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04-11-2004, 01:08 AM
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Ryder for Calder ? - Finally shredding the pro-Raycroft bias.

Raycroft is good, yet over-rated. That's right - over-rated. He is told to be a lock for rookie of the year, and under different circumstances - with his stats - he would be. However you forget 2 things:

1- The 2003-2004 Bruins allow much less high-quality shots than most other teams (i.e. Out of 30 shots, 27 were from 30 feet away).

2- His save % is boosted because of Boston's unique shot-counting methods. (i.e. Out of 38 shots, 30 were real, and 27 were from 30 feet away).

In a time where goalies dominate the NHL (for various reasons) and the 30-goal scorer has become an endangered species, I believe people are over-rating Andrew Raycroft's exploits at the expense of Michael Ryder. This is not to say that Ryder is much better than Raycroft, only that they are much closer than many would think.

This, IMO, is why Michael Ryder has a decent chance of winning the Calder.

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IMO Raycroft could contend for the Vezina... nevermind the calder

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IMO Raycroft could contend for the Vezina... nevermind the calder
The Vezina is beyond his reach.

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The Vezina is beyond his reach.
... which is why I say "contend"

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Even Vezina contention is beyond his reach, IMO.

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5 posts by 2 posters with the same avator.......

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5 posts by 2 posters with the same avator.......
You should add an "i"... it would read "5 posts by 2 posters with the same aviator"

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You should add an "i"... it would read "5 posts by 2 posters with the same aviator"
Thanks for telling, I was not aware of the actual spelling of "aviator". You get my point though

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Thanks for telling, I was not aware of the actual spelling of "aviator". You get my point though
I'm drunk at 2:30 AM after spending an entire evening in a strip club... do you really think I could have thought of an intelligent reply?

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You just knew a B's fan had to show up sooner or later...

My Question however is this: Did this Ryder fellow actually accompany the other Habs to Boston?

on that note:
Razor is a sure win for the Calder, if not him; Bergeron (i'll admit; i might be a bit bias on that one, but man is he amazing, his numbers are just down 'cuz he was IR)...

Vezina..nope, not this year but in his future: absolutely

Good luck Saturday

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You just knew a B's fan had to show up sooner or later...

My Question however is this: Did this Ryder fellow actually accompany the other Habs to Boston?

on that note:
Razor is a sure win for the Calder, if not him; Bergeron (i'll admit; i might be a bit bias on that one, but man is he amazing, his numbers are just down 'cuz he was IR)...

Vezina..nope, not this year but in his future: absolutely

Good luck Saturday

Excuse me if I don't acknowledge your post, but I was just wondering how the hell did you come up with your handle?

Did you have a friend who attempted to play hockey with a cluster of grapes? is there a shortage of pucks in Massachusets?

Please explain.



On a friendlier note, the Boston-Montreal series should get more exciting, and I'm not just talking about this year, but I mean in the near future as well. Both have solid talent moving in.... in Boston's case, most of the talent has already made a home for themselves in Beantown, but it should be exciting seeing playoff action involving Ryder, Raycroft, Thornton, Higgins, Kostitsyn, Boynton, Bergeron, Perezhogin, Komisarek, Samsonov, Hainsey, etc. etc.






Lafleur wants you to still explain your handle. He's a very persistent man (as Boston fans in the '70's and '80's would surely know)

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I'm drunk at 2:30 AM after spending an entire evening in a strip club... do you really think I could have thought of an intelligent reply?
I actually took your correction seriously I hope you are feeling better by tommorrow man

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Raycroft is good, yet over-rated. That's right - over-rated. He is told to be a lock for rookie of the year, and under different circumstances - with his stats - he would be. However you forget 2 things:

1- The 2003-2004 Bruins allow much less high-quality shots than most other teams (i.e. Out of 30 shots, 27 were from 30 feet away).

2- His save % is boosted because of Boston's unique shot-counting methods. (i.e. Out of 38 shots, 30 were real, and 27 were from 30 feet away).

In a time where goalies dominate the NHL (for various reasons) and the 30-goal scorer has become an endangered species, I believe people are over-rating Andrew Raycroft's exploits at the expense of Michael Ryder. This is not to say that Ryder is much better than Raycroft, only that they are much closer than many would think.

This, IMO, is why Michael Ryder has a decent chance of winning the Calder.
You're saying that Raycroft is successful because the Bruins D doesn't allow quality offencive chances?

I think that you're looking at this wrong and letting what you've seen in this playoff series influence your thinking too much. It is true that the Bruins D have been very good at shutting down the habs forwards and not allowing them too many quality chances. However that does not mean that the Bruins have been able to do that game in and game out this season. There have been plenty of games this season that Raycroft has stolen with unbelievable saves.

Regardless, a part of any successful goalies season is a competent defensive corps. And weither a shot comed from 30 feet out or 3, you still need to make the save and Raycroft stops them all.

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I'm drunk at 2:30 AM after spending an entire evening in a strip club...

