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11-11-2009, 10:22 AM
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I guess this means TDMM is up for 4 picks.
And I have them.

Kirk McLean, G
Scott Gomez, C
Rick Kehoe, LW/RW
Jason Smith, D

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I have the Dev's picks. He asked that if one of the guys on his list gets picked, to skip him. Someone was picked, so he'll have to make up his final pick later. But he's proud to select:

Kirk McLean, G
Scott Gomez, C
Jason Smith, D

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Inglewood selects winger Tony Granato, and assistant coach Rudy Pilous

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I can't see the Leafs making a pitch for Giguere, if that's what you were implying.

You may be right, anyways. However, I don't think Giguere's job has really ever been threatened until now. Even in the years where Bryz and now Hiller got more than a few starts, Giguere was still the defacto number 1. Not so much this year. Anyways, I'm much more upset about him having to go public over something like this, like Heatley. No reason for that. Keep it quiet and personal, and everything would sort itself out. This is going to become a distraction for a team that is finally starting to show signs of breaking out, and for my fantasy team's sake, I hope they do!
The rumours have started about it, so we'll see, I guess.

Also, absolutely it's been challenged. Don't you remember the summer of 2006, where Bryz told Russian newspapers that the Ducks were trying very hard to trade Giguere but nobody wanted him? His job as starter has always been in question. Also, during his tenure as starter, he's always had an elite back-up, and up until these last two years the Ducks have always also had a very good goaltending prospect who appeared to be NHL-ready. Either way, there have been many times over the years where a goaltender was called up for reasons that weren't clear at the time, and many a Ducks fan thought Giguere was gone. That's just how challenged he was and how uncertain his status with the team was, that Duck fans almost expected a trade.

We also don't know how "public" he went with the comments, as we have no idea what the reporters asked him. I don't think it's like Heatley too much where he straight up said trade me right ****ing now, but more he was asked about the goaltending battle and he gave his honest opinion on the matter(note he never asked for a trade, just mentioned that someone's gotta go, which is probably true).

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Goaltender Evgeni Nabokov

Please continue with the draft while I think about my second selection.

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The rumours have started about it, so we'll see, I guess.

Also, absolutely it's been challenged. Don't you remember the summer of 2006, where Bryz told Russian newspapers that the Ducks were trying very hard to trade Giguere but nobody wanted him? His job as starter has always been in question. Also, during his tenure as starter, he's always had an elite back-up, and up until these last two years the Ducks have always also had a very good goaltending prospect who appeared to be NHL-ready. Either way, there have been many times over the years where a goaltender was called up for reasons that weren't clear at the time, and many a Ducks fan thought Giguere was gone. That's just how challenged he was and how uncertain his status with the team was, that Duck fans almost expected a trade.

We also don't know how "public" he went with the comments, as we have no idea what the reporters asked him. I don't think it's like Heatley too much where he straight up said trade me right ****ing now, but more he was asked about the goaltending battle and he gave his honest opinion on the matter(note he never asked for a trade, just mentioned that someone's gotta go, which is probably true).
You are right. Giguere hasn't had a stranglehold on the #1 job for a long time now.

Heatly didn't just say "trade me right #*#&*#& now", he also said "....but not there or there or there."

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With my remaining pick I select RW Serge Bernier

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With our 24th selection, the 741st overall in this year All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are very happy to select Mike Karakas



Nickname: Iron Mike
Height: 5'11''
Weight: 147 lbs
Position: Goaltender
Catch: Left
Date of Birth: December 12, 1911
Place of Birth: Aurora, United States
Date of Death: May 02, 1992 (Age: 80)

Stanley Cup Champion (1938)
Stanley Cup Finalist (1944)
NHL Second All-Star Team (1945)
Calder Trophy (1936)
United States Hockey Hall of Fame (1973)

