With Filppula out for 2 months, how would Holland feel about Nylander?
With Filpulla and Franzen on LTIR, the Red Wings may lack secondary scoring. If Nylander could be acquired for nothing, do you believe Holland would be interested? Nylander currently has 5 assists in 4 games with Grand Rapids.
Of course Nylander would have to waive his NMC, but since he's already accepted being assigned to Grand Rapids, I imagine he would be happy to just play hockey.
I realize that goaltending and defence might be a bigger concern, but those upgrades may cost some assets whereas getting Nylander would be essentially free.
Nylander's cap hit is $4.875 M and he is due $5.5 M this year and $3.0 M next year.
With Filpulla and Franzen on LTIR, the Red Wings may lack secondary scoring. If Nylander could be acquired for nothing, do you believe Holland would be interested? Nylander currently has 5 assists in 4 games with Grand Rapids.
Of course Nylander would have to waive his NMC, but since he's already accepted being assigned to Grand Rapids, I imagine he would be happy to just play hockey.
I realize that goaltending and defence might be a bigger concern, but those upgrades may cost some assets whereas getting Nylander would be essentially free.
Nylander's cap hit is $4.875 M and he is due $5.5 M this year and $3.0 M next year.
Based on what mouser posted in one of the other threads with regards to how cap relief works with the LTIR, we do not have the cap space to acquire Nylander. Furthermore, his cap hit is too high for what he brings now and I would be more interested if we are making a move, in acquiring a winger as Babcock will undoubtedly split apart the Euro Twins.
If frolov goes on another short slump and gets benched he becomes a target at a cap hit of 2.9 million, but even that might cost more than we are willing to give up.
We should see how these next 3-4 games pan out and see if Datsyuk and Zetterberg can start carrying this team because if they can like they are suppose to, this season is not a throw away like some people are starting to think. I do hope we give Larsson a couple of games though as we can call up another player now.
Nylander sure is going to fix the team's terrible netminding.
This.
...the problems this season were actually supposed to be the offense, but that really isn't the case. The Wings have scored ten goals in the last two games, and have had several decent scoring outbursts at various times this season (five goals against Los Angeles a few weeks back, etc.).
It's the same story as last season; the defense, and more importantly, the goaltending, isn't getting the job done. And unless you plan on suiting up Nylander to play goal, I can't see what, if any, difference bringing him in would make, other than making the salary cap situation even worse than it already is.
Pretty sure Nylander would have to clear re-entry waivers to come back to the NHL so if we did get him it would most likely be for nothing at all and at half the cap hit.
Pretty sure Nylander would have to clear re-entry waivers to come back to the NHL so if we did get him it would most likely be for nothing at all and at half the cap hit.
No he was only in the AHL for a conditioning stint, so no re entry waivers.
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Nylander wouldn't be a bad option on re-entry waivers at this point. We do have 5.2M in LTIR cap space that could sustain itself for the remainder of the season, as its very possible Franzen and Lilja don't come back til the end of the season.
If Nylander went on re-entry waivers, and the Wings claimed him, he would only cost 1.95M in hard salary for this season, and 2.4M next season. In terms of this season, we could use him on the 2nd line if we wanted to keep the Eurotwins together, or we could use him as a winger alongside Zetterberg for 2 separate lines. His low cap hit would also leave additional space for another move at the deadline. In terms of next season, the Wings have 16M in cap space, and while some of that is all but "spoken for", theres room to make moves. The added incentive is that the UFA crop of forwards is fairly weak as it is.
On top of that, he has a NMC, and the rumor is that he would be able to reject a team that claimed him if he didn't want to go there, so that could allow the Wings to evade the waiver claim list.
Considering this is a transition year with our "youngsters" (Leino, Ericsson, and Howard) not looking too hot thus far, it really doesn't make sense for the Wings to be giving up prospects or picks for band-aids - especially when those picks are probably going to be the highest they've been in years. In essence, adding Nylander from the waiver wire is the most ideal move for the Wings as it stands.
Of course, he'd have to actually be on re-entry waivers first.
And that's not going to happen if Washington's going to be on the hook for half his salary -- which it will.
