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04-12-2004, 12:09 AM
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WORSE Draft 1st Rounder Ever?

This is probably the worse 1st Round Draft year EVER!
I think 1999 produced some bad 1st rounders
1st - Patrik Stefan - BUST
2nd - Daniel Sedin - Descent, underachieving
3rd - Henrik Sedin - Descent, underachieving
4th - Pavel Brendl - BUST
5th - Connolly - Not to good
6th - Brain Finley - Never even heard of him
7th - Kris Beech - He's done nothing
8th - Taylor Pyatt - it looked like he was gonna be pretty good but now he's going downhill
9th - Jamie Lundmark - Still Got Faith, but he hasnt done much
10th Branislav Mezei - Could be descent but yet to done anything
11th - Oleg Saprykin - Descent 2nd line winger
12th - Denis Shvdiki - Struggling to even crack the panthers lineup
13th Jani Rita - I Believe he can be could but who knows hes only played 13games
14th - Jeff Jillson - Meh, 4th defenseman nothing special
15th - Scott Kelman - Never head of the guy
16th - David Tanabe - hes done Jack all, but could become a descent 4th dman
17th - Barret Jackman - Good but not great, did win Calder though
18th - Konstantin Koltsov - FAST pretty good
19th - Kiril Safronov - has played 35 games, CONGRATULATIONS
20th - Barret Heisten - Ouch, all i have to say
21st - Nick Boynton - hes good
22nd - Maxime Ouellet - Good Upside hopefully takes over Olaf
23rd - Steve Mccarthy - i like him but he isnt doing much
24th - Luca Cereda - This guy isnt even worth talking about
25th - Mihail Kuleshov - 3rd line is his what Colorado is hoping
26th - Martin Havlat - Good, very good
27th - Ari Ahonen - hes alright but Brodeur is in New Jersey for Life
28th - Kristian Kudroc - Digusting!

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I don't know, 1996 wasn't a gem either: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1996e.html

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1996 was beyond godawful.

Craig Hillier... :mad:

At least we got Ric Jackman eventually...

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Christ, 1996 makes me want to rip out my eyeballs and eat them for dinner

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1996... possibly the worst draft in sports history.

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Let's do Toronto's 1996 picks :

#36 - Marek Posmyk. Who? Exactly
#50 - Francis Larivee. AHL-IHL-ECHL. How's that for a promotion
#66 - Mike Lankshear. He's playing in Britain. Jolly good.
#68 - Konstantin Kalmikov. Managed 47 points in 65 games this year...in the ECHL
#86 - Jason Sessa. Jason Spezza without the talent, looks, money, luck or team.
#103 - Vladimir Antipov. Last played last year, came out of Russia for a cup of coffee then went back to the motherland
#110 - Peter Cava - CAVALANCHE!
#111 - Brandon Sugden - He's in the AHL right now. Yippee
#140 - Dmitry Yakushin - Managed to play 2 games in the NHL. Caused a craze in Leaf Nation, resulting in everyone buying his jersey, then trading it in for Hoglund and Belak jerseys.
#148 - Chris Bogas. Viva La Italiano!
#151 - Lucio DeMartinis. Last played in the 20th century
#178 - Reggie Berg. Wtf^ mate?
#204 - Tomas Kaberle. Holy crap, I forgot he was drafted in 1996
#230 - Jared Hope. Brother of Faith, Destiny and Triumph.

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1996...