Pardon my bluntless, but were you by any chance one of the strippers?









Lafleur could have had any stripper he wanted.

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Pardon my bluntless, but were you by any chance one of the strippers?









Lafleur could have had any stripper he wanted.

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The Forecaster takes Ryder over Raycroft too, for exactly the reason that 'loverofdeadsex' () posted above: "...scoring is at a premium these days"
link:http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com...espec=20040406

p.s. electric, you know that strip clubs are bad for our team 'aura' heading into tommorow's big game. We must adapt and do what Bruins fans do: stay home all day staring at porn on the computers in their parents' basements while writing love letters to their cousins who, incidentally, feature on many of the very porn sites they peruse!


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On a friendlier note, the Boston-Montreal series should get more exciting, and I'm not just talking about this year, but I mean in the near future as well. Both have solid talent moving in.... in Boston's case, most of the talent has already made a home for themselves in Beantown, but it should be exciting seeing playoff action involving Ryder, Raycroft, Thornton, Higgins, Kostitsyn, Boynton, Bergeron, Perezhogin, Komisarek, Samsonov, Hainsey, etc. etc.
Absolutely, but don't forget, we have some nice kids on the farm in Providence :Boyes, Kutlak, Jurcina and ofcourse Toivonen (another great goalie in the making)

besides, i don't think of the current teams our talents are that much apart, the B's just seem to mesh better this time,.. hey, who know what can happen in the next few games.

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Lafleur wants you to still explain your handle. He's a very persistent man (as Boston fans in the '70's and '80's would surely know)
Who's Lafleur?

Trust me, there is no good explanation to my handle, the "grapes" is just a personal obsession and the rest was tacked on, 'cuz i wanted to make it sound more hockey'ish.. i was probably drunk .. it's bumb and i'll admit it, but i am keeping it.

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p.s. electric, you know that strip clubs are bad for our team 'aura' heading into tommorow's big game. We must adapt and do what Bruins fans do: stay home all day staring at porn on the computers in their parents' basements while writing love letters to their cousins who, incidentally, feature on many of the very porn sites they peruse!
i should kick you,.. but that was funny

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Trust me, there is no good explanation to my handle, the "grapes" is just a personal obsession and the rest was tacked on, 'cuz i wanted to make it sound more hockey'ish.. i was probably drunk .. it's bumb and i'll admit it, but i am keeping it.

Lets just hope Necrophile didn't pick his name in the same manner.

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Trust me, there is no good explanation to my handle, the "grapes" is just a personal obsession and the rest was tacked on, 'cuz i wanted to make it sound more hockey'ish.. i was probably drunk .. it's bumb and i'll admit it, but i am keeping it.

Actually it's nice to see a little creativity on handles. At least your handle can't get booed, or traded away, or turn into a puck.

The point is that I think it's a good conversation-starting handle, better than most. (Except for 'loveofdeadsex', but I'll leave that one for a guy named 'chicpea' to explain).





Lafleur reminded me to tell you that he was one of the greatest Canadiens of all time. Now he went back to sleep.

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The point is that I think it's a good conversation-starting handle, better than most. (Except for 'loveofdeadsex', but I'll leave that one for a guy named 'chicpea' to explain).
Hehe, it's english for Cicero, the great Roman orator, and my eternal nemesis! As for loveofdeadsex, I will stand by Trudeau's axiom that the business of the bedroom is not the business of chicpea.

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The point is that I think it's a good conversation-starting handle, better than most. (Except for 'loveofdeadsex', but I'll leave that one for a guy named 'chicpea' to explain).
I thought 'chicpea' was a girl,.. wow did i misread some of his posts.. .. my apologies to Chicpea


tell lafleur i can name tons of better canadians (Thornton, Boynton, Lapointe, Bergeron, Raycroft,. you catch my drift)


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I thought 'chicpea' was a girl,.. wow did i misread some of his posts..


tell lafleur i can name tons of better canadians (Thornton, Boynton, Lapointe, Bergeron, Raycroft,. you catch my drift)
He's just in touch with his feminine side. Plus he sometimes wear panties, but don't tell him I said so....

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Aren't chicpea's those little round beans you munch on down in your bunker in case of nuclear attack?






Lafleur doesn't know who these players are. He doesn't even know who I am. He's been like this for a while already. Ever since I kidnapped him and locked him in my closet.

And I don't see how you can even attempt to throw Martin '5 million doallrs, only 25' Lapointe's name in along with the likes of Thornton, Boynton and the like.

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I actually keep all my beans and legumes wrapped up warmly in pantyhose in the event of nuclear catastrophe. And so I can find my pantyhosers when I need them.


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I thought 'chicpea' was a girl,.. wow did i misread some of his posts.. .. my apologies to Chicpea
Heh, no sweat. I was actually thinking of changing my nick to "KoivuROXX89!!" to avoid such discrepancies, but it wouldn't be worth losing my pathetically high post count.


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