Top-5 Wins (2nd, 4th, 4th, 5th)
Top-5 Shutouts (1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)
Top-5 Goals Against Average (2nd, 4th, 5th, 5th)
Calder Nomination (1st)

- Karakas is the first goaltender to introduce the now common trapper glove to the NHL
- After suffering from a broken toe in the first game of the 1938 Stanley Cup Finals against the Montreal Canadiens, he returned two games later wearing a steel-toed boot and helped the Blackhawks their second Stanley Cup in their franchise history
- In 1941, Karakas won the Calder Cup in the American Hockey League with the Providence Reds
- Inaugural inductee into the United States Hockey Hall of Fame in 1973


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Mike Karakas was the first American-born goalie to star in the NHL. He was lauded for having one of the quickest glove hands in hockey along with outstanding balance. In eight NHL seasons he recorded 28 shutouts and a goals against average of 2.82. Karakas recorded three blank sheets in the post-season and was considered at his best in key games. He handled the puck well and was always quick to credit his defence after a strong game.

He was awarded the Calder Memorial trophy after posting a 1.92 goals-against mark and nine shutouts. Two years later he recorded a pair of playoff shutouts while leading the Hawks to an unexpected Stanley Cup championship after finishing with a losing record in the regular season. This achievement was even greater considering Karakas missed the first two games with a broken toe and eventually led the Hawks to their triumph wearing a cast.

The talented Minnesotan recorded 114 career regular season wins and helped lead the way for future American born and trained goalkeepers. During his six NHL seasons he appeared in every one of Chicago's games and earned the nickname "Iron Mike". Karakas' immense contribution to the game in his native country was recognized when he was named as an original member of the United States Hockey Hall of Fame.
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Karakas joined the Chicago Blackhawks at the start of the 1935 season and proceeded to dazzle the opposition by posting a 1.92 goals against average and 9 shutouts over the 48-game season. This was more than sufficient to gain him the forerunner to the Calder Trophy as the league's top rookie. In 1938 Karakas backstopped the Hawks to a Stanley Cup victory despite an injury during the final series. He recorded two shutouts during the eight playoff games. He played with the Blackhawks into the 1940 season and ended that year with the Montreal Canadiens.

Playing the next three seasons in the American Hockey League with Providence, Karakas returned to the Hawks in 1944 and took them all the way to the Stanley Cup finals against the Montreal Canadiens. Though the Blackhawks went out in four straight games, all but the first was close and Karakas performed brilliantly.
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Alphonse Lacroix and Moe Roberts were the first American born goalies to play in the NHL, but it was Mike Karakas who became the first American-born star goalkeeper.

He used that glove hand spectacularly. It was said that Karakas had the quickest glove hand of his time. He was a maddening goalie in that he was highly inconsistent. He tended to be at his best in big games, but otherwise really struggled with consistency.

The Blackhawks didn't look like they'd last long in the 1938 playoffs, but not only did they, but they shocked the experts by beating the powerful Leafs to win the Stanley Cup. Karakas played very well in the semifinal and final, even though Karakas was forced out of the first two games of the finals with a broken toe. Alfie Moore took over and won the game. After Moore was ruled ineligible and Paul Goodman lost the second game, Karakas returned for game three and four wearing a steel toe guard and completed the storybook upset over the Leafs. Allowing only 15 goals all post-season, Karakas was very sharp, giving the Hawks their last Cup until 1961 when a new generation took over.

Karakas returned and showed improved consistency. He played the final 26 games of the 50 game schedule in 1943-44 and his great goalkeeping helped the Blackhawks into the playoffs. He had a 3.04 goals against average and three shutouts in the high-scoring NHL, which was remarkable. In the playoffs he unthinkably led another Cinderella Hawks team into the Stanley Cup finals. But this time the Montreal Canadiens were unbeatable in the playoffs, and though Karakas was good, he wasn't good enough to stop the Habs powerful attack.