Maybe, maybe not. Theres a reason very few teams exercise the "bury X player in the minors to save cap space" option. And thats because $5M comes with a lot of zeros for a guy that you're paying to do jack squat for your NHL club. Hell, there are many teams who would prefer a guy on re-entry waivers to paying him $2M in the minors.
I'm not familiar with the Caps ownership, but very few NHL owners are stable enough to be fine with this kind of move long-term.
They can pay out his full salary but not have it count toward the cap, whereas if he came back up the half would count against the cap.
That's right, isn't it?
Besides, I'm sure a trade could still happen regardless if Holland really wanted it to (and Nylander was willing to waive the NMC).
That is right. But I dont think Holland would want Nylander if not on re-entry (or any GM for that matter). Personally, I think you'd see Nylander shipped for nothing better than a 4th rounder if a GM wanted him. He just has too many issues to justify the length and cost of his contract at full price.
If he stays in the minors, his full salary doesn't count against the team's cap. If he comes back through re-entry and is claimed, half of his salary is still counted against Washington's cap.
As far as I know, being waived doesn't mean a trade still can't happen.
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Originally Posted by detredWINgs
That is right. But I dont think Holland would want Nylander if not on re-entry (or any GM for that matter). Personally, I think you'd see Nylander shipped for nothing better than a 4th rounder if a GM wanted him. He just has too many issues to justify the length and cost of his contract at full price.
Right, which is why I'm saying that something would have to go back the other way, even with the LTIR cap relief. I mean, how do we know the "issues" aren't a product of the environment? Reclamation project for Holland?
If he stays in the minors, his full salary doesn't count against the team's cap. If he comes back through re-entry and is claimed, half of his salary is still counted against Washington's cap.
As far as I know, being waived doesn't mean a trade still can't happen.
Actually, I didn't realize that Nylander was on waivers until I browsed over to the FA forum.
Actually, I didn't realize that Nylander was on waivers until I browsed over to the FA forum.
Heh, okay... I thought you quoted me to tell me. Been following this Nylander story since he went down to Grand Rapids, thinking Holland might take a run at him if things went too downhill.
If he stays in the minors, his full salary doesn't count against the team's cap. If he comes back through re-entry and is claimed, half of his salary is still counted against Washington's cap.
As far as I know, being waived doesn't mean a trade still can't happen.
Right, which is why I'm saying that something would have to go back the other way, even with the LTIR cap relief. I mean, how do we know the "issues" aren't a product of the environment? Reclamation project for Holland?
Honestly, with the way the Caps are treating him, I wouldn't be surprised if Nylander's issues *are* a product of the environment. I'm not a big fan or Boudreau as it is, and he is more or less stuck on his run-and-gun system (which I don't entirely blame him for, considering his defensive talent versus his offensive talent). For an older finesse player like Nylander, I don't think that system is one in which he can be successful. One of the reasons the Wings have had such success with older (see: slower), finesse players in the past is because of their system, and I think puck-possession would be a much more conducive environment for a guy like Nylander.
But as far as sending something back, it would have to be meager. If there is any intrigue on the part of Holland, it would be because Nylander would be a low-risk acquisition that would cost him little. Thats the type of move that a Wings team in transition can afford. Anything else looks like too much of a risk right now.
Honestly, with the way the Caps are treating him, I wouldn't be surprised if Nylander's issues *are* a product of the environment. I'm not a big fan or Boudreau as it is, and he is more or less stuck on his run-and-gun system (which I don't entirely blame him for, considering his defensive talent versus his offensive talent). For an older finesse player like Nylander, I don't think that system is one in which he can be successful. One of the reasons the Wings have had such success with older (see: slower), finesse players in the past is because of their system, and I think puck-possession would be a much more conducive environment for a guy like Nylander.
But as far as sending something back, it would have to be meager. If there is any intrigue on the part of Holland, it would be because Nylander would be a low-risk acquisition that would cost him little. Thats the type of move that a Wings team in transition can afford. Anything else looks like too much of a risk right now.
I'm pretty sure the main thing with Nylander is the Caps want that salary off the books(as much as possible, if they can't get iot all taken, they probably will settle for some) so they can pursue other options as they are close to the salary cap but need a few pieces to compete with the Pens and probably Flyers in the East.