1. Chris Phillips
2. Andrei Zyuzin
3. J.P. Dumont
4. Alexandre Volchkov
5. Richard Jackman
6. Boyd Devereaux
7. Erik Rasmussen
8. Johnathan Aitken
9. Ruslan Salei
10. Lance Ward
11. Dan Focht
12. Josh Holden
13. Derek Morris
14. Marty Reasoner
15. Dainius Zubrus
16. Mario Larocque
17. Jaroslav Svejkovsky
18. Matt Higgins
19. Matthieu Descoteaux
20. Marcus Nilson
21. Marco Sturm
22. Jeff Brown
23. Craig Hillier
24. Daniel Briere
25. Peter Ratchuk
26. Jesse Wallin
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43. Jan Bulis
49. Colin White
56. Zdeno Chara
59. Tom Poti
65. Oleg Kvasha
79. Mark Parrish
89. Toni Lydman
136. Andreas Dackell
139. Robert Esche
179. Pavel Kubina
199. Willie Mitchell
204. Tomas Kaberle
239. Sami Salo

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The 1996 draft takes the cake.



1 Ottawa -Chris Phillips- Not a bust, a great defenceman but not a good first overall pick.
2 San Jose -Andrei Zyuzin- Has bounced around, had a decent year, but nothing special.
3 NY Islanders -J.P. Dumont- A 20 goal scorer, nothing more.
4 Washington- Alexandre Volchkov- Absolutely terrible. Played around 4 games in the league.
5 Dallas- Richard Jackman- If not for expansion, he wouldn't be in the league.
6 Edmonton- Boyd Devereaux- A fourth liner, nothing more.
7 Buffalo- Erik Rasmussen- See Devereaux.
8 Boston - Johnathan Aitken- Same as Jackman, but worse.
9 Anaheim - Ruslan Salei- A solid top four defenceman, nothing else.
10 New Jersey- Lance Ward- He re-entered, and has done nothing.
11 Phoenix - Dan Focht- See Aitken.
12 Vancouver - Josh Holden- Has done nothing in the NHL, everything in the AHL.
13 Calgary - Derek Morris- Probably the best player in the first round, had a bad year.
14 St. Louis - Marty Reasoner- A solid third/fourth liner.
15 Philadelphia - Dainius Zubrus- Has played several seasons, without ever really progressing.
16 Tampa Bay - Mario Larocque- 5 games in the NHL, not even an AHLer anymore.
17 Washington - Jaroslav Svejkovsky- Hasn't been heard from since 2001
18 Mtl. Canadiens - Matt Higgins- 1 career NHL goal, 3 career points.
19 Edmonton Matthieu Descoteaux- See Larocque
20 Florida - Marcus Nilson - A third/fourth liner.
21 San Jose - Marco Sturm- Maybe the best forward in the first round.
22 NY Rangers - Jeff Brown- Forget the NHL, he's only even played 18 career AHL games.
23 Pittsburgh - Craig Hillier- Hasn't played in the AHL since 00, back this year after short retirement, he's in the CHL/UHL.
24 Phoenix - Daniel Briere- A great scorer, he and Sturm are the best forwards.
25 Colorado - Peter Ratchuk- 2 career NHL points, now in Germany.
26 Detroit - Jesse Wallin- 49 NHL games, no points.

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The 1996 draft takes the cake.



1 Ottawa -Chris Phillips- Not a bust, a great defenceman but not a good first overall pick.
2 San Jose -Andrei Zyuzin- Has bounced around, had a decent year, but nothing special.
3 NY Islanders -J.P. Dumont- A 20 goal scorer, nothing more.
4 Washington- Alexandre Volchkov- Absolutely terrible. Played around 4 games in the league.
5 Dallas- Richard Jackman- If not for expansion, he wouldn't be in the league.
6 Edmonton- Boyd Devereaux- A fourth liner, nothing more.
7 Buffalo- Erik Rasmussen- See Devereaux.
8 Boston - Johnathan Aitken- Same as Jackman, but worse.
9 Anaheim - Ruslan Salei- A solid top four defenceman, nothing else.
10 New Jersey- Lance Ward- He re-entered, and has done nothing.
11 Phoenix - Dan Focht- See Aitken.
12 Vancouver - Josh Holden- Has done nothing in the NHL, everything in the AHL.
13 Calgary - Derek Morris- Probably the best player in the first round, had a bad year.
14 St. Louis - Marty Reasoner- A solid third/fourth liner.
15 Philadelphia - Dainius Zubrus- Has played several seasons, without ever really progressing.
16 Tampa Bay - Mario Larocque- 5 games in the NHL, not even an AHLer anymore.
17 Washington - Jaroslav Svejkovsky- Hasn't been heard from since 2001
18 Mtl. Canadiens - Matt Higgins- 1 career NHL goal, 3 career points.
19 Edmonton Matthieu Descoteaux- See Larocque
20 Florida - Marcus Nilson - A third/fourth liner.
21 San Jose - Marco Sturm- Maybe the best forward in the first round.
22 NY Rangers - Jeff Brown- Forget the NHL, he's only even played 18 career AHL games.
23 Pittsburgh - Craig Hillier- Hasn't played in the AHL since 00, back this year after short retirement, he's in the CHL/UHL.
24 Phoenix - Daniel Briere- A great scorer, he and Sturm are the best forwards.
25 Colorado - Peter Ratchuk- 2 career NHL points, now in Germany.
26 Detroit - Jesse Wallin- 49 NHL games, no points.
Your underrated Dumont.Dumont and Briere are easily the best offensive forwards from this draft.