The next year, Doug Bentley joined his brother Max in the armed forces and only the goalkeeping of Karakas prevented the Hawks from avoiding the cellar. That he recorded a league high 4 shutouts was miraculous, and he was selected for the second all-star team.

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With our 29th round selection and the 901st pick of the draft the Syracuse Bulldogs are proud to select ...

Danny Grant, LW

- winner of the 1969 Calder Trophy
- played in the 1969, 1970, and 1971 NHL All-Star Games
- finished top ten in NHL goals twice, 1969 and 1975
- finished top ten in NHL power play goals four times, 1969, 1970, 1971, and 1975
- finished top ten in NHL game winning goals in 1973
- finished third in All-Star voting for left wing in 1975
- winner of the 1968 Stanley Cup

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After a fine junior career with the Peterborough Petes and a season and a half in the minor leagues with the Houston Apollos, Grant made the NHL with the Montreal Canadiens in 1968, playing 22 regular season games and 10 playoff games. Grant helped Montreal win the Stanley Cup in 1968.

He was then acquired by the Minnesota North Stars, and in his 1969 rookie season with the club won the NHL's Calder Memorial Trophy as the league's most outstanding rookie player, thus becoming one of only four players who won the Stanley Cup the season before winning the Calder Trophy. He would remain a star for Minnesota for six seasons, scoring nearly thirty goals a season during his tenure.

Despite this, Grant was traded in 1974 in a surprising deal for defensive forward xxx xxxx (whose attraction to the franchise may have been that he was a Minnesota native), and the trade backfired badly: Grant had his best season that season, scoring 50 goals for the Detroit Red Wings while on a line with superstar centre Marcel Dionne, and becoming only the 12th player in NHL history to accomplish that feat. However, Grant was plagued by injuries from that point on, and only played partial seasons at best thereafter. He retired after the 1979 season to coach a Tier II junior team.

In his career, Grant notched 263 goals and 535 points while playing for the Montreal Canadiens, Minnesota North Stars, Detroit Red Wings and the Los Angeles Kings, and played in three All-Star Games (1969, 1970, 1971).
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Danny Grant played his youth hockey in his native Fredericton, but as he moved up the ranks, he noticed that Eastern Canada was isolated from the hotbeds of pro hockey and thus lacked the intense competition necessary to push his game to higher levels. As a result, he went to Ontario to play four years of Junior A with the Peterborough Petes of the OHA from 1962 to 1966.

The following year he turned pro with the Montreal Canadiens, but failed to squeeze his way into their talented lineup on a permanent basis. In 1968, the Habs traded Grant to the Minnesota North Stars. The move launched his career in a big way. By the end of his first full NHL campaign, he set rookie scoring records of the day with 34 goals and 64 points. He was rewarded with the Calder Trophy as the league's top rookie.

From there, Grant just kept moving up. In the first phase of his career, he proved to be very durable. He managed to run up a string of 566 straight games played. And although he was not a swift skater, he was strong on his blades. He was also characterized as a tough winger who was clever, worked hard and packed a swift, accurate wrist shot.

He used these attributes to remain as a steady scorer throughout his six campaigns in Minnesota. But before the start of year seven, the Stars' management wanted a shakeup of the club's roster. By the time the ice chips settled, Grant was a Detroit Red Wing skating alongside Marcel Dionne. The two players complemented each brilliantly. By the end of the 1974-75 season, Grant had potted 50 goals.

His output marked the top of his career?a height from which he rapidly tumbled. By the following season, he was struck with the first of a series of serious leg injuries. His ice time and productivity fell way off. By early 1978, the Wings were hardly using the winger any more. As a response, he requested a trade to the L.A. Kings where he rejoined Marcel Dionne on a line with rookie Dave Taylor. But the gig was short-lived. Grant's knees continued to take a battering that forced his retirement in 1979.
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Danny Grant never got the credit he deserved for being a good hockey player.

