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11-02-2009, 06:53 AM
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I still have to crunch numbers to determine how the 2nd pairing will work, but I think Camille Henry should be viewed as one of, if not the best pp scorer on a 2nd unit.
One of Mr. Hextall or Mr. Dillon will have something to say about this.

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11-02-2009, 06:55 AM
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Might be a little off the board, but I have a meeting to get to in five and this guy will be a good fit for a fourth line regardless.

The Mooseheads select RW, Jamie Langenbrunner.

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11-02-2009, 07:15 AM
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One of Mr. Hextall or Mr. Dillon will have something to say about this.
Do you have evidence to show they were particularly effective on the powerplay? I'm doubtful Dillon ever got much pp time.

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11-02-2009, 07:20 AM
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Do you have evidence to show they were particularly effective on the powerplay? I'm doubtful Dillon ever got much pp time.
I don't have evidence that they were particularily effective on the powerplay, but nobody has evidence they weren't either.

And he probably had to somewhere, since he outscored his linemates by pretty decent margins.

Do Dillon has the pre-40 record for straight seasons with 30+ points?

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11-02-2009, 08:05 AM
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I don't know if I was part of the problem, but I absolutely wasn't part of the solution. ATD #9 left me very tired.
That was the one where GBC and I played you and FF in the second round, right?

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11-02-2009, 08:30 AM
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The Bettmans' time has elapsed. CF is on the clock, and he has been PMed.

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11-02-2009, 08:31 AM
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That was the one where GBC and I played you and FF in the second round, right?
But that was nowhere near the most intense series. That honour belonged to VI/FI2 vs. LL, with Murphy writing the series recaps. (That Murphy, such an instigator).

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11-02-2009, 08:36 AM
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But that was nowhere near the most intense series. That honour belonged to VI/FI2 vs. LL, with Murphy writing the series recaps. (That Murphy, such an instigator).
OH YEAH! That was awesome. ATD 9 was the best!

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11-02-2009, 08:39 AM
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OH YEAH! That was awesome. ATD 9 was the best!
No it wasn't. Way too much acrimony. Although it was funny to see pappy quietly assemble an incredible team. How good were the Bisons? That team might have been good enough to win a 28-team draft, yet there were 32 teams. The only team that might have been able to go seven with pappy in that draft was reckoning's team, but they went out before the match-up was able to happen.

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11-02-2009, 09:20 AM
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You two and your agreeance on everything is sickening. Very odd contrast to VanI and FI#2's entry in ATD9 where FI#2 seemed pretty pissed off a lot of the time. Those were the days, I tells ya.
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Well, they are Co-GM and both love to sell their players. I find it funnier than sickening.

And yes, I remember those days, when the ATD was a war rather than a fun experience
Haha. It's better to be friendly with your co-GM than make an enemy out of them.

We're thinking about putting Svehla with Lester Patrick, and James Patrick with Frank Patrick.

Lester - Svehla gives us a group that has two capable rushers, one of them elite at it, and Svehla will make up for any deficiencies Lester has. He was incredibly physical and very good defensively.

Frank and James Patrick is a yin yang combination. Frank's rushing ability is very underrated, and both have booming shots from the point. That pair is capable of rushing the puck down the ice into the opponent's zone, or playing a dump and chase game. While James Patrick may not necessarily have been the most physical guy, he played very good positional defense. Frank, meanwhile, used Joe Hall as a pinata. He was very physical. I think these pairs give us a solid balance throughout our D corps, with no real weaknesses present.

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11-02-2009, 09:48 AM
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I don't have evidence that they were particularily effective on the powerplay, but nobody has evidence they weren't either.
Both Hextall and Dillon are fine 2nd unit powerplay wingers, but the absence of contrary evidence does not equal positive evidence. In Henry's case, we know he performed at an extremely high level on the powerplay, in the same ballpark as guys who are top-10 ATD picks. In the case of Dillon and Hextall, we know they were excellent all-around players, but without positive evidence of such, we have no particular reason to assume that they were on Henry's level with the man advantage.