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Your underrated Dumont.Dumont and Briere are easily the best offensive forwards from this draft.
I'll take Kvasha, Sturm, and Parrish anyday over Dumont.

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I'll take Kvasha, Sturm, and Parrish anyday over Dumont.
Not Kvasha or Parrish necessarily, but Sturm is a much better player than Dumont. Roughly equal offensively, but their all-round ability is not comparable. When Sturm got hurt, it was a huge deal, becuase he was maybe their second best forward after Marleau. On the second seeded Sharks, he's their second best forward. I don't think Dumont is the second best forward on Buffalo. Satan and Briere are defenitely better, Drury and arguably Hecht as well.

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Not Kvasha or Parrish necessarily, but Sturm is a much better player than Dumont. Roughly equal offensively, but their all-round ability is not comparable. When Sturm got hurt, it was a huge deal, becuase he was maybe their second best forward after Marleau. On the second seeded Sharks, he's their second best forward. I don't think Dumont is the second best forward on Buffalo. Satan and Briere are defenitely better, Drury and arguably Hecht as well.


I don't see Sturm as good offensively.Sturm has never reached 50 points,something Dumont has done twice.

And Kvasha?Are you kidding?

Kvasha's career year of 51 points is 2 less the Dumonts (Kvasha also played 4 more games)

Oleg is more of a 30 point forward.Before this year Kvasha scored more then 28 points once.Parrish is even more streaky then Dumont(That's bad)

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I would call 1999 as being easily the most disappointing draft. But 1996 is the worst. At least that's how I see it.

1999 will have a couple of nice enough players in it. Talented guys but not main guys. A lot of the calls from the initiator of this thread (#2) are typical misreads going by the latest trends.

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Vancouver's 1996 draft:

12 C Josh Holden - Career AHLer
75 D Zenith Komarniski - Career AHLer
93 R Jonas Soling - WHO?
121 R Tyler Prosofsky - WHO?
147 G Nolan McDonald - WHO?
175 D Clint Cabana - WHO?
201 C Jeff Scissons - WHO?
227 C Lubomir Vaic - WHO?


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I would call 1999 as being easily the most disappointing draft. But 1996 is the worst. At least that's how I see it.

1999 will have a couple of nice enough players in it. Talented guys but not main guys. A lot of the calls from the initiator of this thread (#2) are typical misreads going by the latest trends.
Agreed. Some of those overviews just didn't come close to the mark.

You can go through any draft (good and bad years) and see just how much of a crap-shoot it really is. Higher picks that falter and lower picks that become good NHLers. Good or bad scouting, even a team's developmental process can't explain it all away. I think each team knows that though, it happens when you draft a bunch of teenagers. Just don't know exactly how they will mature.

At least that's how I see it.

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I don't see Sturm as good offensively.Sturm has never reached 50 points,something Dumont has done twice.
Sturm was on pace for 53 points before he got hurt.