A rare NHL player from New Brunswick, he was a junior star in Peterborough. He would sign professionally in the Montreal Canadiens system, but was never able to crack the Hab's vaunted line up.

Always thinking of the future, in 1968 the Habs moved Grant to Minnesota as part of a package for the North Stars' first round pick four years later in 1972. Montreal would select xxx xxxx, who would play 350 NHL games, but only 36 with Montreal. Meanwhile, Grant became a star with the North Stars.

Grant immediately cracked the Minnesota line up, scoring a team-leading 34 goals and earning NHL rookie of the year honours in the 1968-69 season. The 34 goals became the modern day rookie record (since bettered).

Grant would continue to be a top marksman for the North Stars over the following five seasons, only once failing to notch at least 29 goals in a campaign. Though defined by his wrist shot, he was also noted as a clever and durable winger, once playing in 566 consecutive games.

Grant did have his critics. He was not the swiftest of skaters, and he had to rely of hard work rather than glitzy skill that other teams' stars seemed to have. The North Stars had some pretty weak teams back then, which probably contributed to Grant's labelling as a one-way, offense only forward.

Looking to shake up the roster, the North Stars traded Grant to Detroit in exchange for defensive forward and Minnesota native xxx xxxx. What a lop-sided trade that turned out to be. Boucha would last only one season with the North Stars. Grant, on the other hand, erupted for his best NHL season yet.

Playing along side Marcel Dionne, Grant exploded for 50 goals and 87 points. He also was lauded for his defensive effort, and even became a regular on the penalty kill unit.

Still the critics persisted. Grant's success was directly a result of playing with Dionne. Grant did call Dionne the best linemate he ever had, but Dionne also had a great respect for Grant, once calling him the "the best left winger I ever played with. He was always working, had a great shot and was always near the net."

In the summer of 1975 the Red Wings lost their superstar as Dionne headed west to Los Angeles. Grant, by now named captain of the Wings, was left without his set up man, but a far bigger blow came late in 1975 when he suffered a torn right thigh muscle requiring season ending surgery.

The injury would plague him for the rest of his days. He would come back in 1976-77, but never could find his game. He would score just twice in 42 games.

1977-78 saw Grant's wishes fulfilled as he was traded to Los Angeles. Grant had hope being reunited with Marcel Dionne could reignite his career, but the injuries still hampered his effectiveness. In two seasons in LA he was limited to 41 and 35 games, respectively, scoring just 10 times in each campaign.

Danny Grant's excellence was short lived, but exciting to witness. It is a pity that injuries decimated the career of this hard working, diligent sharp shooter.
With our 30th round selection and the 902nd pick of the draft the Syracuse Bulldogs are proud to select ...

Lowell MacDonald, LW

- winner of the 1973 Masterton Trophy
- played in the 1973 and 1974 NHL All-Star games
- finished in the top ten in NHL goals and points in 1974
- finished sixth in All-Star voting for left wing in 1975

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Lowell MacDonald began his career with the Detroit Red Wings organization during the Original Six era. First getting into an NHL game in 1961-62, MacDonald played but 46 games over four seasons with the Wings before he was traded to Toronto in a blockbuster deal.

On May 20, 1965, MacDonald was sent to the Leafs along with Marcel Pronovost, xxx xxxx, xxx xxxx, and xxx xxxx for Andy Bathgate, xxx xxxx, and xxx xxxx. MacDonald, however, never stepped on the ice at Maple Leaf Gardens, and was selected by the Los Angeles Kings in the 1967 Expansion Draft.

Playing regularly, MacDonald showed the scoring touch he had exhibited in junior. But during the Kings' training camp in Barrie, Ontario prior to the 1969-70 season, he packed his suitcase and retired, citing a manic fear of flying. After much of the season had expired, the Kings were able to convince him to report to their AHL affiliate in Springfield.

