opener. He had every opportunity to grab Boll or Dorsett, or throw hits. Something. Just a lot of patty-cake. I'd much rather have a true grinder in his spot. I just hate double-shifting guys and messing up rolling 4 solid lines.
He threw a lot of hits in the opener. I couldn't tell if he challenged anyone, or not. He always throws a lot of hits. He's not afraid to fight. He's been in like sixty fights in the last two years. He's about as active a fighter as you could hope for. You have to remember he's a rookie on a new team. He's scared to make a mistake. He's got to get a feel for timing.

rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:14 PM
  #35
knowsthegame
Registered User
 
knowsthegame's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tale of 2 NHL cities
Posts: 864
vCash: 500
Korpikoski and Pyatt could be replaced by Porter and Boedker if they don't show more soon and this would only be an upgrade to the team.

knowsthegame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:18 PM
  #36
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowsthegame View Post
Korpikoski and Pyatt could be replaced by Porter and Boedker if they don't show more soon and this would only be an upgrade to the team.
Pyatt's on a one-way deal. Korpikoski could be sent down, though. At least in the case of Korpikoski and Porter it could make some sense. Porter is actually a few months older. Korpikoski has more experience, though. About a season's worth of NHL games to Porter's half season, and two seasons worth of AHL games to Porter's half season. Not to mention a year of Finnish Elite League. Still, both relatively young and relatively inexperienced. I don't think it would hurt to call Porter up, and let him and Korpikoski battle it out for the NHL paycheck.

rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:21 PM
  #37
mouser
Global Moderator
Business of Hockey
 
mouser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: South Mountain
Posts: 11,321
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Pyatt's on a one-way deal. Korpikoski could be sent down, though.
Korp would have to go through waivers if that matters.

mouser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:25 PM
  #38
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mouser View Post
Korp would have to go through waivers if that matters.
Ugh. Recently hit the games played mark?

rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 04:29 PM
  #39
Piokinen
Registered User
 
Piokinen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Country: Poland
Posts: 825
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Upshall-Lombardi-Korpikoski
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Pyatt-Fiddler-Winnik
these are some fine lines.
i see no need to demote korpedo or pyatt at this point to the ahl and bring up porter or boedker. boedker and porter are some fine players and of course they will become better in time, but their physical and 2 way play is beyond korpedos and pyatts at this stage. as long as both, pyatt and korpedo dont have major defensive lapses i am okay with their presences. pyatt really looked good yesterday. korpikoski its a meh from me.did not notice him for most part of any game. but when you are on a 4th line thats probably better if you are invisible than beeing highlighted by commiting mistakes or defensive lapses.

Piokinen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 05:06 PM
  #40
RR
Moderator
 
RR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Cave Creek, AZ
Country: United States
Posts: 8,034
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
So Korpikoski-Lombardi-????



Kevin Porter should be on flight to St. Louis.
Winnik moves up to the 3rd line and Biz takes Winnik's spot with Fiddler and Pyatt?

RR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 05:11 PM
  #41
rt
Usually Incorrect
 
rt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Rarely Sober
Country: United States
Posts: 41,459
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RR View Post
Winnik moves up to the 3rd line and Biz takes Winnik's spot with Fiddler and Pyatt?
That would probably be my preference. Well, not really. Things I would prefer...

1. Don't sit Upshall
2. Call up Porter for a game

Then, I suppose, move Winnik up the depth chart for a game

I suppose...

Doan-Hanzal-Mueller
Prucha-Lang-Vrbata
Korpikoski-Lombardi-Winnik
Bissonnette-Fiddler-Pyatt

...makes for a couple of halfway decent scoring lines, a pretty solid checking line, and a decent(when Bissonnette is on the ice) to very good(when someone else is double shifting) grind line.


Last edited by rt: 10-29-2009 at 05:24 PM.
rt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 06:55 PM
  #42
ower
Registered User
 
ower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: SEA by way of Tempe
Country: United States
Posts: 823
vCash: 966
I"d be interested in seeing what LaBarbera could do with B2B starts.

ower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:08 PM
  #43
Piokinen
Registered User
 
Piokinen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Country: Poland
Posts: 825
vCash: 500
wow Brewer ist back

Piokinen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:14 PM
  #44
mouser
Global Moderator
Business of Hockey
 
mouser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: South Mountain
Posts: 11,321
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by rt View Post
Ugh. Recently hit the games played mark?
Nah, he only had 3 years of waiver exemptions and his first season was 2006-2007. Probably one of the contributing reasons the Rags traded him.

mouser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:14 PM
  #45
zz
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,661
vCash: 500
Bryzgalov looks pretty good so far.

zz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:14 PM
  #46
DouX
Keeping Arizona Icy
 
DouX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tempe
Country: United States
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
Bad penalty by Pyatt, but we couldn't clear our zone.

DouX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:16 PM
  #47
zz
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,661
vCash: 500
I'm liking the Winnik / Pyatt / Fiddler line.

zz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:16 PM
  #48
ower
Registered User
 
ower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: SEA by way of Tempe
Country: United States
Posts: 823
vCash: 966
ugh, sometimes I swear it's like they're afraid to shoot. Always seems one pass too many.

ower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:16 PM
  #49
icedscorpion021
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 92
vCash: 500
Someone (winnik or pyatt) has to shoot that puck on that 3 on 2... and our old broadcaster Pang agrees.

icedscorpion021 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-29-2009, 07:16 PM
  #50
DouX
Keeping Arizona Icy
 
DouX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tempe
Country: United States
Posts: 1,489
vCash: 500
Why didn't Winnik try and kill that puck? Cmon that was an awesome scoring area.

DouX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:12 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.