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The Sedins a progressing nicely.. Daniel got 54 pts I believe and Henrik (who was injured for a while) got 42.

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This is probably the worse 1st Round Draft year EVER!
I think 1999 produced some bad 1st rounders
1st - Patrik Stefan - BUST
9th - Jamie Lundmark - Still Got Faith, but he hasnt done much
Patrick Stefan made the NHL after being drafted. He has 350 games under his belt and got 153 points. Sure he isn't isn't like the other Atlanta superstars, but is pretty decent. He ain't no bust and I think that he will turn his carrer around in 2-3 years.

Lundmark has 29 points in 111 games. The next time you label Stefan a as bust take a look at your own horses.

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Wow! 1996 is absolutely aweful. What exactly would cause this draft to produce so many aweful players? Also, 1989 is no prize draft either. There are a share of nobodies in that draft too, though not nearly as bad as '96, and possibly even '99.

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Patrick Stefan made the NHL after being drafted. He has 350 games under his belt and got 153 points. Sure he isn't isn't like the other Atlanta superstars, but is pretty decent. He ain't no bust and I think that he will turn his carrer around in 2-3 years.

Lundmark has 29 points in 111 games. The next time you label Stefan a as bust take a look at your own horses.


Yup.How do you not call Lundmark a bust but Brendl is?Must be a Ranger fan because Lundmark has definitely disappointed.


Sturm was on pace,but you have to take injuries in account.I think Sturm is the most complete forward in the draft but the best offensive ones in my mind are Briere and Dumont.(And not because they play for Buffalo...Briere has proven he can get 60+ points and Dumont can get 50+ points.)

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I don't see Sturm as good offensively.Sturm has never reached 50 points,something Dumont has done twice.

And Kvasha?Are you kidding?

Kvasha's career year of 51 points is 2 less the Dumonts (Kvasha also played 4 more games)

Oleg is more of a 30 point forward.Before this year Kvasha scored more then 28 points once.Parrish is even more streaky then Dumont(That's bad)
Sturm may not be better offensively (roughly equal) but he's way more consistent, and a vastly superior all-round player.

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Zubrus is one of the better players from that first round. Which isn't saying much.


I think he's one of the biggest defenses against bringing up youngsters right away. He should have spent more time in the minors working on a scoring touch and playing sound defense, instead of jumping up to Philly right away.


He plays solid for Washington when he plays, but is very inconsistent. He'll eventually work his way into a pretty good defensive 2 way center, who could shadow other teams top centers, and put pressure driving to the net.

Till he got hurt this season, many Caps officials felt he was poised for a breakout season. Especially after his improved play last season. (near the end) he was even deemed untouchable, partially for his hard work, but also his upside prior to his getting hurt.


Marco Sturm is probably the best out of that bunch.


And, yuck, Volchkov brings bad thoughts to my mind.

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Sturm may not be better offensively (roughly equal) but he's way more consistent, and a vastly superior all-round player.
I agree completely but Dumont rounded out his game big time this year. His effort is much more consistant as is his physical play and defense. IMO the forwards from that draft go...

Sturm (most complete)
Briere (best offensive player but weak defensively)
Dumont (second most complete)



Hopefully I don't come off as too much of a homer but that's genuinely how I feel it breaks down.

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Patrick Stefan made the NHL after being drafted. He has 350 games under his belt and got 153 points. Sure he isn't isn't like the other Atlanta superstars, but is pretty decent. He ain't no bust and I think that he will turn his carrer around in 2-3 years.

Lundmark has 29 points in 111 games. The next time you label Stefan a as bust take a look at your own horses.
Stefan is a bust,yes he played right after being drafted, but if you are drafted 1st overall there is a HIGH expectation that you will be playing right out of junior. Patrik Stefan is a 2nd line centre right now on Atlanta but on any other team is a 3rd line centre which is dissappointing for a 1st overall

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