The Eel is a somewhat unique player in the ATD - a real niche specialist. He's quite limited in what he brings shift-to-shift at even strength and may always be a 4th liner in this thing (he's certainly no 3rd liner in a classic sense and as a 2nd liner I'm sure he would come under criticism), but on the powerplay, he is a superstar. Considering how little impact most ATD 4th liners ultimately have on their respective teams' fortunes, Henry's ability to dominate on a 2nd powerplay unit (where he will face many 2nd unit ATD PKs easily worse than the O6 1st unit PKs he went up against in real life) would seem to make him among the most valuable bottom line players in the draft.

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11-02-2009, 09:59 AM
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With our 20th Round Pick and the 638th overall pick of the draft the Syracuse Bulldogs are proud to select ...

Lorne Carr, RW

NHL First All-Star Team - 1943, 1944
Finished in the Top Ten in Goals four times - 1937, 1939, 1943, 1944
Finished in the Top Ten in Assists three times - 1943, 1944, 1945
Finished in the Top Ten in Points three times - 1939, 1943, 1944
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Finished fourth in Lady Byng voting - 1944
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With the "Amazing Amerks" he starred on a line with Sweeney Schriner and Art Chapman for five years, and in the 1938 playoffs he exacted sweet revenge on his old club. In the deciding game of the best-of-three series, he scored in quadruple overtime to eliminate the Rangers, though the Americans were in turn ousted in the semi-finals by Chicago.

In 1941 he was sent to Toronto, and that's where he enjoyed his greatest success during his final five years in the NHL. In the 1942 finals, the Leafs rallied from 3-0 down in games to beat the Red Wings and win the Stanley Cup, winning game seven 3-1. Carr assisted on two of the goals, scored by his long-time friend Sweeney Schriner (their linemate was xxx xxxx).

In 1945, he again was on the Cup-winning Leaf team. During his time at Maple Leaf Gardens, he led the team in scoring twice and was named to the First All-Star team twice as well. Carr retired in 1946.


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11-02-2009, 10:22 AM
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Good to see a solid SE Sask. boy, Lorne Carr, make the jump into the ATD. With 32 teams, he should be here. Yes, a lot of his accomplishments came during the war years, but he was good enough to play on a top line with New York (alongside Chapman and Schriner) and get a couple top 10 finishes in goals.

Also, there was still a lot of offensive talent in 42-43, so a fifth place finish in 43 isn't completely insignificant. (Of course, there is a question of whether he would have finished fifth if the best in the world remained in the league, since some players are going to benefit from a watered down league more than others, but that's another debate for another time).

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11-02-2009, 10:27 AM
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With our skipped pick, the Bettmans take 4th line RW - Mush March

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11-02-2009, 10:32 AM
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High scoring Lady Bing winner who modeled himself after Frank Boucher:

Clint Smith, C/LW

High PIM, great leader, decent scoring, decent D, great mustache, Bobby Clarke's choice for next Flyer's captain:

Mel Bridgman, C/LW


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A reminder that we are now on a four-hour clock.

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C/LW Clint Smith



-inducted into the HOF as a player in 1991
-Lady Bing trophies in 38-39 and 43-44
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-5 times Top 10 in points (3rd in 45-46, 4th in 38-39, 5th in 43-44, 5th in 44-45, 9th in 37-38)
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...became a key member of their 1940 Stanley Cup team. Smith won the Lady Byng Trophy for gentlemanly play in 1938-39 as a Ranger and again in 1943-44 as a member of the Chicago Black Hawks, and totaled a mere 24 penalty minutes in 483 regular season games. He played in the NHL for eleven years and was not signaled off for a penalty in four of those seasons.

In 1943-44, Smith set an NHL record by recording 49 assists in a season while playing on a line with future Hall of Famers Bill Mosienko and Doug Bentley. The line set an NHL scoring record that season with 219 total points. Smith became the first player to score into an empty net after the league had revised the rules to allow teams to pull their goalie, and he shares the NHL record for most goals in a period with four, set on March 4, 1945, against Montreal.
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"I really looked up to Frank Boucher. I enjoyed the way he played and wanted to fashion my game after him," Smith says

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C/LW Mel Bridgman



-252 goals, 449 assists, 701 points, 1625 PIM in 977 games
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-captain of New Jersey Devils 1984-87

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A scrappy centre who could be effective at both ends of the ice, Mel Bridgman played just under 1,000 games in a solid NHL career. A model of consistency, he reached the 20-goal mark six times and was often at his best in big games or the post-season.
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Bridgman was one the team's most reliable players during the transitional period of the mid-1970s to early 1980s. A model of consistency, Bridgman played nearly 1,000 games in the NHL, reaching the 20-goal mark six times, mostly as a third-line player. He was especially effective in big games, road tilts and during the playoffs.