That summer, Pittsburgh claimed him from the Kings, but early into the 1970-71 season, MacDonald damaged his knee and was sidelined for virtually two seasons. The surgeries and rest did his knee a world of good, and he joined the Penguins for 1972-73, enjoying an outstanding season and winning the Masterton Trophy for his perseverance and dedication to hockey. But after four strong seasons, he injured his shoulder, and MacDonald struggled through two more painful seasons, retiring after 1977-78.

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How sure are we that it's really important to create a new thread every time one gets to 1000 posts?

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How sure are we that it's really important to create a new thread every time one gets to 1000 posts?
100%. Long threads cause problems in the board's database.

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The rumours have started about it, so we'll see, I guess.

Also, absolutely it's been challenged. Don't you remember the summer of 2006, where Bryz told Russian newspapers that the Ducks were trying very hard to trade Giguere but nobody wanted him? His job as starter has always been in question. Also, during his tenure as starter, he's always had an elite back-up, and up until these last two years the Ducks have always also had a very good goaltending prospect who appeared to be NHL-ready. Either way, there have been many times over the years where a goaltender was called up for reasons that weren't clear at the time, and many a Ducks fan thought Giguere was gone. That's just how challenged he was and how uncertain his status with the team was, that Duck fans almost expected a trade.

We also don't know how "public" he went with the comments, as we have no idea what the reporters asked him. I don't think it's like Heatley too much where he straight up said trade me right ****ing now, but more he was asked about the goaltending battle and he gave his honest opinion on the matter(note he never asked for a trade, just mentioned that someone's gotta go, which is probably true).
Hmm, you might be right. I've always been under the impression that those other guys came in just as a safety. Perhaps it is no coincidence that all this started coming to the forefront after Burke left the GM post? One thing Burke has always been known for is ensuring that each of his players has a fair chance to make an NHL roster, whether it's his own or another team's. He handled the Bryzgalov situation with a lot of class, Giguere was the starter and he wanted Bryz to have a fair chance to be a starter as well, and when he couldn't trade him, he put him on waivers for someone else to take. I honestly believe Giguere's status as the defacto number 1 has never been put into question by his own management until now. It'll take a lot of convincing to convince me otherwise.

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Hmm, you might be right. I've always been under the impression that those other guys came in just as a safety. Perhaps it is no coincidence that all this started coming to the forefront after Burke left the GM post? One thing Burke has always been known for is ensuring that each of his players has a fair chance to make an NHL roster, whether it's his own or another team's. He handled the Bryzgalov situation with a lot of class, Giguere was the starter and he wanted Bryz to have a fair chance to be a starter as well, and when he couldn't trade him, he put him on waivers for someone else to take. I honestly believe Giguere's status as the defacto number 1 has never been put into question by his own management until now. It'll take a lot of convincing to convince me otherwise.
You just said he may be right! The guy's a Ducks fan, why do you need more convincing?

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With our 29th selection, the Bettmans are happy to select as steady and consistent defensive performer who can also chip in on offense. Please welcome one of the WCHL’s best defensive defensemen....



Bobby Trapp!!!

2 x First Team All-Star (1923, 1926)
Second Team All-Star (1922)

Points – 7th(1922), 6th(1923), 6th(1924), 3rd(1925), 1st(1926)
Goals – 8th(1922), 8th(1923), 5th(1924), 8th(1925), 6th(1926)
Assists – 3rd(1922), 4th(1923), 4th(1924), 2nd(1925), 1st(1926)



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With our 30th selection, the Bettmans are pleased to add a rushing defenseman to our minor league team. Even while playing in one of the strongest eras for defensemen, this man was able to put up impressive offensive totals. Sometimes, he was unpredictable defensively, but he was always dangerous on offense....



Jim McKenny!!!

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Points – 2nd(1970), 4th(1973), 7th(1974)
Goals – 7th(1970), 9th(1974), 6th(1977)
Assists – 4th(1970), 9th(1972), 3rd(1973)

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