Possessing a winning combination of grit, toughness, two-way play, leadership and intelligence, Bridgman was a clear-cut choice to succeed Bobby Clarke as Flyers captain when the Hall of Fame center became a playing assistant coach. The versatile Bridgman switched off readily between center and left wing and could anchor checking or scoring lines without missing a beat.

"He had a special determination. When Mel went after the puck, he was like a bulldog. He had his mind set. If you put a wall between him and his assignment, you would lose that wall," recalled ex-Flyers coach Pat Quinn in The Greatest Players and Moments of the Philadelphia Flyers.

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I had a hunch you would pick him. He's been on my radar for a while. Excellent goal scorer in tight. Crashes the net well. He found success playing both wings. The problem is, where does he fit? Second line LW, or a third scoring line winger? Yeah, I like him for those roles. But he's not strong defensively or physical. Doesn't bring enough to the table to play anything other than a scoring line role.

If he would have dropped to our pick in 21, we would have picked him as our 13th forward.
Same. I'd have pushed to get him as a 13th forward, particularly because he can play both wings.

Not that career totals mean much, but I'm pretty sure Bellows was the 2nd-highest-scoring player of all-time.

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As for Duchesne, I'm not a fan. I don't know if his game translates well to the ATD. I think he could be a liability, even with 15 minutes per night, against the outstanding skill that some teams possess.
To be selected this late in the draft, for a limited role? No, Duchesne is a good pick.

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If we're gonna include that in discussions we might as well knock Doug Harvey knocking the cup winner into his own net. It was a single gaffe, where he was trying to plead with the ref for a penalty, and it cost him. What's forgotten, though, is that he was phenominal that game.
Don't kid yourself. Tony Leswick put that puck exactly where he wanted to.

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11-02-2009, 11:53 AM
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Same. I'd have pushed to get him as a 13th forward, particularly because he can play both wings.

Not that career totals mean much, but I'm pretty sure Bellows was the 2nd-highest-scoring player of all-time.



To be selected this late in the draft, for a limited role? No, Duchesne is a good pick.



Don't kid yourself. Tony Leswick put that puck exactly where he wanted to.
I'm not a mind-reader, but I'm guessing that you meant to say that Bellows was the second-highest scoring Minnesota/Dallas player of all-time. Might be third, after Modano and Neal Broten. Could be second in goals after Modano. Career numbers for the post-O6teams mean something a little more than with pre-expansion players, because you generally have players working on a fairly level playing field in terms of season length.

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On the Luongo front: I really hope he isn't the "bad team goaltender." My team has 12 years and over $60 million invested in his ability to lead a team to a Cup.

Game 5 against Anaheim in 1997 should have gone down as the finest goaltending performance in franchise history. With his team's season on the line, Luongo put on a clinic. Stopped nearly 60 shots. That game should have been out-of-reach after the first period, but Luongo made several stellar saves. The Canucks were a "Jan Bulis crossbar early in the second overtime" from winning a game they should have lost 6-1 or 7-1. But our last memories are often our best, and our last memory of Luongo in that game was surrendering a terrible goal in double overtime.

Luongo was great in 2008 until after the all-star break. He was distracted. His wife gave birth to their first child back in Miami, and I believe it was a difficult pregnancy. His mind was far from the game.

He struggled at times against Chicago in last year's playoffs. Granted, his team pulled an el foldo in the waning moments of Game 4, and then in Games 5 and 6. With the team's season on the line in Game 6, Luongo had his worst game of the season, but the Canucks as a whole had their worst defensive game of the year in Game 6.

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I'm not a mind-reader, but I'm guessing that you meant to say that Bellows was the second-highest scoring Minnesota/Dallas player of all-time. Might be third, after Modano and Neal Broten. Could be second in goals after Modano. Career numbers for the post-O6teams mean something a little more than with pre-expansion players, because you generally have players working on a fairly level playing field in terms of season length.
No, I meant to say Bellows was the second highest-scoring availalable player.

I just woke up.

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No, I meant to say Bellows was the second highest-scoring availalable player.

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Even that don't make sense

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